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  • Originally posted by CountyCorrectionOfficer View Post

    There is no requirement in New York State that Psychologists have to be licensed physicians. On the other hand, psychiatrists are licensed physicians and can prescribe psych meds.
    Let me elaborate. They do not have PHd's, they have masters degrees.

    I know the difference between a psychiatrist and psychologist
    Problems with a psych exam?
    Have an upcoming
    PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM that you NEED to PREPARE for?


    If your Disqualified, Pressured too withdraw, Recieved a Proposed DQ or want to talk about the appeal process- check these guys out. Doesnt hurt too call them- free, detailed telepone consultation before
    you make up your mind.
    WWW.LAWENFORCEMENTPEPTALK.COM



    Attorney Rob Kronenberg WWW.RKRONENBERGLAW.COM

    Appeal Psychologist: Mark Lerner
    http://www.crisisdoctors.com/Site/Dr._Mark_Lerner.html

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    • Originally posted by CountyCorrectionOfficer View Post
      Depends on what you call an "alcohol offense". Driving while intoxicated does indicate a serious lack oi never had a dei or dui. f judgement. Again, police agencies do have broad discreation in making appointments. Most of your larger metropolitan police departments have strict hiring and retention guidelines.

      From what I read from your previous posting; the NYC CSC upheld NYPD's determination of you being DQed on character issues--i.e your driving history. You might want to look at other police agencies out-of state. A stable employment history will go a long way in proving to appointing officers you're responsible and that the DWI arrest was an "isolated incident" never again to be repeated.
      Problems with a psych exam?
      Have an upcoming
      PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM that you NEED to PREPARE for?


      If your Disqualified, Pressured too withdraw, Recieved a Proposed DQ or want to talk about the appeal process- check these guys out. Doesnt hurt too call them- free, detailed telepone consultation before
      you make up your mind.
      WWW.LAWENFORCEMENTPEPTALK.COM



      Attorney Rob Kronenberg WWW.RKRONENBERGLAW.COM

      Appeal Psychologist: Mark Lerner
      http://www.crisisdoctors.com/Site/Dr._Mark_Lerner.html

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      • Let's get a few things straight:


        I never got a DUI, DWI- i barely, ever, drink. I have no respect for anyone who drives drunk, period. However i do not pass judgement and people, often do make a solitary juvenile mistake.


        I never lied to anyone or gave them false hope.Yes, i always told people apply for other departments, Take more tests and try and work on their faults- and try to show how their negative issues are in the passed. I always said Not all appeals are winnable, but you will not know until you initiate your appeal and receive the supporting documentation from NYPD that outlines the basis of their determination. Civil service Commission (particularly in NYC) are very fair people and frequently over turns wrongful and overzealous disqualifications. Many people do, get hired. Their is no magic elixir. Their is no guarantees, or certainty.


        Whenever i was messaged privately, i always told people straight up- you appeal, and you may win, lose, etc but no matter what they should explore their legal options and make their own decision. I LOST MY SECOND APPEAL-AND IM NOT BITTER ABOUT SPENDING A NICKLE OF THE MONEY. I WANTED THE JOB AND TRIED EVERY ROUTE POSSIBLE.


        I know the difference between a Psychiatrist (M.D. or D.O.) and a Psychologist (phd). Some NYPD Psychologists however, are neither. They have a Masters. Now, im not trying to denigrate a Masters- im sure their capable smart people, but id much rather have some one with better qualifications handling my case. Look, a Physicians assistant is a capable, educated and skilled practitioner and can do whatever his supervising physician allows him too- but would you want them performing complex brain surgery?


        Yes, i do know what my employers and schools wrote. This was included as part of NYPD's Legal Brief that your entitled too, but only entitled too as an appellant.


        Bottom line is, if you want the job and get a Notice of DQ or proposed DQ, you owe it too your self to explore what potential legal (appeal) avenues are available too you and make up your own mind. Even if you appeal a psychological determination and do not get hired by that agency, it would serve you well as you now have a document in hand that directly addresses that disqualification for future law enforcement applications.


