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  • Woofdog
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    Originally posted by orlandofed5-0 View Post
    Not quite. When I was in DC we had authority via a federal legislation which allowed us to directly enforce DC laws rather than going to the magistrate court which we did when I was at Walter Reed. Also several bases use state citations (Great Lakes and NWS Charleston). I know NWS Charleston recieves authority and are sworn in as reserve officers.

    Orlandofed,

    The District is different, since it's a creation of the Federal government and is ultimately controlled & budgeted by the U.S. Congress.

    In other places, if a base cop is deputized as a local officer with state authority, he or she issues the citation under his state authority, and not under any DoD authority to issue state citations (which doesn't exist). That's the reason for state deputation.

    I'm a stickler for legal accuracy.

    Mea Culpa.
    Last edited by Woofdog; 11-10-2008, 08:20 AM.

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  • orlandofed5-0
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    DoN police don't have the authority to enforce state law. Period.
    Not quite. When I was in DC we had authority via a federal legislation which allowed us to directly enforce DC laws rather than going to the magistrate court which we did when I was at Walter Reed. Also several bases use state citations (Great Lakes and NWS Charleston). I know NWS Charleston recieves authority and are sworn in as reserve officers.

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  • Woofdog
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    Originally posted by watcher82 View Post
    Well it does happen, I know of 2 DON police departments that enforce state law, as well as UCMJ and some federal law (mostly trespassing). Well its been awhile, I know during the big realignment deal a lot of people jumped ship, as big those of rank (captains and above) don’t like civilians telling them what to do. Things could have changed, I’ll have to make a phone call and check. I think its sad how most series 0083 officer are treated, they need to all come together and fight for at least LEO retirement. I know of agencies that do a lot less LEO work and get it... sad indeed.
    DoN police don't have the authority to enforce state law. Period.

    Under the Assimilative Crimes Act, a base commander may "assimilate" the criminal and traffic laws of the surrounding state, but if that happens, those laws become military and federal laws, and are enforced and tried in court as such. Not as state laws.

    Let's be accurate.

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  • smk99
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    Originally posted by phillyrube View Post
    Just a note, we grabbed the shooter. 16 year old kid from P-town.
    And I love the motive. No place safer than family housing.... well maybe section 8 is a little safer.

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  • phillyrube
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    Just a note, we grabbed the shooter. 16 year old kid from P-town.

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  • inveich
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    Well, there is one thing MP companys love to do, at 1630, right before end of day formation. Lay out the connex. inventory it, and pack it back up, in 15 minutes or less, so you can be at formation 15 minutes early, while the 1SG is chilling in his office
    And heck, we had to go to wal mart to get our own cleaning equiptment also. And that was only a year ago

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  • Bearcat357
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    Originally posted by inveich View Post

    And bearcat, I disagree with B, you can't really train with no money
    Sure you can.....go to an empty field....have your junior team members grab night sticks (brooms work well for the 11B folks)....and walk around said field like you are doing convoy escorts and other things.....for hours on end because you have nothing else to do.....

    Why no weapons...? Because we had no funds to buy supplies to clean them....so they only came out a few times a year....or if you had to use your pistol on the road......

    Nothing like going to Wal-Fart to buy your own cleaning equipment.....and yes folks, it got that bad during the Clinton years......

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  • inveich
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    The following comment is not biased in any way and is seen by an MP trying to look into big army's eyes and figure something out.

    Honestly, I see severance packages coming down for a lot of people. IF we get out of Iraq in 16 months like our glorious leader to be (I can still be sarcastic as he's not my CiC yet) says he is going to do, then I see the Army, as well as some other forces, cutting a lot of DA out of the loop. At least in some of the larger posts. It is not cost effective (and here soon the army is going to have to be as cost effective as possible) to have DA Police when there are 4 MP companys from the MP brigade, an MP platoon in all 4 brigades under 2 divisions, another MP platoon under a BCT from a different division, It doesn't make sense. However, it is REALLY hard to fire a gvt emplloyee, so if your not term when we're done in Iraq, I think your going to be given a check, and sent on your way.

    Now for my opionioin from me and no others.
    Do I think this is a great idea? I think it is an...idea, neither good nor bad, as I see it pretty much either way. DA is good because they are continuous, they know the problem areas, problem people in their areas, etc. With MP's, its 1 month Red (road time) 1 month amber (fixing broke things, taskings, etc.) and 1 month green cycle (field/training)

    And bearcat, I disagree with B, you can't really train with no money

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  • Bearcat357
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    Originally posted by Phil Dodson View Post
    > the only concern I see is when we start downsizing from overseas and all the SF, MPs begin to fill up stateside, do you see them downsizing the civilian side again?
    A. It's hard as hell to fire a US GOV Employee......so that would be a huge issue. Especially, since the rank and file folks belong to the union.

    B. It will give MPs more chances to train on core subjects and keep ready for deployments.....as they will not go away.....whether it's into a combat zone or if it's going to train with a Foreign Country.....

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  • Phil Dodson
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    > the only concern I see is when we start downsizing from overseas and all the SF, MPs begin to fill up stateside, do you see them downsizing the civilian side again?

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  • Unit453
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    Originally posted by DACP View Post
    As I recall the date on the "old" AR 190-56 is dated like 1988 (?) so I would have to say they were there then, not in large numbers but there were a few I am sure.
    Fort Drum's had them since the 70's. They were called "federals" by everyone there up until the mass hiring each installation did in 2004.

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  • watcher82
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    Well it does happen, I know of 2 DON police departments that enforce state law, as well as UCMJ and some federal law (mostly trespassing). Well its been awhile, I know during the big realignment deal a lot of people jumped ship, as big those of rank (captains and above) don’t like civilians telling them what to do. Things could have changed, I’ll have to make a phone call and check. I think its sad how most series 0083 officer are treated, they need to all come together and fight for at least LEO retirement. I know of agencies that do a lot less LEO work and get it... sad indeed.

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  • DACP
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    Originally posted by equinox137 View Post
    Maybe, but I'd never heard of civilian officers policing the military during my term of service (1991-1997), at least not the Army.
    As I recall the date on the "old" AR 190-56 is dated like 1988 (?) so I would have to say they were there then, not in large numbers but there were a few I am sure.

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  • phillyrube
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    Originally posted by DODvsDON View Post
    Understood

    Like any where else there are always a few bad apples. Unfortunately NAB has had a few highly publicized incidents lately.
    When base PD was out and about in housing areas, crime was low, juveniles in check, and we worked quite well with them. We had a mini precinct in the old Carper Housing off Princess Anne Rd. Half the time they provided a breath tech for DUIs. Now they have been demoted to gate guards. Not your fault, we realize that, and the officers on base are just as frustrated at not being able to do police work, as we are in having call volumes increase and the military members in housing being abandoned. That is the real crime here.

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  • Bearcat357
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    Originally posted by equinox137 View Post
    Maybe, but I'd never heard of civilian officers policing the military during my term of service (1991-1997), at least not the Army.

    Has it been a Navy thing???
    We had a couple in Hawaii and a couple @ Fort Stewart when I was in on the Army side of the house....

    At Pearl Harbor, that seemed to be (at the time) what it was.....mostly all DON Civilian Police with a few military folks mixed in...... Most of the other Navy places in the Islands used DON Police exclusively......

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