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  • CountyCorrectionOfficer
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    Originally posted by Nightsquad View Post
    The NYS title of Grade 8 Security Officer (Grade 11 Senior Security Officers) has some locations whereby their officers appointed to various state agencies in NYC must be qualified to be appointed to "special patrolman" status while performing their duties. I have seen that right on the NYS exam notice for that position. Yet those appointed to this title in the greater Albany area who are assigned to the DOH, SUNY HQ Administration, State Education Dept, and Workers Compensation don't have any other LEO authority. I would think security titles responsible for security at the DOH operated labs in and around Albany would at the very least have peace officer status like that of Safety & Security Officers, after all on the SSO exam it says agencies which hire from this exam are OMH, OPWDD, and even DOH is listed. I bet the DMV or Workers Comp locations in NYC can get hostile at times thereby can see where the "special patrolman" status is surely needed.

    http://www.cs.ny.gov/announarchive/a...nts/25-834.cfm



    Workers Comp hearing offices up this way uses unarmed private security.

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  • Nightsquad
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    Originally posted by wo 150 View Post
    Correction County, SSA is a NYS title and represented by NYSCOPBA They are not Special Patrolman. But TNT statement is absolutely correct
    The NYS title of Grade 8 Security Officer (Grade 11 Senior Security Officers) has some locations whereby their officers appointed to various state agencies in NYC must be qualified to be appointed to "special patrolman" status while performing their duties. I have seen that right on the NYS exam notice for that position. Yet those appointed to this title in the greater Albany area who are assigned to the DOH, SUNY HQ Administration, State Education Dept, and Workers Compensation don't have any other LEO authority. I would think security titles responsible for security at the DOH operated labs in and around Albany would at the very least have peace officer status like that of Safety & Security Officers, after all on the SSO exam it says agencies which hire from this exam are OMH, OPWDD, and even DOH is listed. I bet the DMV or Workers Comp locations in NYC can get hostile at times thereby can see where the "special patrolman" status is surely needed.

    http://www.cs.ny.gov/announarchive/a...nts/25-834.cfm
    Last edited by Nightsquad; 10-29-2015, 04:19 AM.

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  • WRESTLER
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    Originally posted by CountyCorrectionOfficer View Post
    Police powers are defined in the NYS Criminal Procedure Law; NOT the Penal Law. See post # 26.
    Thanks county correction

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  • WRESTLER
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    Originally posted by wo 150 View Post
    I apologize, I thought they were talking about the SSA's that run the metal detectors at the Capitol. You could be right, he could be a School Safety Agent, My apologies for the mistake
    Yes,my false

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  • CountyCorrectionOfficer
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    Originally posted by WRESTLER View Post
    Power and authority[edit]
    School Safety Agents are designated as New York City Special Patrolman, which gives them the status of a New York State peace officer. With peace officer powers, School Safety Agents can make warrantless arrests, carry and use handcuffs, and use physical force. According to the New York Penal Law, School Safety Agents have peace officer powers throughout New York State.[1]
    Police powers are defined in the NYS Criminal Procedure Law; NOT the Penal Law. See post # 26.

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  • wo 150
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    Originally posted by CountyCorrectionOfficer View Post

    Is SSA school safety agent employed by NYPD?? or a state employee employed by what state agency??
    I apologize, I thought they were talking about the SSA's that run the metal detectors at the Capitol. You could be right, he could be a School Safety Agent, My apologies for the mistake

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  • CountyCorrectionOfficer
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    Originally posted by wo 150 View Post
    Correction County, SSA is a NYS title and represented by NYSCOPBA They are not Special Patrolman. But TNT statement is absolutely correct

    Is SSA school safety agent employed by NYPD?? or a state employee employed by what state agency??

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  • wo 150
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    Originally posted by CountyCorrectionOfficer View Post
    But you're not permitted to carry or possess firearms (pistol) on your NYC special patrolman status
    TNT writes the truth.......How many people do you think would submit themselves to being arrested by an UNARMED, dressed in civilian clothed peace officer??....again always be a good witness as TNT said.
    Correction County, SSA is a NYS title and represented by NYSCOPBA They are not Special Patrolman. But TNT statement is absolutely correct

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  • CountyCorrectionOfficer
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    Originally posted by WRESTLER View Post
    i am ssa,we are peace officers on and off duty
    But you're not permitted to carry or possess firearms (pistol) on your NYC special patrolman status
    TNT writes the truth.......How many people do you think would submit themselves to being arrested by an UNARMED, dressed in civilian clothed peace officer??....again always be a good witness as TNT said.