        Anybody who wishes to demonize me on here, for providing some insight and encouragement into the appeal process should reevaluate what my intentions are. It serves me no benefit if anyone appeals. It's no sweat off my back, and it's of no benefit to me. But people do need to know that NYPD has a practice of wrongfully branding people psychologically disqualified based on non-psychological issues that really should be addressed in the character investigation phase of the application.


        People need to know what Implications a uncontested psychological disqualification can carry- and that an appeal goes well beyond the agency whose determination your appealing- as a Psych DQ Stays with you for life, if you let the 30 day appeal window expire.


        You can say all you want that other agencies will make a determination based off of their own tests, interviews. Etc and you are right. However, the fact that another agency deemed you psychologically unfit, is of paramount significance and carries a lot of weight either directly, or even indirectly through bias- when another agency makes their determination.


        Candidates, should always explore an appeal and make their own educated decision. It has helped numerous candidates get the job that were seeking. It has also, cleared the names of many who did not get the job.


        By telling people to just cower down, give up and accept the NYPD's determination and that NYPD's staff is infallible, perfect and without human error (which is an inherent trait of human nature)- that's would be the biggest piece of misinformation on here and is of a great disservice.
        Problems with a psych exam?
        Have an upcoming
        PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM that you NEED to PREPARE for?


        If your Disqualified, Pressured too withdraw, Recieved a Proposed DQ or want to talk about the appeal process- check these guys out. Doesnt hurt too call them- free, detailed telepone consultation before
        you make up your mind.
        WWW.LAWENFORCEMENTPEPTALK.COM



        Attorney Rob Kronenberg WWW.RKRONENBERGLAW.COM

        Appeal Psychologist: Mark Lerner
        http://www.crisisdoctors.com/Site/Dr._Mark_Lerner.html

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        • Originally posted by Mag.One View Post
          If you are granted a second interview; how long from the initial psych oral do you get called in for it?
          Whenever they get to it. No time frame. Usually no more than 6 months.
          Problems with a psych exam?
          Have an upcoming
          PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM that you NEED to PREPARE for?


          If your Disqualified, Pressured too withdraw, Recieved a Proposed DQ or want to talk about the appeal process- check these guys out. Doesnt hurt too call them- free, detailed telepone consultation before
          you make up your mind.
          WWW.LAWENFORCEMENTPEPTALK.COM



          Attorney Rob Kronenberg WWW.RKRONENBERGLAW.COM

          Appeal Psychologist: Mark Lerner
          http://www.crisisdoctors.com/Site/Dr._Mark_Lerner.html

          Comment


          • Originally posted by Vista View Post
            Let's get a few things straight:


            I never got a DUI, DWI- i barely, ever, drink. I have no respect for anyone who drives drunk, period. However i do not pass judgement and people, often do make a solitary juvenile mistake.


            I never lied to anyone or gave them false hope.Yes, i always told people apply for other departments, Take more tests and try and work on their faults- and try to show how their negative issues are in the passed. I always said Not all appeals are winnable, but you will not know until you initiate your appeal and receive the supporting documentation from NYPD that outlines the basis of their determination. Civil service Commission (particularly in NYC) are very fair people and frequently over turns wrongful and overzealous disqualifications. Many people do, get hired. Their is no magic elixir. Their is no guarantees, or certainty.


            Whenever i was messaged privately, i always told people straight up- you appeal, and you may win, lose, etc but no matter what they should explore their legal options and make their own decision. I LOST MY SECOND APPEAL-AND IM NOT BITTER ABOUT SPENDING A NICKLE OF THE MONEY. I WANTED THE JOB AND TRIED EVERY ROUTE POSSIBLE.


            I know the difference between a Psychiatrist (M.D. or D.O.) and a Psychologist (phd). Some NYPD Psychologists however, are neither. They have a Masters. Now, im not trying to denigrate a Masters- im sure their capable smart people, but id much rather have some one with better qualifications handling my case. Look, a Physicians assistant is a capable, educated and skilled practitioner and can do whatever his supervising physician allows him too- but would you want them performing complex brain surgery?


