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    What's the job market like in North Dakota for an entry level, out of state applicant? North Dakota seems like the place to be right now and I'd love the opportunity to be apart of a growing State. Departments big or small, whichever would be great. Thanks.

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    Depends on your qualifications. If you are applying with no experience, education, military or training, then not any better than local candidates. But if you have any of those, probably pretty good. About 60% of my agency are out-of-staters.

    Lots of openings right now. I know Morton County has 3 openings and last I heard they only had like 5-6 applicants. Dickinson PD has a bunch of openings too. Pretty much any agency in the western half of the state is bound to have an opening or have opening within 6 months as people are always leaving. Our starting pay is 52,700 a year for patrol deputy. Some depts pay more, some less. I would take a job in ND for anything lower than $20 an hour.

    Some things to consider are housing, or the lack of it, cost to interview (a plane ticket to North Dakota is not cheap), relatively quick start date. Hiring processes (with the exceptions of a few depts) are usually pretty fast. I was hired and started about a month from my initial application date. I already had my POST license but still, it's going to happen fast. If you don't have the ability to start soon, they may not consider you.

    Benefits are not that great. My agency does not offer vision or dental. Even our health insurance is not that good. But most (not all) counties and smaller PDs provide take home cars and other benefits that make up for it.

    Also, in general North Dakota law enforcement is not as progressive as other states. I am not saying this is good or bad. I come from Minnesota where law enforcement is very professional and progressive. Here it is not. So if you come form a state that has progressive law enforcement, be prepared for things to operate differently.

    Overall it is a good place to be. It's cold in the winter, but there is money and with that job security. It is a right to work state, so no unions. Things are growing fast and it's exciting place to be. We have a deputy who is on the drug task force with only 1.5 years on. Where else are you going to get to do that, that fast?
    Last edited by cjs-luke; 12-06-2013, 05:10 PM.
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    • #3
      This exactly the answer I was looking for. My background isn't great, so I'm going to spend some time getting some more qualifications. I do have some decent work experience at least. Is there any specific qualification they look for out there?

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      • #4
        Qualifications are going to depend on the agency. General law enforcement related are good to start with. My agency doesn't care if you have EMT or First Respond. Other agencies would be sold on some who had EMT. It all depends.
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        • #5
          That's great because I'm in the process of getting my EMT certification. Thank you for your time sir.

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          • #6
            To add on to cjs-luke's post, getting a cop job in ND is "easy" compared to most other states. My agency is hiring right now (when aren't we hiring? lol) and our starting pay is $43,000 and we have fully paid family health insurance, which is easily a few thousand a year if you have to pay the premium yourself. We require either 60 college credits, 4 year active duty military or 3 years law enforcement experience.

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            • #7
              Thanks for the post. If anyone has any other information or advice, let me know.

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              • #8
                I would venture to say Law Enforcement in Western ND is very progressive, compared to what it was pre boom 3 years agoish, there are agency's that have gone from a Sheriff and a Deputy, light bar and radio in old car to 14+ deputy's and in car computers and so on, agency's that ran 2 officers coverage from 10am to 1 am and now run 6 officers a shift on 12 hour 24/7 coverage.

                It seems like most agency's out west, 70% or better of their new hires in last few years are guy/gals from Minnesota that can't get a job there until they get some experience, and they spend any money they have left over after paying rent driving back to Minn for job interviews, I know guys that go back once a month for a interview just hoping eventually somebody hires them.


                If your looking to get a job quick, apply at the Fort Berthold Police Department, they always have openings and will put you up in the tribes Casino for no cost to you, 26 hr starting in January and unlimited overtime, right now their doing 5on 2 off, 12 hr shifts, and you will respond to everything from car accidents, stabbings, big fights, gun calls on a daily basis.
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                • #9
                  Thanks for the reply. I'm definitely going to looking into them. Do you know if they require you to have been to an academy?



                  Originally posted by Red Swan View Post
                  I would venture to say Law Enforcement in Western ND is very progressive, compared to what it was pre boom 3 years agoish, there are agency's that have gone from a Sheriff and a Deputy, light bar and radio in old car to 14+ deputy's and in car computers and so on, agency's that ran 2 officers coverage from 10am to 1 am and now run 6 officers a shift on 12 hour 24/7 coverage.

                  It seems like most agency's out west, 70% or better of their new hires in last few years are guy/gals from Minnesota that can't get a job there until they get some experience, and they spend any money they have left over after paying rent driving back to Minn for job interviews, I know guys that go back once a month for a interview just hoping eventually somebody hires them.


                  If your looking to get a job quick, apply at the Fort Berthold Police Department, they always have openings and will put you up in the tribes Casino for no cost to you, 26 hr starting in January and unlimited overtime, right now their doing 5on 2 off, 12 hr shifts, and you will respond to everything from car accidents, stabbings, big fights, gun calls on a daily basis.

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                    Do the agencies referred to offer take-home vehicles? What is a "day in the life" like? I've been a cop for 16yrs, so I have the job part down. Just wondering what a real day is like up there.

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                    • #11
                      Most departments in western ND require you have gone through a POST or other state Law Enforcement. The ND Dept. of Justice board is allowing a lot more "limited licenses for certified out of state applicants, because of the boom and challenges the Depts. are facing. Great example, a western-central agency just hired me. It was 2.5 weeks from the time I put my application in to the time I went to the interview and was given an offer on the spot. They are providing housing, full benifits and by the time I'm off FTO their new squads will be in so everyone will have their own take home. It's crazy out there and it's great experience!

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                      • #12
                        Sh... Where are you from to describe your transfer process?
                        The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheepdog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed.

                        I Am the Sheepdog.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Shpdog2013 View Post
                          Most departments in western ND require you have gone through a POST or other state Law Enforcement. The ND Dept. of Justice board is allowing a lot more "limited licenses for certified out of state applicants, because of the boom and challenges the Depts. are facing. Great example, a western-central agency just hired me. It was 2.5 weeks from the time I put my application in to the time I went to the interview and was given an offer on the spot. They are providing housing, full benifits and by the time I'm off FTO their new squads will be in so everyone will have their own take home. It's crazy out there and it's great experience!
                          Can I send you a PM? You don't have it set up.

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                          • #14
                            I'm originally from Western Wisconsin where I've been a part-time LEO for a year now. Was given this info from my chief after he looked into it. WI doesn't specifically have POST like other states. WI is alittle longer academy class time then MN but we basically cover the se materials. They may just have different names for it in different states.

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