Municipal Police Officer Training Council vs. the NYC Special Patrolman cert.

[us veteran]

Question for any UMOS what really is the difference between the state credential and the city credential?

[TruGuardian]

CPL 2.10

27) New York city special patrolmen appointed by the police
commissioner pursuant to subdivision c or e of section 434a-7.0 or
subdivision c or e of section 14-106 of the administrative code of the
city of New York; provided, however, that nothing in this subdivision
shall be deemed to authorize such officer to carry, possess, repair or
dispose of a firearm unless the appropriate license therefor has been
issued pursuant to section 400.00 of the penal law and the employer has
authorized such officer to possess a firearm during any phase of the
officers on-duty employment. Special patrolmen shall have the powers set
forth in section 2.20 of this article only when they are acting pursuant
to their special duties; provided, however, that the following
categories of New York city special patrolmen shall have such powers
whether or not they are acting pursuant to their special duties: school
safety officers employed by the board of education of the city of New
York; parking control specialists, taxi and limousine inspectors, urban
park rangers and evidence and property control specialists employed by
the city of New York; and further provided that, with respect to the
aforementioned categories of New York city special patrolmen, where such
a special patrolman has been appointed by the police commissioner and,
upon the expiration of such appointment the police commissioner has
neither renewed such appointment nor explicitly determined that such
appointment shall not be renewed, such appointment shall remain in full
force and effect indefinitely, until such time as the police
commissioner expressly determines to either renew or terminate such
appointment.



N.Y. ADC. LAW § 14-106 :
C) The commissioner, whenever expedient, may on the application of any person or persons, corporation or corporations, showing the necessity therefor, appoint and swear any number of special patrolmen to do special duty at any place in the city upon the person or persons, corporation or corporations by whom the application shall be made, paying, in advance, such special patrolmen for their services, and upon such special patrolmen, in consideration of their appointment, signing an agreement in writing releasing and waiving all claim whatever against the department and the city for pay, salary or compensation for their services and for all expenses connected therewith; but the special patrolmen so appointed shall be subject to the orders of the commissioner and shall obey the rules and regulations of the department and conform to its general discipline and to such special regulations as may be made and shall during the term of their holding appointment possess all the powers and discharge all the duties of the force, applicable to regular members of the force.


E) The commissioner, upon the application of the head of any agency, public authority exercising jurisdiction within the city, or state agency, may appoint and swear any number of officers or employees of such agency or authority to do special duty at any place in the city, on behalf of such agency. The special patrolmen so appointed shall be subject to the orders of the commissioner and shall obey the rules and regulations of the department and conform to its general discipline and to such special regulations as may be made and shall during the term of their holding appointment possess all the powers and discharge all the duties of a peace officer while in the performance of their official duties. An appointment as a special patrolman may be revoked at any time by the commissioner, without assigning cause therefor, and nothing in this section contained shall be construed to constitute such special patrolmen members of the force, or to entitle them to the privileges of the regular members of the force, or to receive any additional salary, pay, compensation or moneys whatever from the department or the city by reason of such appointment, or to share in the police pension fund. Every special patrolman appointed pursuant to the provisions of this subdivision is hereby authorized and empowered to proceed under the provisions of the criminal procedure law in the same manner and with like force and effect as a member of the force in respect to procuring, countersigning and serving the summons referred to therein.

[TruGuardian]

OK...here's the real answer.

MPTC - Peace officers, are limited Police officers.

Special Patrolman, are Limited PEACE OFFICERS.


School Safety Agents; Parking Control Specialists; Taxi and Limousine Inspectors; Urban Park Rangers; Evidence and Property Control Specialists, have arrest powers on-duty & off duty within the confines of the five counties of NYC. The NYPD Commissioner can not grant arrest powers to a special patrolman outside the five counties of NYC.

MPTC- Peace Officer has arrest powers off-duty throughout the state of New York, and on-duty in his jurisdiction or geographical area of employment, if not both.

[NYCTNT]

At the end of the day. Your still allowed to make an arrest.

Special Patrolmen do not have the luxury of having 24/7 peace officer status. But.. Who cares. Always be a good witness anyway. Only select nyc agency special patrolmen have 24/7. Others do not.

I know some people are reading this and wondering.. Hmm...

No.. You cannot carry off duty or buy a personal gun and carry off duty. No.. If your agency does not issue firearms or are trained to qualify at the range with your agency.. You do not magically qualify for hr218.

Note:

Only a Handful of peace officers in CPL 2.10 maintain status 24/7 and carry 24/7. And qualify for retirement carry permit and hr218 "qualified".

[us veteran]

Man you guys are truely informed, goes to show law enforcement is a complex. Profession. So for example , a limited police officer has more "authority" than a limited peace officer, ok I get it now thanks.

[CountyCorrectionOfficer]

At the end of the day. Your still allowed to make an arrest.

Special Patrolmen do not have the luxury of having 24/7 peace officer status. But.. Who cares. Always be a good witness anyway. Only select nyc agency special patrolmen have 24/7. Others do not.

I know some people are reading this and wondering.. Hmm...

No.. You cannot carry off duty or buy a personal gun and carry off duty. No.. If your agency does not issue firearms or are trained to qualify at the range with your agency.. You do not magically qualify for hr218.

Note:

Only a Handful of peace officers in CPL 2.10 maintain status 24/7 and carry 24/7. And qualify for retirement carry permit and hr218 "qualified".