            Yes, i do know what my employers and schools wrote. This was included as part of NYPD's Legal Brief that your entitled too, but only entitled too as an appellant.


            Bottom line is, if you want the job and get a Notice of DQ or proposed DQ, you owe it too your self to explore what potential legal (appeal) avenues are available too you and make up your own mind. Even if you appeal a psychological determination and do not get hired by that agency, it would serve you well as you now have a document in hand that directly addresses that disqualification for future law enforcement applications.


            Anybody who wishes to demonize me on here, for providing some insight and encouragement into the appeal process should reevaluate what my intentions are. It serves me no benefit if anyone appeals. It's no sweat off my back, and it's of no benefit to me. But people do need to know that NYPD has a practice of wrongfully branding people psychologically disqualified based on non-psychological issues that really should be addressed in the character investigation phase of the application.


            People need to know what Implications a uncontested psychological disqualification can carry- and that an appeal goes well beyond the agency whose determination your appealing- as a Psych DQ Stays with you for life, if you let the 30 day appeal window expire.


            You can say all you want that other agencies will make a determination based off of their own tests, interviews. Etc and you are right. However, the fact that another agency deemed you psychologically unfit, is of paramount significance and carries a lot of weight either directly, or even indirectly through bias- when another agency makes their determination.


            Candidates, should always explore an appeal and make their own educated decision. It has helped numerous candidates get the job that were seeking. It has also, cleared the names of many who did not get the job.


            By telling people to just cower down, give up and accept the NYPD's determination and that NYPD's staff is infallible, perfect and without human error (which is an inherent trait of human nature)- that's would be the biggest piece of misinformation on here and is of a great disservice.

            Yes, Vista; the NYPD hiring process is not perfect but it is quite standardized in gathering background data in hiring and evaluating potential police officer candidates. For your information; NYPD candidate background investigations are "sealed" records. These records, and the particulars contained in them, are NOT made available to the general public or to another police agency. NYPD does not participate in other police agencies' background investigations of their candidates. You place great emphasis on physiological testing of police candidates and the potential damage of a 'physiological disqualification'. Yet, most of your medium to smaller sized Law Enforcement Agencies do not perform physiological testing on their candidates or make them go before an oral interview with a physiologist .

            Furthermore;, the vast majority of NYPD candidate disqualifications are upheld by the CSC. Even in rare cases, when the CSC rules in favor of the applicant over the department--the City has the right to take the contested matter into State Supreme Court--which often they will do. Candidate disqualification appeals cost $$$$ and attorneys practicing this type of law don't come cheap!! More so, these attorneys will tell you 'you have a solid case against the city' but before they will proceed with the appeal they will ask you for their legal fees UPFRONT. I would venture you spent close to TEN grand in legal fees that made a law firm happy but did not get you the NYPD position you were seeking.
            Last edited by CountyCorrectionOfficer; 07-26-2014, 11:21 AM.

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              Last edited by PoliceSeeker; 07-26-2014, 11:27 AM.

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              • Originally posted by CountyCorrectionOfficer View Post

                Yes, Vista; the NYPD hiring process is not perfect but it is quite standardized in gathering background data in hiring and evaluating potential police officer candidates. For your information; NYPD candidate background investigations are "sealed" records. These records, and the particulars contained in them, are NOT made available to the general public or to another police agency. NYPD does not participate in other police agencies' background investigations of their candidates. You place great emphasis on physiological testing of police candidates and the potential damage of a 'physiological disqualification'. Yet, most of your medium to smaller sized Law Enforcement Agencies do not perform physiological testing on their candidates or make them go before an oral interview with a physiologist .

                Furthermore;, the vast majority of NYPD candidate disqualifications are upheld by the CSC. Even in rare cases, when the CSC rules in favor of the applicant over the department--the City has the right to take the contested matter into State Supreme Court--which often they will do. Candidate disqualification appeals cost $$$$ and attorneys practicing this type of law don't come cheap!! More so, these attorneys will tell you 'you have a solid case against the city' but before they will proceed with the appeal they will ask you for their legal fees UPFRONT. I would venture you spent close to TEN grand in legal fees that made a law firm happy but did not get you the NYPD position you were seeking.
                Dinosaur32, you can chime in on this response if you want.

