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  • #61
    Originally posted by _JohnnyUtah View Post

    To be completely honest, I made contact with a few senior officers in Dallas PD through mutual connections, and they all told me I should look elsewhere, that if they were in my shoes, they wouldn't join their own department. They recommended Arlington (if you have a degree) and Plano (if you have a year to wait), or even Ft Worth if you are deadset on a big department.

    Everyone always recommends DPS (Texas State Police) pretty highly, but you will be doing a minimum of 4 years working the highways as a Trooper before you can apply for anything in investigations.
    Well, that's even more discouraging. My friends pretty much broke it down between the good big city departments and the smaller ones (Mesquite, McKinney, Plano). As for DPS, i personally would like to start in patrol rather than just work the highways. But I am trying to keep an open mind while not having to fly down there 100 times beforehand. My goal right now is to have an offer by the time i graduate.

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    • #62
      I'm a lil nervous now..from the not so positive stories. I'm sorry about that. Hopefully when I go down at the end of March, my experience isn't like that - especially coming from VA.

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      • #63
        Dallas pd has a terrible reputation in the dfw le community. I dont know why anyone wants to work there. If you want a big agency Fort Worth is the better place to go.

        If i got to do it all over again i would have gone to Tx dps.

        just my 2 cents. Dallas pd is collapsing on itself.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by _JohnnyUtah View Post
          So, everyone has their own experiences, so do with this information what you will, but I just want to make sure that guys (especially vets) who are flying from out of state are aware of how Dallas PD does business.

          I recently applied to DPD, and a few other agencies in Texas. I knew that Dallas was hurting for bodies and I have always loved the area. I filled out the initial application and had numerous phone calls with recruiters. When I was a senior in high school (18 years old), I got into a little trouble that ended up with me being convicted of two Class B misdemeanors (trespassing and receiving stolen property). This was 14 years ago, as a high schooler. Since then I have done 13 years in the military, with 7 as a infantryman in the 82nd Airborne, and another 6 with various units within the Special Operations Command. I have had a Top Secret clearance for the last decade. I have a Bachelors degree, speak Spanish, and am a Nationally Registered Paramedic (one of my jobs was Special Operations Combat Medic). I was the Special Operations Medic of the Year for all of the Army Special Operations Command, and was the Soldier of the Year for different units several times while in the 82nd Airborne. I am not saying any of these to brag or sound like a walk on water, just to give you an idea of what my packet looked like when I applied.

          Because I have had issues with people asking about those two Class B's from 14 years ago before, I listed it on my initial app, and explained it in as much detail as possible. I then called the recruiting department to line up my four day testing, went through a preliminary phone interview, where I stressed the charges again, as a "I don't want to waste your time or mine" type deal. Two different recruiters assured me that I was fine, two Class B's from well over 10 years ago was fine. We discussed the details of the case, we even talked about how it carries over to the Texas penal code (charges were from VA). After assuring everything was fine, I bought my plane ticket, hotel room, and rental car (to scout out the city and neighborhoods while I was there).

          I show up for the very first morning of the 4 day process, and we begin with filling out a lot more of the same information we have submitted twice already, and having a one-on-one session with a member of the Personnel Division to make sure all of our paperwork is in order. The first SGT that checked my stuff saw the court dispositions I had brought (as required), asked me about it, went and checked with a binder on another desk ( I am assuming to cross reference the VA penal code with the Texas), returned to me, and said it was not an issue, just a couple Class B's way back from high school. I then fill out some more paperwork, get checked again, explain the court documents again, and am told it is no issue. They notarize all my forms and put me in another line.

          I was randomly selected to go to the pre-polygraph group first, so I go into another room full of other applicants, and get the standard pre-polygraph book that asks if you have committed just about every crime that exists. I fill it all out and answer truthfully, again, writing out everything and explaining it again. A CPL comes over and checks it out, he reads over it, walks out of the room where a SGT is standing, they read over it, and he returns. He tells me he needs more detail. I explain that all of the information, including court documents are right up stairs in my packet if we just want to go look at it (why the guys running the pre-poly are not even looking at our packets didn't make a ton of sense to me). He says no, just write as much as I can. I do, until I basically tell him that is all there is to write, it wasn't the crime of the century, just some dumb high school kids. He goes back out and the SGT looks over it. The CPL returns and tells me to grab my belongings and follow him. I am thinking "Great, we are finally going to go get my packet so they can see that everything checks out". Nope.

          As soon as I am in the hallway, I am ushered through a set of doors, the CPL rolls my paper up and says "You are being disqualified from the process due to what you confessed in there."

          I am more shell shocked than upset initially. "Excuse me?" I ask. "What are you talking about"?

          "My sergeant said you are DQ'd for what you just confessed"

          "Just confessed? I didn't confess anything... I told you about the exact charges that are listed on my initial application, that are sitting in my packet upstairs, that have been checked off on twice already by Detectives."

          "Sorry, you have to leave. You are done".

          At this point he tries to usher me down the hallway. I am trying my hardest to stay calm, despite the super condescending tone he has taken.

          "Just hold on. May I please speak with the SGT at least who made the decision?"

          "No."