Correction,[state]court,parole and probation officers come into mind.

[Dinosaur32]

Usveteran.....there are no limited Police Officers. The NY CPL defines Police Officers. All Police Officers have the same powers. Peace Officers are also defined in the CPL. Some Peace Officer titles, such as listed by County Correction Officer, have powers that approach those of Police Officers. Other Peace Officers have limited powers as defined by the individual agencies.

[CountyCorrectionOfficer]

Usveteran.....there are no limited Police Officers. The NY CPL defines Police Officers. All Police Officers have the same powers. Peace Officers are also defined in the CPlL. Some Peace Officer titles, such as listed by County Correction Officer, have powers that approach those of Police Officers. Other Peace Officers have limited powers as defined by the individual agencies.

Lt., I don't believe usveteran is familiar with the CPL as to the definitions of peace and police officers. What adds to the confusion is the "Special Patrolman" status as codified in the CPL and NYS Town Law. Some might see a nexus between POLICE OFFICER and 'SPECIAL PATROLMAN'. But there is no such jargon/definition as a "limited police officer" as the title "special patrolman" might imply.Do you remember years ago when the rural townships had constabularies, who were poorly trained peace officers, driving town vehicles with "police" marking? Finding a village or town constabulary today in New York State is like finding a needle in a haystack. I only know of two in existence: one on Long island and the other in the Town of Lumberland in Sullivan County.

[bestbuyer2312]

Lt., I don't believe usveteran is familiar with the CPL as to the definitions of peace and police officers. What adds to the confusion is the "Special Patrolman" status as codified in the CPL and NYS Town Law. Some might see a nexus between POLICE OFFICER and 'SPECIAL PATROLMAN'. But there is no such jargon/definition as a "limited police officer" as the title "special patrolman" might imply.Do you remember years ago when the rural townships had constabularies, who were poorly trained peace officers, driving town vehicles with "police" marking? Finding a village or town constabulary today in New York State is like finding a needle in a haystack. I only know of two in existence: one on Long island and the other in the Town of Lumberland in Sullivan County.

On long island there are a handful of Constables most are on the water called "Bay constables" and their powers vary for example the village of patchogue constables have yellow lights on their cars and the village treats them like meter maids, then on the other hand in the Hamptons they have Village of West Hampton Dunes and they have "Police constables" and when civil service had a exam for the title it stated you have to be a police officer or Peace officer to apply. Special Patrolman is mostly a city def giving on duty peace officer status to certain City titles as stated above.

Link: to picture of West Hampton dunes hummer H3 http://www.27east.com/news/article.c...oad-Properties

[LINY]

Finding a village or town constabulary today in New York State is like finding a needle in a haystack. I only know of two in existence: one on Long island and the other in the Town of Lumberland in Sullivan County.

Port Jefferson in Suffolk County has armed constables. That may be what you are thinking of. Highland in Sullivan also has armed constables as does Bethel. I've seen a few constables in Westchester County too. There is also Charlton in Saratoga County, and many more. It's not a needle in a haystack but they are not common.

[CountyCorrectionOfficer]

The way it was......

Port Jefferson in Suffolk County has armed constables. That may be what you are thinking of. Highland in Sullivan also has armed constables as does Bethel. I've seen a few constables in Westchester County too. There is also Charlton in Saratoga County, and many more. It's not a needle in a haystack but they are not common.

Pretty much as you stated. Armed constabularies are a rarity. Some affluent communities that are self-insured can retain them. Other smaller,rural municipalities were told by municipal liability insurance carriers that the only ARMED town employee insured by them is fully trained police officers. Hence; many, if not most of the smaller NYS townships disbanded their armed constabularies and auxiliary police units. As with sheriff's offices in the past--employment as a deputy sheriff or town constable was political patronage. You served at the pleasure of the sheriff and the town board. Most likely, you were a political party district leader/ appointee in the party that controlled the office.

[TruGuardian]

Lt., I don't believe usveteran is familiar with the CPL as to the definitions of peace and police officers. What adds to the confusion is the "Special Patrolman" status as codified in the CPL and NYS Town Law. Some might see a nexus between POLICE OFFICER and 'SPECIAL PATROLMAN'. But there is no such jargon/definition as a "limited police officer" as the title "special patrolman" might imply.Do you remember years ago when the rural townships had constabularies, who were poorly trained peace officers, driving town vehicles with "police" marking? Finding a village or town constabulary today in New York State is like finding a needle in a haystack. I only know of two in existence: one on Long island and the other in the Town of Lumberland in Sullivan County.

Because it was a Civilian asking the question, I explicitly put it in a context for a civilian to understand...based off what civilian probably understands or knows already.

Also, Pelham Manor in westchester county also has constables.

[us veteran]

Kool stuff , guys I reviewed the NY CPL and I understand now. Again thank you.

[Dinosaur32]

It is our pleasure to post the most accurate info we can when a good question is respectfully posed.

[TruGuardian]

This Special Patrolman certification has been a sham from day one. It was designed to grant peace officer status to civilians, when the NYPD needed for whatever reason to deputize citizens to restore/maintain peace & order.

In the early days, NYC Special Officers were all certified under special patrolman. Hence, why this civilian in uniform structure is in place. By some of the agencies going the MPTC route, they have one less governing body to dictate or limit they authorities.