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                • Originally posted by CountyCorrectionOfficer View Post

                  Yet, most of your medium to smaller sized Law Enforcement Agencies do not perform physiological testing on their candidates or make them go before an oral interview with a physiologist.
                  Sorry but you're wrong on that. Tell me one agency today that doesn't give candidates a psychological exam. The psych is one of the key phases of determining whether a candidate is suitable for the job.

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                  • Originally posted by LINY View Post
                    Sorry but you're wrong on that. Tell me one agency today that doesn't give candidates a psychological exam. The psych is one of the key phases of determining whether a candidate is suitable for the job.
                    Hint LINY: rural upstate small town New York and down South. Mine does the non-binding written Minnesota Multiphasic personality Inventory (MMPI). This is given AFTER being hired. The town I live in uses part-time police officers and the town don't do "psych testing" for new hires.

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                    • Originally posted by CountyCorrectionOfficer View Post
                      Hint LINY: rural upstate small town New York and down South. Mine does the non-binding written Minnesota Multiphasic personality Inventory (MMPI). This is given AFTER being hired. The town I live in uses part-time police officers and the town don't do "psych testing" for new hires.
                      If that is true that is just asking for trouble. You're quick to mention liability regarding the auxiliary police program in other threads but not giving a police officer any sort of 'psych testing' is a much bigger liability issue.

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                      • I believe Vista wrote that he took a DWI collar. That is all the NYPD cares about. The arrest, not the conviction. Basically, once a candidate is DQ'd he stays DQ'd. You may win a skirmish but not much chance of winning the war.

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                        • Originally posted by LINY View Post
                          If that is true that is just asking for trouble. You're quick to mention liability regarding the auxiliary police program in other threads but not giving a police officer any sort of 'psych testing' is a much bigger liability issue.

                          Psych testing for police officer candidates has only come about in the past thirty years. Prior to the 1980's, it was virtually non-existent. Liability is seen in the eyes of the beholder and has been defined by case law and court decisions on the state and national level. There was a time when police chiefs/commissioners and county sheriffs were held personally liable for what is deemed 'negligent hiring and/or retention' of law enforcement personnel. However; this was changed by a U.S. Supreme Court ruling (1995) involving an Arkansas sheriff in hiring his nephew as a deputy sheriff with multiple misdemeanor assault convictions in his background.

                          Firearms and use of force has the potential of liability and economic loss to any public or private employer that allows their employees to carry weapons in the course of their duties.

                          As far as liability in the auxiliary police programs that exists in New York State--the carrying of weapons while on volunteer auxiliary police duty does create a greater problem than a full-time professional officer such as yourself. It takes time,experience,effort and proper training to make a good professional LEO able to make sound judgements. Police unions are quite strong in New York and carry a lot of clout with the state law makers. For one thing; they don't want volunteers doing their jobs and taking away their overtime.

                          LINY,In the past you have mentioned LAPD reserve officer program which is a three tiered volunteer program. Police volunteerism is quite acceptable down South and out West but the opposite is true in the Northeast with the disbanding of many civil defense AP units as the cold war between the United States and the Soviet Union waned down.
                          Last edited by CountyCorrectionOfficer; 07-27-2014, 08:19 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by Dinosaur32 View Post
                            I believe Vista wrote that he took a DWI collar. That is all the NYPD cares about. The arrest, not the conviction. Basically, once a candidate is DQ'd he stays DQ'd. You may win a skirmish but not much chance of winning the war.
                            Negative character disqualifications are next to impossible to overturn on appeal. NY Courts have consistently ruled in favor of the police/corrections agency in sustaining their hiring standards.

