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  • #31
    Originally posted by DODvsDON View Post
    It is a shame you have that opinion of NAB. Can you point out any specific instances that lead you to this opinion? It is true NAB does not deal with serious criminal activity on a daily basis. Over time this can dull an officer’s skills. For the most part NAB can deal with almost any criminal activity professionally and effectively.

    Please try and judge officers by their individual actions. Don’t judge every officer in a department solely on the policies of management.
    Brother, that wasn't directed at the officers at the LCPP... It was directed at the quality of the sailors / marines on NAB and it its formally assigned housing areas. Great example is the theft of the weapons from ACU2, and the way the command has "punished" the members involved. Just not something that would make anyone proud about the quality of some of our service members.

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    • #32
      Understood

      Like any where else there are always a few bad apples. Unfortunately NAB has had a few highly publicized incidents lately.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by equinox137 View Post
        Maybe, but I'd never heard of civilian officers policing the military during my term of service (1991-1997), at least not the Army.

        Has it been a Navy thing???

        I think the army used them at small posts and depots. I know Walter Reed (where I was employed) had them since the mid 80's.

        I know the navy has had them since the 60's at some bases. Philly shipyard was one of the orginal baes to have them.
        I don't answer recruitment messages....

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        • #34
          Originally posted by equinox137 View Post
          Maybe, but I'd never heard of civilian officers policing the military during my term of service (1991-1997), at least not the Army.

          Has it been a Navy thing???
          We had a couple in Hawaii and a couple @ Fort Stewart when I was in on the Army side of the house....

          At Pearl Harbor, that seemed to be (at the time) what it was.....mostly all DON Civilian Police with a few military folks mixed in...... Most of the other Navy places in the Islands used DON Police exclusively......

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          • #35
            Originally posted by DODvsDON View Post
            Understood

            Like any where else there are always a few bad apples. Unfortunately NAB has had a few highly publicized incidents lately.
            When base PD was out and about in housing areas, crime was low, juveniles in check, and we worked quite well with them. We had a mini precinct in the old Carper Housing off Princess Anne Rd. Half the time they provided a breath tech for DUIs. Now they have been demoted to gate guards. Not your fault, we realize that, and the officers on base are just as frustrated at not being able to do police work, as we are in having call volumes increase and the military members in housing being abandoned. That is the real crime here.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by equinox137 View Post
              Maybe, but I'd never heard of civilian officers policing the military during my term of service (1991-1997), at least not the Army.
              As I recall the date on the "old" AR 190-56 is dated like 1988 (?) so I would have to say they were there then, not in large numbers but there were a few I am sure.
              It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.

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              • #37
                Well it does happen, I know of 2 DON police departments that enforce state law, as well as UCMJ and some federal law (mostly trespassing). Well its been awhile, I know during the big realignment deal a lot of people jumped ship, as big those of rank (captains and above) don’t like civilians telling them what to do. Things could have changed, I’ll have to make a phone call and check. I think its sad how most series 0083 officer are treated, they need to all come together and fight for at least LEO retirement. I know of agencies that do a lot less LEO work and get it... sad indeed.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by DACP View Post
                  As I recall the date on the "old" AR 190-56 is dated like 1988 (?) so I would have to say they were there then, not in large numbers but there were a few I am sure.
                  Fort Drum's had them since the 70's. They were called "federals" by everyone there up until the mass hiring each installation did in 2004.

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                  • #39
                    > the only concern I see is when we start downsizing from overseas and all the SF, MPs begin to fill up stateside, do you see them downsizing the civilian side again?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Phil Dodson View Post
                      > the only concern I see is when we start downsizing from overseas and all the SF, MPs begin to fill up stateside, do you see them downsizing the civilian side again?
                      A. It's hard as hell to fire a US GOV Employee......so that would be a huge issue. Especially, since the rank and file folks belong to the union.

                      B. It will give MPs more chances to train on core subjects and keep ready for deployments.....as they will not go away.....whether it's into a combat zone or if it's going to train with a Foreign Country.....

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                      • #41
                        The following comment is not biased in any way and is seen by an MP trying to look into big army's eyes and figure something out.

                        Honestly, I see severance packages coming down for a lot of people. IF we get out of Iraq in 16 months like our glorious leader to be (I can still be sarcastic as he's not my CiC yet) says he is going to do, then I see the Army, as well as some other forces, cutting a lot of DA out of the loop. At least in some of the larger posts. It is not cost effective (and here soon the army is going to have to be as cost effective as possible) to have DA Police when there are 4 MP companys from the MP brigade, an MP platoon in all 4 brigades under 2 divisions, another MP platoon under a BCT from a different division, It doesn't make sense. However, it is REALLY hard to fire a gvt emplloyee, so if your not term when we're done in Iraq, I think your going to be given a check, and sent on your way.

                        Now for my opionioin from me and no others.
                        Do I think this is a great idea? I think it is an...idea, neither good nor bad, as I see it pretty much either way. DA is good because they are continuous, they know the problem areas, problem people in their areas, etc. With MP's, its 1 month Red (road time) 1 month amber (fixing broke things, taskings, etc.) and 1 month green cycle (field/training)

                        And bearcat, I disagree with B, you can't really train with no money
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by inveich View Post

                          And bearcat, I disagree with B, you can't really train with no money
                          Sure you can.....go to an empty field....have your junior team members grab night sticks (brooms work well for the 11B folks)....and walk around said field like you are doing convoy escorts and other things.....for hours on end because you have nothing else to do.....

                          Why no weapons...? Because we had no funds to buy supplies to clean them....so they only came out a few times a year....or if you had to use your pistol on the road......

                          Nothing like going to Wal-Fart to buy your own cleaning equipment.....and yes folks, it got that bad during the Clinton years......

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                          • #43
                            Well, there is one thing MP companys love to do, at 1630, right before end of day formation. Lay out the connex. inventory it, and pack it back up, in 15 minutes or less, so you can be at formation 15 minutes early, while the 1SG is chilling in his office
                            And heck, we had to go to wal mart to get our own cleaning equiptment also. And that was only a year ago
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                            • #44
                              Just a note, we grabbed the shooter. 16 year old kid from P-town.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by phillyrube View Post
                                Just a note, we grabbed the shooter. 16 year old kid from P-town.
                                And I love the motive. No place safer than family housing.... well maybe section 8 is a little safer.

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