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  • nobodyimportant
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    well if it is arrest authority for off duty carry then PPD at Raven Rock should lose their off duty carry. they dont have the ability to even write a real parking ticket much less make an arrest
    Last edited by nobodyimportant; 10-01-2009, 09:15 PM. Reason: spelling

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  • 2971511
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    I think a lot is still open to interpretation. The USCG (enlisted) , technically does not have the authority, but a judge in NYS recently threw out a case, where an off-duty Coastie was charged with a handgun violation because the Coastie had LE Authority, even though his agency did not allow him to off-duty carry.

    MY buddy just went to a great seminar in NJ or this subject, Very knowledgable attorney, gave great handouts and insight into the LEOSA, and its affects on various State, Federal, and Local officers.

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  • Bearcat357
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    Originally posted by orlandofed5-0 View Post
    I wouldnt see why not. I know DLA DCIA is looking to expand from talking to some of their SA's.
    I know that DIA, DLA, and DCIS have folks out here.....so...

    Not saying I don't like my job.....but if a good investigative job came up.....it is what it is....

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  • orlandofed5-0
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    Originally posted by Bearcat357 View Post
    Thanks....I was wondering as if a DIA 1811 gig opens up out here....and they can match....you never know.

    I wouldnt see why not. I know DLA DCIA is looking to expand from talking to some of their SA's.

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  • Bearcat357
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    Originally posted by orlandofed5-0 View Post
    DIA OIG 1811's do also.
    Thanks....I was wondering as if a DIA 1811 gig opens up out here....and they can match....you never know.

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  • orlandofed5-0
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    Originally posted by Bearcat357 View Post
    Any idea about thier 1811s....? I have no clue and am curious....
    DLA DCIA have statutory authority.

    DIA OIG 1811's do also. From the DIA 1811 opening on USAJOBS:


    MAJOR DUTIES:
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    The incumbent serves as a Criminal Investigator in the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) and occupies a primary law enforcement officer position under the meaning of 5 U.S.C. 5541(3)(A), 5 U.S.C. 8331(20), or 5 U.S.C. 8401(17). Primarily plans, organizes, conducts, and directs sensitive investigations of the criminal laws of the United States, under the supervision of the Investigations supervisor. The incumbent conducts investigations in a fair and impartial manner, and with the perseverance necessary to determine the facts. Gathers and reports evidence in an unbiased and independent manner in an effort to determine the validity of an allegation or to resolve an issue. Included in the definition of “investigation of the criminal laws of the United States” are alleged or suspected violations by agency military personnel of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). The offenses investigated include, but are not limited to: program fraud, property fraud, bribery, larceny, embezzlement, collusion, conflict of interest, contract fraud, product substitution, and violations of other Federal statutes covering fraudulent activities.

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  • Bearcat357
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    Originally posted by BD380 View Post

    NGA, DIA, and DLA police derive their authority from their installation commander, not federal statutes. Therefore, they do not meet the requirements of LEOSA/HR218.
    Any idea about thier 1811s....? I have no clue and am curious....

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  • XD-40
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    Thanks for the info!

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  • orlandofed5-0
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    Originally posted by BD380 View Post
    One of the prerequisites for coverage under LEOSA/HR218 is that the LEO possess statutory arrest authority. That is, their authority to arrest is granted by federal statute. PFPA and NSA are the only uniformed agencies under the DoD umbrella that possess statutory authority.

    NGA, DIA, and DLA police derive their authority from their installation commander, not federal statutes. Therefore, they do not meet the requirements of LEOSA/HR218.
    DLA recieve their authority via the director of DLA who is a military officer. NGA/DIA are the same reason.

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  • BD380
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    Originally posted by XD-40 View Post
    Paragraph 2.2 shows you which DoD agencies are covered by LEOSA/HR218. As you can see, PFPA and NSA are the only uniformed agencies in the list due to the fact that they have statutory arrest authority and meet all the other requirements.

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  • BD380
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    Originally posted by XD-40 View Post
    Any idea why not? They attend FLETC and do the same training that we do.
    One of the prerequisites for coverage under LEOSA/HR218 is that the LEO possess statutory arrest authority. That is, their authority to arrest is granted by federal statute. PFPA and NSA are the only uniformed agencies under the DoD umbrella that possess statutory authority.

    NGA, DIA, and DLA police derive their authority from their installation commander, not federal statutes. Therefore, they do not meet the requirements of LEOSA/HR218.

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  • orlandofed5-0
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    Originally posted by XD-40 View Post
    Any idea why not? They attend FLETC and do the same training that we do.
    The authority comes via a military commander vs a civilian such as why PFPA-PPD and NSA police have statutory authority.

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  • XD-40
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    Any idea why not? They attend FLETC and do the same training that we do.

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  • orlandofed5-0
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    The 3 other DoD policing agencies (NGA,DIA,DLA) do not have off duty carry.

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  • XD-40
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    Found This!!!

    http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/c...df/552512p.pdf

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