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                            • Originally posted by Dinosaur32 View Post
                              I believe Vista wrote that he took a DWI collar. That is all the NYPD cares about. The arrest, not the conviction. Basically, once a candidate is DQ'd he stays DQ'd. You may win a skirmish but not much chance of winning the war.
                              Never took a DWI/DUI collar. Ever. Never drove intoxicated. My brother and sister were nearly killed by a drunk driver. I have zero respect or tolerance for it. I rarely, even drink. Maybe a beer with hot wings, red wine with a steak. But, out of all the stupid inmature **** indidnin my juvenile years/ never would do that.
                              Problems with a psych exam?
                              Have an upcoming
                              PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM that you NEED to PREPARE for?


                              If your Disqualified, Pressured too withdraw, Recieved a Proposed DQ or want to talk about the appeal process- check these guys out. Doesnt hurt too call them- free, detailed telepone consultation before
                              you make up your mind.
                              WWW.LAWENFORCEMENTPEPTALK.COM



                              Attorney Rob Kronenberg WWW.RKRONENBERGLAW.COM

                              Appeal Psychologist: Mark Lerner
                              http://www.crisisdoctors.com/Site/Dr._Mark_Lerner.html

                              Comment


                              • [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.701961)]Right- no one is perfect. If anyone proclaims their perfection, their a liar.[/COLOR]
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                                [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.701961)]My cost was not even remotely close to 10k. I believe my total cost was somewhere around $3800 for the psych appeal for both the attorney and psychologist. My character appeal, was handled pro bono (attorney worked on that for free). My initial consultation fee, for the psych was around $375.00- and was for a lengthy psychological office visit. After we received my psych file, thats when we sat down and decided just how formidable of an argument/case i would have and paid the balance to the psychologist (and spent 5-6 hours addressing the NYPD's case). I then paid the legal fee (both charges were flat fee's- not an hourly fee structure, like most attorneys use- which adds up). [/COLOR]
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                                [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.701961)]And, the Civil Service Commission DOES frequently overturn psych disqualifications- and thats what this thread pertains too. (In fact, the attorney i used, was him self disqualified from NYPD when he was younger and went on to become a captain before vesting out after 15 years to practice law- and of course,all of this after he appealed and won). [/COLOR]
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                                [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.701961)]Its my belief- from friends at APD, NYPD Will Release a disqualified candidate's file, as they have no vested interest in a "dead" candidate, and hence have no reason not too. Even if they will not, you will always be required to disclose that you were disqualified to other agencies, and, that in itself would evoke many questions- such as, WHY? Having documentation in hand directly addressing this matter, would be of paramount significance. If you do have concrete information regarding what they would release, please PM me and id like to know more about this and how you are certain. Im open too learn more. (Yes, i do know NYPD is traditionally reluctant and particularly uncooperative with other agencies- "linkage blindness"). Furthermore, some agencies- most Notably the Port Auth. have been known to demand that candidates sue an employer, or any party or entity who is withholding information that may hinder their ability to execute a fully vetted investigation. (Particularly ones who are employed by NYPD who wish to transfer over). [/COLOR]
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                                [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.701961)]Character disqualifications, are, admittedly more difficult to appeal- as their based on a looser criteria as they have no real basis in medicine, or science as purported in other types of disqualifications. And yes, even if you do win a character appeal an agency can still deselect a candidate through the "1 in 3 rule" which is basically unappealable but somewhat difficult for an agency to do. (Had the NYPD just jammed me up on the character / background, id have understood).[/COLOR]
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                                [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.701961)]Yes, both the NYPD, or a candidate does have the option to challenge the Civil service Commissions determination within 4 months of the csc's decision, through an "article 78 proceeding". Since you brought it up, you should also speak of just how successful these are and that this option, is open to both the NYPD and the Candidate. You shod also mention that these proceedings are rarely if ever successful unless it can be proven that civil service Commissions determination was made in bad faith, or "arbitrary and capricious" in nature . The Supreme Court will not and can not re-perform the function of a civil service appeal panel and perform a "de novo" review of the case (basically evaluate everything from the beginning and substitute its own judgement based on its own opinion of the total facts at hand).This issue has been addressed a few times, by the NYS Appellate Court.[/COLOR]