          "No? I can't even talk to him?"

          "No, please come with me."

          "Is there a Detective or maybe even the Lt I can talk to?"

          "Nope."

          "Look, I just spent over a thousand bucks flying out here for this, because I was assured by you guys that it was a "non-issue". These are 14 year old Class B charges. Are Class B's outside of 10 years a disqualifier? The website and personnel says they are not."

          "Look, I don't know. SGT said. Please come upstairs with me."

          At this point I am furious, not just at the waste of money, but how much of a brush off I am getting. We go upstairs and he gets my packet out of the stack, thumbs through all my paperwork, gives me back originals, and then closes the file. I ask why they are keeping all of my documents if they don't want me to continue. He says just because that's what they do. One last time, I try to appeal to some level of common sense. I am aware that I look like a 22 year old kid (I'm actually 32) and maybe he just thinks I am some punk who was only in high school a few years ago (although I clearly listed the dates...2003 on every piece of paper that I had submitted, including the poly booklet he was holding).

          "Look, I'm not tooting my own horn here, but I am in the Reserves now, but just did 13 years active duty, half in Special Operations. I still have my Top Secret clearance. What do you think you guys are going to find on my in my BI if I have a current TS clearance? I have been completely honest about everything.....you guys knew about these old *** Class B's from 14 years ago since the first piece of paperwork I submitted. There has got to be someone else we can sit down with to try to hash this out."

          "Nope, not how it works."

          Then he escorts me downstairs to the exit door. Now this is the main HQ for Dallas PD, anyone can come in and out, to check on relatives, crime, file a complaint, etc., but I am being escorted out like I am some criminal or terrorist.

          I sit outside for about twenty minutes, cooling off, and thinking if there is any possible way I could get back in to try to speak with anyone else. I realize that the LE world is probably pretty small, and I wouldn't want any future Texas application to be jeopardized if I made a scene there, so I bit my lip, and drove away. I am trying to find the appropriate POC within the department to send a formal complaint to about the process and way I was treated.

          I was not, and am not, asking for special treatment, but based off their own website, recruiters, and personnel people, to be pulled out and treated like a criminal, escorted out of the department, after 13 years of exceptional military service, with zero chance to even speak to anyone about the rank of CPL really ****es me off. Not only that, but they miss out on someone with tons of experience and advanced skill sets who has a true desire to serve, based solely on one SGTs decision, with him never even glancing at my packet or any legal documents regarding the incident.

          I have tons of buddies here at Bragg that are looking at large PDs in Texas, and several more in the VA Beach and Camp Lejune area. I am going out of my way to tell everyone of them, and to spread the word in Special Operations, to not even waste your time with Dallas PD, because they will treat you with the same level of professionalism and respect as they do the 21 year old punk sitting next to you confessing to selling and transporting drugs 5 times in the last year (at least they kicked her out too....)

          And Dallas PD officers or recruiters on here that want to chime in, feel free.
          Unfortunately that's just how it is with some departments, they have their protocols and they follow them to the T, regardless of your background or experience. A lot of places don't care about your work background and work experience.

          I applied to between 10-15 departments before I finally got hired, and yes I was treated this way in one of the departments.....it's just the way it is.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by beachcop05 View Post

            Unfortunately that's just how it is with some departments, they have their protocols and they follow them to the T, regardless of your background or experience. A lot of places don't care about your work background and work experience.

            I applied to between 10-15 departments before I finally got hired, and yes I was treated this way in one of the departments.....it's just the way it is.
            I don't mind protocols, and I don't mind hiring standards, in fact, I want to work for a PD that has some sort of standards. I also don't expect any special treatment because of my background. I do, however, have a problem with wasting time and over a grand, after having been told countless times that my charges would not be an issue. Also, they are both Class B misdemeanors from 14 years ago, which are not disqualifers based on Dallas's own disqualification list and every member of the applicant process I spoke with. Mostly, I have a problem with a single man (in this case, the SGT) having complete autonomy to toss people out of the pre-poly pool as he sits fit, without even looking at their packet or any court documents related to the incident. That is a built-in single point of failure, and I am sure is costing them a ton of highly qualified applicants. It also leads to their well earned reputation apparently.
            War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. - John Stuart Mill

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            • #66
              Originally posted by _JohnnyUtah View Post

              , and I am sure is costing them a ton of highly qualified applicants. .
              Which I AM SURE they don't care about, being that they receive thousands of applicants from all over the country.

              As far as the other issues, i.e. being told by recruiters that your Class B misdemeanors would be a non-issue...you should have gotten all that IN WRITING, such as an e-mail or something like that, and then brought all that documentation with you. Document, document, document....and if I didn't say it before, document.

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              • #67
                Look folks, you need to think hard before testing. There are major changes in the works on retirement .they are looking at retiring at 58 years old and a low multiplier . That is terrible if you don't know anything about retirements . You NEED toto keep retirement in mind. You can't do this job at 58. This city had turned its back on police and fire .we are looking at several hundred more officers leaving .think Detroit/Memphis.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by beachcop05 View Post

                  Which I AM SURE they don't care about, being that they receive thousands of applicants from all over the country.

