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  • yeah. Us appealers are just trying to stay positive.

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    • Originally posted by NyPd G View Post
      Vista are you on the job ???

      Nah- just have been through just about every kinda jam up with the process you can imagine.
      Problems with a psych exam?
      Have an upcoming
      PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM that you NEED to PREPARE for?


      If your Disqualified, Pressured too withdraw, Recieved a Proposed DQ or want to talk about the appeal process- check these guys out. Doesnt hurt too call them- free, detailed telepone consultation before
      you make up your mind.
      WWW.LAWENFORCEMENTPEPTALK.COM



      Attorney Rob Kronenberg WWW.RKRONENBERGLAW.COM

      Appeal Psychologist: Mark Lerner
      http://www.crisisdoctors.com/Site/Dr._Mark_Lerner.html

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      • Originally posted by CountyCorrectionOfficer View Post

        There is a difference between an arrest and actual conviction of an offense. Arrests are merely accusations that may or may NOT have any basis in fact. Yours is based on psychological evaluation which is totally different from an overall character background investigation.
        You may be suprised to know that NYPD, actually bases their evaluations on the original charge as opposed too final disposition of an offense.

        Unfortunately, many NYPD Psychological disqualifications are disqualifications that should have been character dq's, if even a disqualification at all. NYC CSC is aware of this and has even chided the NYPD over this.
        Last edited by Vista; 06-21-2015, 02:34 AM.
        Problems with a psych exam?
        Have an upcoming
        PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM that you NEED to PREPARE for?


        If your Disqualified, Pressured too withdraw, Recieved a Proposed DQ or want to talk about the appeal process- check these guys out. Doesnt hurt too call them- free, detailed telepone consultation before
        you make up your mind.
        WWW.LAWENFORCEMENTPEPTALK.COM



        Attorney Rob Kronenberg WWW.RKRONENBERGLAW.COM

        Appeal Psychologist: Mark Lerner
        http://www.crisisdoctors.com/Site/Dr._Mark_Lerner.html

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        • Originally posted by jay91 View Post
          I thought my exam expired next year but apparently Mr. Kronenberg said I have till 2018.
          You can check the list expiration date by calling DCAS automated line at (212) 669-1357
          Problems with a psych exam?
          Have an upcoming
          PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM that you NEED to PREPARE for?


          If your Disqualified, Pressured too withdraw, Recieved a Proposed DQ or want to talk about the appeal process- check these guys out. Doesnt hurt too call them- free, detailed telepone consultation before
          you make up your mind.
          WWW.LAWENFORCEMENTPEPTALK.COM



          Attorney Rob Kronenberg WWW.RKRONENBERGLAW.COM

          Appeal Psychologist: Mark Lerner
          http://www.crisisdoctors.com/Site/Dr._Mark_Lerner.html

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          • Originally posted by CountyCorrectionOfficer View Post
            Don't be reluctant to apply for other agencies, Jay. NYPD isn't the only game in town.
            As well as other NYPD Exams. I know someone who was psyched out once, appealed and lost. He took another nypd exam, took another psych (with a different nypd psychologist) who actually weighed his Appeal Psychologists report heavily in his decision, and passed him.
            Problems with a psych exam?
            Have an upcoming
            PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM that you NEED to PREPARE for?


            If your Disqualified, Pressured too withdraw, Recieved a Proposed DQ or want to talk about the appeal process- check these guys out. Doesnt hurt too call them- free, detailed telepone consultation before
            you make up your mind.
            WWW.LAWENFORCEMENTPEPTALK.COM



            Attorney Rob Kronenberg WWW.RKRONENBERGLAW.COM

            Appeal Psychologist: Mark Lerner
            http://www.crisisdoctors.com/Site/Dr._Mark_Lerner.html

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            • Originally posted by Vista View Post
              You may be suprised to know that NYPD, actually bases their evaluations on the original charge as opposed too final disposition of an offense.

              Unfortunately, many NYPD Psychological disqualifications are disqualifications that should have been character dq's, if even a disqualification at all. NYC CSC is aware of this and has even chided the NYPD over this.

              Character disqualifications are next to impossible to contest as New York courts has consistently ruled in favor of the appointing authority's judgement in determining fitness to positions of a sensitive nature. The only legal bar to appointment is a felony conviction.

              Psych evaluations are "hit or miss". Just an art and NOT an exact science. And "hiring and retention standards" vary from agency to agency. For example, a 'terminated for cause' former law enforcement officer would never be considered for a police or corrections position with New York State or NYC and would be "disqualified". Yet, another agency upstate would consider their overall employment record and give them a second chance given their training and experience.

              Another hiring issue that bar many from LEO appointment was the "wrongful death" theory. Meaning if the applicant with a controversial background who gets hired were to cause a wrongful death the appointing officer, himself, would be held PERSONALLY liable fro his employees' actions. The U.S. Supreme Court rectified this back in the mid-1990's absolving personal liability from the appointing officer.

              Generally speaking, to get hired in upstate New York to a police position its "who you know". Vacancies are quite scarce and applicants are many. The payscale is lousy. The local community colleges churn out MPTC certified candidates (Phase 1) at their "police academies" costing $3,000 per student. The problem is the pre-certification is only good for two years. So unless they get hired into a police position in that time frame--their certification will expire and they must ,again, repeat the BPOTC.
              Last edited by CountyCorrectionOfficer; 06-21-2015, 12:53 PM.

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              • Originally posted by Vista View Post
                As well as other NYPD Exams. I know someone who was psyched out once, appealed and lost. He took another nypd exam, took another psych (with a different nypd psychologist) who actually weighed his Appeal Psychologists report heavily in his decision, and passed him.

                That's a rarity, for one NYPD psychologist to contradict another NYPD psychologist's opinion on the record. But did he actually get hired??

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                • Originally posted by CountyCorrectionOfficer View Post

                  That's a rarity, for one NYPD psychologist to contradict another NYPD psychologist's opinion on the record. But did he actually get hired??
                  I'm currently still handing in paper work to my investigator

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                  • Originally posted by Machsmith87 View Post
                    I'm currently still handing in paper work to my investigator
                    If you're the candidate who was previously psych disqualified, lost your appeal with CSC, then re-tested with NYPD...you still face a rocky road ahead of you in getting hired by NYPD even if the psych unit passed you the second time. NYPD has a broad latitude in making appointments off a certified list of eligibles.

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                    • Originally posted by CountyCorrectionOfficer View Post
                      If you're the candidate who was previously psych disqualified, lost your appeal with CSC, then re-tested with NYPD...you still face a rocky road ahead of you in getting hired by NYPD even if the psych unit passed you the second time. NYPD has a broad latitude in making appointments off a certified list of eligibles.
                      CountyCO have you been through the NYPD process? are you on the job?

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                      • Its crazy how i provided overwhelming evidence to the NYPD but i feel like they don't even bother reading anything. Its like they could care less.

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                        • Originally posted by Vista View Post
                          Nah- just have been through just about every kinda jam up with the process you can imagine.
                          Did you give up your quest to get on? What's your current status?

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                          • NYPDg are you also appealing?

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                            • Originally posted by jay91 View Post
                              CountyCO have you been through the NYPD process? are you on the job?

                              I did undergo the NYPD process 35 years ago--no go.....moved upstate and made history as a sheriff's officer.
                              Their loss was this county's gain. I express no regrets and I am happy where I am.
                              Last edited by CountyCorrectionOfficer; 06-21-2015, 02:57 PM.

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                              • oh wow long time. I guess nothing has changed then. Any place in New York where they are hiring?

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