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                                [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.701961)] The supreme court has repeatedly ruled that it will NOT encroach upon, and substitute its own judgement for Civil Service Commissions determination as they have a wide discretion in deciding these matters. This is a double edged sword that cut's both ways. I have yet to read one Article 78 Proceeding, filed by either NYPD OR a Candidate that was adjudicated in the petitioners favor. For this reason, based on my research and my attorneys advice i did not pursue it too this level (and, had the attorney been interested in making more money he would have pushed me to proceed- which he didnt). These proceedings, cost upwards of $8000-$10000 dollars to do. [/COLOR]
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                                [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.701961)]And- If NYPD opted to go this route- they are petitioning the court for an injunction against Civil Service Commission who will be responsible to defend their own decision with their attorney- and they will, to protect the sanctity and foundational purpose of the commission. A candidate has the option of filing a cross motion to an NYPD Article 78, but this is not a requirement as the CSC does just fine in defending their own determination. [/COLOR]
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                                [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.701961)]Once again- if your DQ, call multiple attorneys, psychologists, and feel them out. From my experience, the guys i used were very good, honest, fair and straight forward. They never provided any type of false expectations and were totally honest and forthcoming in the possibility of all potential outcomes. They were neither the cheapest, nor more expensive. [/COLOR]
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                                [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.701961)]Any candidate who is DQ owes it to them self to evaluate their own situation using all the resources and options available to them, and make their own decision. The guys i used, do a free lengthy consultation. A candidate should at least get too the point in which they get their psych file, and see whats written about them and then decide. This is also helpful, if you wish to know what the concerns were if you harbor any intention of working on those concerns, and place them in the distant passed. The vintage of a concerning event has a great bearing on its applicability, and significance (they base their determinations on SFR- Severity, Frequency, Recency). [/COLOR]
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                                [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.701961)]Their is also the question of just how "smoothed over" and bias the department's Psychologists analytical report is. (Spence (1982) has noted in the psychoanalytic therapy situation that psychological analysts tend to “smooth” the patient’s narrative, omitting some details and magnifying others, so that it supports a pre-established explanation, or, as frequently in the NYPD's case- a preset internally established criteria (basically a checklist of automatic dq's) about the former’s problem. Also, the Analyst also tends to err on the side of caution and focus on False Negatives, as opposed too false positives. (Even know their supposed too be unbiased, the assumption of them being a neutral party would be naive). [/COLOR]
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                                [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.701961)] Telling a candidate to just give up, because it is the proverbial end of the road and encourage them not to evaluate their options is deceitful at best, and malicious at worst. They should see whats written about them, and evaluate if they have any basis to provide a clearer, greater, more detailed narrative including any rationalization of any negatives, put in proper perspective as to their fitness for candidacy for the position they seek, as well as properly contrast any positive traits that were omitted either intentionally, or due to an incomplete assesment. Needless to say, any misinformation, etc, would also be addressed. [/COLOR]
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                                [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.701961)]With that said, we can all agree that not all disqualifications are wrongful, or not made in sound judgement or basis. But, its impossible for an agency to make a complete and accurate determination when an interview is around 45 minutes. [/COLOR]
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                                [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.701961)](Notably, A friends psych dq was merely based off of documentation of a different candidate with the same name that landed in his file. Simple error that screwed him up.) [/COLOR]
                                Last edited by Vista; 07-27-2014, 06:22 PM.
                                Problems with a psych exam?
                                Have an upcoming
                                PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM that you NEED to PREPARE for?


                                If your Disqualified, Pressured too withdraw, Recieved a Proposed DQ or want to talk about the appeal process- check these guys out. Doesnt hurt too call them- free, detailed telepone consultation before
                                you make up your mind.
                                WWW.LAWENFORCEMENTPEPTALK.COM



                                Attorney Rob Kronenberg WWW.RKRONENBERGLAW.COM

                                Appeal Psychologist: Mark Lerner
                                http://www.crisisdoctors.com/Site/Dr._Mark_Lerner.html

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