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  • adeutch
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    Originally posted by CenTex View Post
    Get the politics out of this thread.
    By criticizing the politics in this thread, I made the mistake of bringing more politics into this thread.

    Now, I'm just interested to see how this is going to be dealt with. This definitely seems appropriate for the military justice system.

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  • bikecop136
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    Originally posted by CenTex View Post
    Get the politics out of this thread.
    +1. We should be mourning the loss of all of those lives and praying for recovery for the other victims and Sister Officer injured in the line of duty.

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  • CenTex
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    Get the politics out of this thread.

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  • LaPlaca
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    NOpe...

    His policies are though.

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  • adeutch
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    Originally posted by LaPlaca View Post
    Interesting though how NObama followed up yesterday with a, "Lets not rush to judgement without the facts" when a MUSLIM shoots 50 soldiers on an Army post. A cop hooks a guy on a res burg call and he, "Acted stupidly".
    He shouldn't have even commented on the Gates arrest. The American Idol contest is of more national importance than one rich guy getting arrested.

    "NObama".. just never gets old, does it?

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  • LaPlaca
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    Originally posted by adeutch View Post
    Fair enough.. I misunderstood your post, just as you understood mine. I was not referring to Obama's "shoutout" either. I was referring to your comment that Obama would see to it that the bastard would receive "the best lawyers possible and somehow make this Bush's fault." Do you seriously think taht's gonna happen? Do you really think Obama or ANYONE wants to let this guy off the hook? My point.. turning this into something political.

    Interesting though how NObama followed up yesterday with a, "Lets not rush to judgement without the facts" when a MUSLIM shoots 50 soldiers on an Army post. A cop hooks a guy on a res burg call and he, "Acted stupidly".

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  • adeutch
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    Originally posted by LaPlaca View Post
    That little 'gem', as you called it, was in reference to NObamas half arsed speech regarding the event. I was on the range at the PD when all 30 or so of us heard his assinine 'shout out' and crowd stroking before mentioning that nearly 50 people under his command were shot by a muslim US soldier 5 miles from where we were standing. 30 voices shouting 'WTF?' in unison would have been comical under other situations.

    The families of the murdered soldiers refused to allow cameras at Dover when their loved ones bodies hit the ramp. I guess NObama wont be able to use the newest crop of dead troops for a photo-op as he did a few days ago.
    Fair enough.. I misunderstood your post, just as you understood mine. I was not referring to Obama's "shoutout" either. I was referring to your comment that Obama would see to it that the bastard would receive "the best lawyers possible and somehow make this Bush's fault." Do you seriously think taht's gonna happen? Do you really think Obama or ANYONE wants to let this guy off the hook? My point.. turning this into something political.

    And YankeeWhite, this was my point... Trying to somehow relate this massacre to Obama is turning it into something political. I could give a sh1t about Obama.
    A radical muslim killed a bunch of soldiers. We're in agreement about that. Obama is not going to offer this guy a presidential pardon. In reference to racism, I was simply expressing my worry that this event would renew racist feelings towards peaceful Muslims in America and other brown skinned Americans who look like they MIGHT be Muslim. I could give a sh1t about radical muslims in the middle east or anywhere.

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  • LaPlaca
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    Originally posted by adeutch View Post
    With the exception of this little gem I'm pleased to see people aren't trying to turn this into something political or racist. When I woke up and saw the headline this morning I was dreading a flood of renewed racism and xenophobia. This man will be treated no differently than any other military officer.
    That little 'gem', as you called it, was in reference to NObamas half arsed speech regarding the event. I was on the range at the PD when all 30 or so of us heard his assinine 'shout out' and crowd stroking before mentioning that nearly 50 people under his command were shot by a muslim US soldier 5 miles from where we were standing. 30 voices shouting 'WTF?' in unison would have been comical under other situations.

