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  • #16
    Originally posted by phillyrube View Post
    SMK described this can of worms pretty well. Base PDs used to patrol these areas, and in some cases had satellite offices in place. Crime was pretty well non-existent, with the exception of some juvenile issues, and the normal domestics. Most had very effective bike patrols. Local PD had concurrent jurisdiction, as they did. In 2005, all military police were pulled behind the gates, and the housing management went to a contractor. Housing areas, formally nice, are fast becoming slums. Local PD cannot enforce most traffic violations, as the streets are government owned. We also cannot enforce things like junk vehilces, broken windows, and other things that the concept of community policing address. Subsequently, where you had some control over the residents living there ( a fast call to the CO does wonders), now you have none. The Navy, MY NAVY, has really screwed the pooch on this one.

    Ride to Langley AFB, or Ft Eustis, and you'll find very professional military law enforcement patrolling the housing areas. So in my case, I have 3 housing areas dumped into my precinct patrol zones, with no increase in manning. Career military members, who are used to living in base housing that is safe and well maintained now have to contend with resdients who no longer give a damn, the boon of Section 8 landlords.
    Yea man, you really got a bad end of the stick. The only place that has it worse off is Norfolk's 2nd. They got all of the scum housing areas. Thankfully they worked hard to clean up the areas around the family housing so they don't have such a hard job, but it is sliding down hill.

    Now its just my opinion, but the folks at NAB have always been of a lower standard than almost anywhere else.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by J2H View Post
      Most LE on most bases is going contractor, at least for the AF. We still do Gates and LE/Sec at Charleston, so we respond first, then call the local boys if need be
      Aren't there 0083 Police on your base now?
      "An excuse is worse and more terrible than a lie, for an excuse is a lie guarded."

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      • #18
        Off post/base housing has always been a battle of who's gonna respond or who can respond...It never made sense to me...I had a ton of deputy friends back in the day who used to ask me, "why cant you guys respond out there? Its your property and your people?" This was all before they all went privatized.

        Just another reason why I had to get the flock away from the system...

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        • #19
          COuld be, I been in Iraq for the last 8months. I'm trying for Palace Chase as soon as I get back so I can go Guard and get a cop job.
          Former Police Officer (Injured LOD)
          USAF VETERAN 2004-2012
          "The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day."-LTC Grossman
          Emergency Services Dispatcher, APG MD

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          • #20
            "Walter A. Brown Jr., 17, of the 1600 block of Elm Avenue in Portsmouth, is wanted on charges of murder, attempted robbery, use of a firearm in commission of a felony, possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and conspiracy to violate the drug act. He is charged in connection with the death of Marcus L. Clayton, 44, of Virginia Beach.

            Clayton was found shot on the pavement in the 5000 block of Gela Drive, in a military housing complex next to the amphibious base. "

            This is just a taste of what goes on in the housing areas now... I know there will be more to come.

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            • #21
              DoN Civilian Police SHOULD be allowed to handle these areas. It is there property. It will take something really bad to happen before anything changes. I have been with DoN as a civilian police officer now for only a couple months, and i am already seeing that the Navy is way behind when it comes to LE. Big Navy is so worried about liability issues it seems. Well then what is the point of hiring CIVILIANS to do LE work if they are going to be treated like just some average Master-at-Arms? I say provide these officers training that is up to par (at least up to par with FLETC training), "swear" all DoN/DoA Civilian Police Officers in, and let them be police officers.
              "...Uncommon Valor was a common virtue."-- Adm. Chester A. Nimitz

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              • #22
                Originally posted by jarhead50 View Post
                DoN Civilian Police SHOULD be allowed to handle these areas. It is there property. It will take something really bad to happen before anything changes. I have been with DoN as a civilian police officer now for only a couple months, and i am already seeing that the Navy is way behind when it comes to LE. Big Navy is so worried about liability issues it seems. Well then what is the point of hiring CIVILIANS to do LE work if they are going to be treated like just some average Master-at-Arms? I say provide these officers training that is up to par (at least up to par with FLETC training), "swear" all DoN/DoA Civilian Police Officers in, and let them be police officers.
                Will never happen, it takes away the authority of the generals and admirals they like the whole authority thing. And what officer wants to give his authority to a civilian?
                It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.

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                • #23
                  they can still have their "authority" to enforce/maintain good order and discipline over the active duty folks, and give "us" the authority to maintain good order and discipline over everyone else. right?
                  "...Uncommon Valor was a common virtue."-- Adm. Chester A. Nimitz

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                  • #24
                    That is all a good plan, but, unfortunately, it will never happen. Under the UCMJ commanders are charged to maintain good order and discipline over the installation, not just active duty members.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by DACP View Post
                      Will never happen, it takes away the authority of the generals and admirals they like the whole authority thing. And what officer wants to give his authority to a civilian?
                      Which is why I continue to say that the concept of the military employing civilian police officers is not going to last...
                      "First of all, then we have to say the American public overwhelmingly voted for socialism when they elected President Obama." - Al Sharpton, March 21, 2010

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by equinox137 View Post
                        Which is why I continue to say that the concept of the military employing civilian police officers is not going to last...
                        But it has lasted for over 30 years!
                        I don't answer recruitment messages....

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by equinox137 View Post
                          Which is why I continue to say that the concept of the military employing civilian police officers is not going to last...
                          As long as it works untill I hit retirement, then I could care less.
                          It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by orlandofed5-0 View Post
                            But it has lasted for over 30 years!
                            Maybe, but I'd never heard of civilian officers policing the military during my term of service (1991-1997), at least not the Army.

                            Has it been a Navy thing???
                            Last edited by equinox137; 09-28-2008, 01:23 PM.
                            "First of all, then we have to say the American public overwhelmingly voted for socialism when they elected President Obama." - Al Sharpton, March 21, 2010

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                            • #29
                              Duplicate post
                              Last edited by equinox137; 09-28-2008, 01:48 AM.
                              "First of all, then we have to say the American public overwhelmingly voted for socialism when they elected President Obama." - Al Sharpton, March 21, 2010

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by smk99 View Post
                                Yea man, you really got a bad end of the stick. The only place that has it worse off is Norfolk's 2nd. They got all of the scum housing areas. Thankfully they worked hard to clean up the areas around the family housing so they don't have such a hard job, but it is sliding down hill.

                                Now its just my opinion, but the folks at NAB have always been of a lower standard than almost anywhere else.

                                It is a shame you have that opinion of NAB. Can you point out any specific instances that lead you to this opinion? It is true NAB does not deal with serious criminal activity on a daily basis. Over time this can dull an officer’s skills. For the most part NAB can deal with almost any criminal activity professionally and effectively.

                                Please try and judge officers by their individual actions. Don’t judge every officer in a department solely on the policies of management.

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