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    Is there anyone on here that can shed some light on the possibility of FPS Police taking over or absorbing the NIST Police. It was mentioned last year (2011) but no FACTUAL information has been presented in some time now.

  • #2
    It was discussed and FPS decided against it. FPS will be taking back delegations but will not absorb any agency which was the last info we received. Not sure how that plays out in the long run.
    God created some police officers perfect, the rest he put in cars.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by FPS1588 View Post
      It was discussed and FPS decided against it. FPS will be taking back delegations but will not absorb any agency which was the last info we received. Not sure how that plays out in the long run.
      For agencies that were using delegations (ability/authority to enforce US Code/CFR) they will need to have statutory authority inserted into the respective sections of US Code. DoD has recently gone through this very issue and is working towards a solution.
      Originally posted by SSD
      It has long been the tradition on this forum and as well as professionally not to second guess or Monday morning QB the officer's who were actually on-scene and had to make the decision. That being said, I don't think that your discussion will go very far on this board.
      Originally posted by Iowa #1603
      And now you are arguing about not arguing..................

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      • #4
        DHS (Secretary Napolitano) has given NIST a one year extension. This extension was granted so that the DHS/NPPD attorneys can iron out the details of absorption. The delegation expires on 12/3/2012 and no extensions will be granted. Ultimately, whether the 0083s are absorbed by FPS or not is up to NIST/Dept of Commerce. If they want to pay FPS for the cost of absorbing the FTE (since FPS does not get appropriated and does not have the FTE available to absorb the 0083s into), then FPS will absorb the positions and they will become FPS officers. If not, FPS will place Protective Security Officers (PSO) (contract guards) on the gates and add NIST to the inventory as just another complex to patrol, and NIST will keep its’ 0083 employees and do with them as they choose.

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        • #5
          Will NIST get another extention and be in limbo for another year?

          Copied from 2013 Appropriations Committee report for NIST:

          Number 66 - May 11, 2012
          FY 2013 Appropriations Committee Reports: National Institute of Standards and Technology


          “Facility Security. -- The Committee continues to provide funding for NIST to maintain security operations for its laboratories and facilities. The Federal Protective Services [FPS] has previously proposed to take over NIST’s security operations, yet the Committee has not received a plan from the administration that would detail the transfer of security funding and responsibility from NIST to FPS. Therefore, the Committee does not grant such a transfer during fiscal year 2013.”
          Last edited by copter; 05-29-2012, 07:41 AM.

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          • #6
            So has FPS taken over for NIST Gaithersburg or are they moving into DOC security like NIST in Colorado which has openings for police officers.
            I don't answer recruitment messages....

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            • #7
              Yeah, didn't happen. FPS has not taken over the Law Enforcement functions at NIST/ Gaithersburg. Other than that any factual information is still minimal. But, anything less than an FPS patch is unacceptable.
              Last edited by rsm1969; 11-18-2013, 01:38 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by rsm1969 View Post
                Yeah, didn't happen. FPS has not taken over the Law Enforcement functions at NIST/ Gaithersburg. Other than that any factual information is still minimal. But, anything less than an FPS patch is unacceptable.
                The only agency that submitted was the USMMA DOT police in NY. Im guessing that NIST Gaithersburg will be hiring soon.
                I don't answer recruitment messages....

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                • #9
                  Honestly I don’t envision FPS going back to the old days of having a cop on every door. In the years since they came under DHS they have evolved away from static work and are now more geared towards oversight/COTR of contract guards, physical security assessments, liaison with building managers and local LE.

                  The whole discussion about unification of uniformed LE/PS functions comes up every few years or so. I remember when it was floated the idea of merging the US Mint, Bureau of Printing and Engraving, and USSS UD into a single Treasury Police. Several reasons to include disparity in pay, retirement, retention, and training were highlighted, but the counterpoints were mission focus, management and span of control.

                  Heck, the merger of LOC into USCP took what seemed like forever and when GPO could have come into the fold that fell by the wayside.
                  Originally posted by SSD
                  It has long been the tradition on this forum and as well as professionally not to second guess or Monday morning QB the officer's who were actually on-scene and had to make the decision. That being said, I don't think that your discussion will go very far on this board.
                  Originally posted by Iowa #1603
                  And now you are arguing about not arguing..................

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by orlandofed5-0 View Post
                    The only agency that submitted was the USMMA DOT police in NY. Im guessing that NIST Gaithersburg will be hiring soon.
                    We are under DOC/OSY now (Officially in January) and will have contract security at all the gates in the near future.
                    That being said there will be no hiring of Police at NIST Gaithersburg.
                    Last edited by copter; 11-21-2013, 12:02 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by copter View Post
                      We are under DOC/OSY now (Officially in January) and will have contract security at all the gates in the near future.
                      That being said there will be no hiring of Police at NIST Gaithersburg. In the last few months we have lost officers due to retirement and other employment opportunities and management is looking to get the numbers down to a rumored 15 officers through attrition since the Police will no longer be responsible for gate duty.
                      Even with the issues raised in the Gaithersburg paper about the security of your nuclear materials? That must suck.
                      I don't answer recruitment messages....

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by orlandofed5-0 View Post
                        Even with the issues raised in the Gaithersburg paper about the security of your nuclear materials? That must suck.
                        Don't know what you are referring to, I don't know of any issues with any security at NIST. There will be more officers on patrol.
                        Last edited by copter; 11-21-2013, 12:06 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by copter View Post
                          Don't know what you are referring to, I don't know of any issues with any security at NIST.

                          http://towncourier.com/study-cites-n...t-as-insecure/

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                          • #14
                            While the conclusions presented by the Nuclear Proliferation Prevention Project “paper” are interesting and show some true appreciation for threat assessment and mitigation programs- this very paper also acknowledges “ The paper focuses principally on the threat assessment tools used by the NRC because more information is publically available about its methods.” Which illustrates that while they are trying- they don’t have a full picture and thus are not able to speak to other factors used when developing risk/threat assessments- nor mitigation.

                            I could pick that paper apart but appreciate their effort- even if it is not fully informed.



                            That said- Was wondering is management did a staffing validation or if they just translated a plus up through contracted guards as a subtraction from 0083 manning. While not subject to it- the DOD uses MPVP-P (Mission Profile Validation Process [Protection]) which can help develop an informed picture of “needs” based on call volume, service activity, etc. There are other systems and formulas that can be used to identify the “right” numbers needed and which take into account true man-hours while including leave, training, etc.
                            Originally posted by SSD
                            It has long been the tradition on this forum and as well as professionally not to second guess or Monday morning QB the officer's who were actually on-scene and had to make the decision. That being said, I don't think that your discussion will go very far on this board.
                            Originally posted by Iowa #1603
                            And now you are arguing about not arguing..................

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