    The families of the murdered soldiers refused to allow cameras at Dover when their loved ones bodies hit the ramp. I guess NObama wont be able to use the newest crop of dead troops for a photo-op as he did a few days ago.

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  • YankeeWhite
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    what do you mean political or racist? Things are pretty cut and dry - a radical muslin who attended mosque services in his military uniform stated he would not deploy and fight against other muslims...he then opened fire on a military installation killed 13 and wounding 31.

    Racist...no. Terrorist...definitely.

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  • iamacop
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    Yes, confirmed that female officer is stable. She did one hell of a job and prevented a lot more deaths. Even though she was shot, she struck the suspect four times. You can't get any better than that. Definitely deserves all the recognition possible. Just sad that 13 people perished..

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  • adeutch
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    Originally posted by LaPlaca View Post
    Im sure obama will provide the best lawyers possible and somehow make this all Bush's fault. AFTER giving 'shout outs' to his posse....
    With the exception of this little gem I'm pleased to see people aren't trying to turn this into something political or racist. When I woke up and saw the headline this morning I was dreading a flood of renewed racism and xenophobia. This man will be treated no differently than any other military officer.

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  • DH2002
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    They were saying that only the female DACP officer was hurt and that 12 soldiers were killed and 1 civilian who worked at the deployment center.

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  • YankeeWhite
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    Any word on the number of officers wounded? I had heard four total...one rumored dead. Posted on here the female officer will survive. Others?


    To all DACP officers, DAF Police from TAFB are waiting with whatever you/families of wounded brothers need. Let us know.

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  • LaPlaca
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    Originally posted by OILMAN69 View Post
    this is so horrible....yes i also heard that the killer is still alive...they need to try him in the military courts also........
    Im sure obama will provide the best lawyers possible and somehow make this all Bush's fault. AFTER giving 'shout outs' to his posse....

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  • DH2002
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    Latest:

    The latest:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...dcsxp V42AdnK

    Army Muslim major kills 13 at Ft. Hood
    By ANDY SOLTIS, LEONARD GREENE and DAREH GREGORIAN

    Last Updated: 6:54 AM, November 6, 2009

    Posted: 3:42 AM, November 6, 2009

    The Army psychiatrist who went on a shooting rampage that left 13 people dead and 31 wounded at a Texas Army base yesterday had been eyed by the feds recently for demented Internet postings about suicide bombings, officials said.

    Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was shot at least four times during the massacre at Fort Hood, was upset about his impending deployment overseas, a mission he'd turned against in recent years, relatives said.

    He strode into a deployment center, shouting that he was targeting military personnel and warning civilians to get out of the way, Texas station KXXV reported.

    Retired Col. Terry Lee, who said he had worked with Hasan, told Fox News he was being sent to Afghanistan.

    "We've known over the last five years that was probably his worst nightmare," cousin Nader Hasan said of the deployment.

    Officials are investigating whether Hasan was the author of Internet postings that caught their eye about six months ago, discussing suicide bombings and other threats.

    In one posting, the author compared Islamic suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on grenades to save their colleagues.

    "To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause," the Internet posting said. "Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers."

    One official said last night federal search warrants were being drawn up to authorize the seizure of Hasan's computer.

    Born in Arlington, Va., Hasan is a devout Muslim of Palestinian descent who attended Virginia Tech -- scene of a 2007 campus massacre.

    In recent years, he expressed his opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and had become angry that President Obama hadn't withdrawn troops from the region.

    "He would make comments to other individuals about how we should not be in the war in the first place," Lee told Fox.

    He said Hasan would often make "outlandish" comments.

    "He said maybe Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor," Lee said.

    "At first, we thought he meant help the armed forces, but apparently, that wasn't the case."

    Nader Hasan told Fox his cousin, a disaster and trauma specialist, had hired a military lawyer to help him get out of deployment.

    "We are shocked and saddened by the terrible events at Fort Hood today," he said in a statement issued on behalf of their family. "We send the families of the victims our most heartfelt sympathies."