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  • wo 150
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    Originally posted by The hopeful View Post
    Incorrect I'm a 24/7 NYS peace officer but work for NYC
    Again, County's statement was true, it just needed to be tweaked a little bit. You have to watch your words, especially when replying to guys who have a long time in this business. What County said is true about being outside your GAOE. Remember it is not what you say but how you say it.

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  • wo 150
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    Originally posted by CountyCorrectionOfficer View Post
    Very true wo150, your GAOE is the entire state and you are a true NYS peace officer employed by DOCCS. The rest of us derive our authority from the CPL as you know and once we are outside our GAOE the ability to make a arrest drops off significantly. A police officer outside his GAOE, whether on or off duty, may arrest anywhere in NYS for a crime whether committed in his presence or based upon reasonable belief. I remember when I first started in county corrections 37 years ago, the jail administrator told me "peace officers are private citizens so don't think you have special powers or you'll get into trouble". That's the way was "in the old days."
    You are absolutely right, they were the good old days and that is what we were told on every Peace Officer job. It took the legislature along time to make it right and even today some jobs have that mentality.

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  • WRESTLER
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    Originally posted by NYCTNT View Post
    At the end of the day. Your still allowed to make an arrest.

    Special Patrolmen do not have the luxury of having 24/7 peace officer status. But.. Who cares. Always be a good witness anyway. Only select nyc agency special patrolmen have 24/7. Others do not.

    I know some people are reading this and wondering.. Hmm...

    No.. You cannot carry off duty or buy a personal gun and carry off duty. No.. If your agency does not issue firearms or are trained to qualify at the range with your agency.. You do not magically qualify for hr218.

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    Only a Handful of peace officers in CPL 2.10 maintain status 24/7 and carry 24/7. And qualify for retirement carry permit and hr218 "qualified".
    i am ssa,we are peace officers on and off duty

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  • CountyCorrectionOfficer
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    Originally posted by wo 150 View Post
    Just to tweak this a little bit, everyone is a NYS Peace Officer because all your powers are derived by state law, the difference being is your Geographical area of employment (GAOE) ex A NYC Corrections Officer GAOE is the City of New York, however when off duty, the Officer has powers throughout the State. This goes for any local Peace Officer, naturally those that work for the State ex, Corrections, Parole, Park rangers, SSO, etc our GAOE is the entire state regadless
    Very true wo150, your GAOE is the entire state and you are a true NYS peace officer employed by DOCCS. The rest of us derive our authority from the CPL as you know and once we are outside our GAOE the ability to make a arrest drops off significantly. A police officer outside his GAOE, whether on or off duty, may arrest anywhere in NYS for a crime whether committed in his presence or based upon reasonable belief. I remember when I first started in county corrections 37 years ago, the jail administrator told me "peace officers are private citizens so don't think you have special powers or you'll get into trouble". That's the way was "in the old days."

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  • CountyCorrectionOfficer
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    Originally posted by The hopeful View Post
    Incorrect I'm a 24/7 NYS peace officer but work for NYC
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    Last edited by CountyCorrectionOfficer; 10-28-2015, 12:27 PM.

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  • The hopeful
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    Originally posted by CountyCorrectionOfficer View Post
    All peace officers employed by local government in New York are NOT NYS peace officers. Those that are New York State peace officers are actually those employed by New York State. They are state court officers, state correction and parole officers, and NYSDEC park rangers making up the vast majority of state peace officers.. There is marked difference between a peace and a police officer. Peace officers act pursuit to their special duties and their powers of arrest are largely confined to their jurisdiction of employment. Furthermore; peace officers can NOT execute a search warrant--only a police officer may do so. Police and peace officers derive their authority from the NYS Criminal procedure Law. It was the intent of the state legislature to place the burden of the criminal justice system squarely upon the shoulders of police officers.
    Incorrect I'm a 24/7 NYS peace officer but work for NYC

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