                  As far as the other issues, i.e. being told by recruiters that your Class B misdemeanors would be a non-issue...you should have gotten all that IN WRITING, such as an e-mail or something like that, and then brought all that documentation with you. Document, document, document....and if I didn't say it before, document.

                  'Preciate the advice.

                  Just wanted to give my story as an example/warning to the OP's original concerns. Again, I was advised by a 20 year member of the department to not even apply, and the department is a sinking ship. I had already scheduled my civil service exam and bought plane tickets by that point, so I went anyways. I am glad it worked out the way it did in hindsight, but I just want to prevent others from wasting money, since airfare and 4 days in a hotel is expensive.

                  Also, I used the extra days I had after DPD kicked me out to meet with some other department's recruiters and applicant coordinators in the area. They were all extremely professional, with one offering to do a criminal background check on me and get me something formal in writing from the Texas Commission of Law Enforcement stating that my charges from high school did not prevent me from being a licensed peace officer in the state of Texas. They only asked that I keep them near the top of my list of choices. The difference in the professionalism of the departments was night and day.

                  Most importantly for this thread, they all said the same thing about Dallas PD, that they will bring in hundreds of applicants from out of state, even guys they know 100% won't make the cut (even for the clearly listed disqualifiers like felony charges, Class Misdemeanors, domestic violence, etc) in order to achieve of certain number of applicants processed and tested. It's just a numbers game for them since they are hemorrhaging officers right now (short 600 plus officers), in order to show how aggressively they are recruiting and trying to fill academies. That is just a fair warning for guys spending the money to fly in for the four day process.

                  War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. - John Stuart Mill

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by _JohnnyUtah View Post


                    'Preciate the advice.

                    Just wanted to give my story as an example/warning to the OP's original concerns. Again, I was advised by a 20 year member of the department to not even apply, and the department is a sinking ship. I had already scheduled my civil service exam and bought plane tickets by that point, so I went anyways. I am glad it worked out the way it did in hindsight, but I just want to prevent others from wasting money, since airfare and 4 days in a hotel is expensive.

                    Also, I used the extra days I had after DPD kicked me out to meet with some other department's recruiters and applicant coordinators in the area. They were all extremely professional, with one offering to do a criminal background check on me and get me something formal in writing from the Texas Commission of Law Enforcement stating that my charges from high school did not prevent me from being a licensed peace officer in the state of Texas. They only asked that I keep them near the top of my list of choices. The difference in the professionalism of the departments was night and day.

                    Most importantly for this thread, they all said the same thing about Dallas PD, that they will bring in hundreds of applicants from out of state, even guys they know 100% won't make the cut (even for the clearly listed disqualifiers like felony charges, Class Misdemeanors, domestic violence, etc) in order to achieve of certain number of applicants processed and tested. It's just a numbers game for them since they are hemorrhaging officers right now (short 600 plus officers), in order to show how aggressively they are recruiting and trying to fill academies. That is just a fair warning for guys spending the money to fly in for the four day process.
                    So as an upcoming applicant for the 4 day testing, you would not attend it? I already purchased my plane ticket and was looking a different spots on airbnb. I really didn't know Dallas PD is looked at so negatively in the area.

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                    • #70
                      Just to piggyback here.... I too have heard some things about the low morale at DPD right now... but no PD is perfect and it's kind of what you make of it too. If you already bought tickets to do the 4 day process, do the 4 day process. Maybe see if you can get a ride along scheduled to get a first hand look at patrol, which is where you will start off. It will also give you the chance to pick the brain of a patrol officer for the inside scoop. You can do the process and of course if you make it through, it's up to you on if you accept the job. If you decide you don't want to work there then it was good practice on a PD application process. No harm, no foul.
                      "Always remember to use all fingers when waving at a Police Officer!"

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                      • #71
                        It doesn't hurt to test . In fact sometimes it helps if 2 agencies are interested in you. Just know the state of the department when it comes time to sign on.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Fox411 View Post

                          So as an upcoming applicant for the 4 day testing, you would not attend it? I already purchased my plane ticket and was looking a different spots on airbnb. I really didn't know Dallas PD is looked at so negatively in the area.
                          If you have already paid for tickets and lodging, definitely go, and at the very least you will get the experience of doing a PT test, poly, oral board, etc. I would recommend reaching out to some other departments in the area that you may be interested in and meeting with a recruiter while you are already in town, or at least check out the cities. For the top departments that I was interested in, I talked to the recruiters, and then would stop and talk to guys on patrol whenever I came across them. Most are more than willing to give you the good and bad.
                          Last edited by _JohnnyUtah; 02-22-2017, 02:18 PM.
                          War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. - John Stuart Mill

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                          • #73
                            Anyone else contacted about BI?

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                            • #74
                              I finally was able to send the last of my documents they needed yesterday. I got called and was asked if I was sending them. Hope that means my BI will contact me soon.
                              Sometimes there's justice...sometimes there's just us.

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                              • #75
                                Has anybody received a job offer on this thread? I started this process 5 months ago and still patiently waiting on either a phone call or a formal DQ letter in the mail. The last I heard is that my packet was being reviewed, but that's all I was told.

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