    Texas US Rep. Michael McCaul told the Statesman newspaper Hasan "took a lot of advanced training in shooting" -- training he allegedly put to use when he walked in to the installation's sprawling Soldier Readiness Processing Center at around 1:30 p.m.

    Armed with two handguns, one a semiautomatic -- none military-issued -- he started blasting away at his fellow soldiers, many of whom were GIs undergoing last-minute medical tests and other preparation for shipping out to Afghanistan and Iraq, officials said.

    He was able to get off numerous rounds at once, sending soldiers scrambling for cover as their comrades fell around them, officials said.

    Officials have not ruled out the possibility some casualties may have been victims of "friendly fire," shot by authorities amid the mayhem, said a senior U.S. official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

    "I was confused and just shocked," said Spc. Jerry Richard, 27, who works at the center but was not on duty during the shooting. "Overseas, you are ready for it. But here, you can't even defend yourself."

    Soldiers at the base aren't armed unless they're in training exercises.

    Quick-thinking GIs helped shuffle their injured colleagues out of the main rooms, and tore up their own uniforms to make makeshift bandages.

    They also secured a nearby auditorium, where 600 had gathered for a graduation ceremony.

    "As horrible as this was, I'm sure it could have been much worse," base commander Lt. Gen. Robert Cone said last night.

    Base and military police responded within minutes, and Hasan was shot by a female officer who was wounded herself, Cone said.

    In the confusing aftermath of the attack, there were initial reports Hasan had been killed. But last night, Cone said his death "was not imminent."

    He was reported on a ventilator, in critical but stable condition.

    Cone said initially three people were held, and all have been interviewed. Authorities believe, however, that there was a single shooter.

    President Obama decried the "horrific outburst of violence," and said his "prayers are with the wounded and the families of the fallen."

    It's "difficult enough to lose" soldiers in battles abroad, he said, but "it's horrifying that they should come under fire at an Army base on American soil."

    The president promised a sweeping investigation of the worst soldier-on-soldier attack ever to take place on US soil.

    The attack happened just down the road from one of the worst mass shootings in US history. On Oct. 16, 1991, George Hennard smashed his pickup truck through a Luby's Cafeteria window in Killeen, Texas, and fired on the lunchtime crowd with a high-powered pistol, killing 22 people.

    Hasan was an eight-year veteran who was transferred to Fort Hood after getting a poor review at his previous post, the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, DC.

    While an intern at Walter Reed, Hasan had some "difficulties" that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, the training director at the time.

    Grieger said privacy laws prevented him from going into details, but the problems had to do with Hasan's interactions with patients.

    His cousin said Hasan was taunted by his colleagues after the 9/11 attacks.

    While living in Virginia, he was a fixture at the Muslim Community Center in nearby Silver Spring, Md., The Washington Post reported.

    He was "very devout," a former imam there, Faizul Khan, told the paper. He said Hasan attended prayers every day, often in his Army fatigues.

    He'd also applied to a matrimonial seminar, where he had problems finding a love match.

    "I don't think he ever had a match because he had too many conditions," Khan said.

    "We never got into details of worldly affairs or politics," he said of his talks with the officer. "But there was nothing extremist in his questions."

    Covering 339 square miles, Fort Hood is the largest active-duty armored post in the United States. Home to about 52,000 troops as of earlier this year, it is located halfway between Austin and Waco.

    The base was locked down after the shootings, and the wounded were rushed by helicopters and ambulances to three hospitals in central Texas.

    At least two of the victims were described as being in very serious condition.

    There have been other incidents of soldier-on-soldier violence since the Afghan and Iraq wars began, but none this bad.

    In 2005, Sgt. Hasan Akbar was convicted and sentenced to death for throwing grenades into troop tents during the early days of the Iraq invasion. Two GIs were killed. Prosecutors said Akbar opposed US troops killing fellow Muslims in the fighting.

    Additional reporting by Charles Hurt and Wire Services

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