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  • Originally posted by Melvindrbk View Post
    They are rough when it comes to alcohol usage. You told the doctor you drink every weekend ? According to them, that's not a good pattern. However, most cops drink like that. It's kind of ironic they disqualify people because of that.


    Sent from my House Phone!!
    And you got this statistic from where now??? Unbelievable what people try and blow off as "normal" behavior. Thank God APD monitors these threads.
    Now go home and get your shine box!

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    • Originally posted by CCCSD View Post
      And you got this statistic from where now??? Unbelievable what people try and blow off as "normal" behavior. Thank God APD monitors these threads.
      Why you always have something to say ? We are here trying to get help, you are not helping the cause. You pointing fingers at everybody. That's not cool


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      • Originally posted by CCCSD View Post
        And you got this statistic from where now??? Unbelievable what people try and blow off as "normal" behavior. Thank God APD monitors these threads.
        I noticed these rejected candidates on this thread have a troubling tendency to rationalize poor behavior by substituting misinformation.

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        • Originally posted by Melvindrbk View Post
          Why you always have something to say ? We are here trying to get help, you are not helping the cause. You pointing fingers at everybody. That's not cool


          Sent from my House Phone!!
          I'm ensuring that people with attitudes get confronted. Seems most of you who post here are so busy excusing your failures and blaming everyone else that you forget that it's YOU who's a failure.

          Melvin, you just need to grow up and get off your "I'm special" horse.
          Now go home and get your shine box!

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          • Sometimes there just is no "help". For example, don't you understand that the NYPD and its docs know what habits cops develop during their careers? Why would NYPD hire a candidate who has exhibited a drinking problem before he is even hired? As to character faults, as has been mentioned numerous times here, character DQs are virtually impossible to overturn. Again, why would NYPD hire a candidate who has been involved in what could be considered criminal conduct and then did not report that conduct during the hiring process? Could the job trust that your conduct would always be above reproach when acting in your official capacity? That's what you have to step back and look at. This forum will not be a source of ways to get around or reverse a DQ. Read most of Vista's posts. He has posted quite a bit of useful information. But always remember, even if you get everything reversed and make it to the Academy, you can be fired with no recourse during your time in the Academy and during the remainder of your probationary time. One misstep and you're out.

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            • Originally posted by Dinosaur32 View Post
              Sometimes there just is no "help". For example, don't you understand that the NYPD and its docs know what habits cops develop during their careers? Why would NYPD hire a candidate who has exhibited a drinking problem before he is even hired? As to character faults, as has been mentioned numerous times here, character DQs are virtually impossible to overturn. Again, why would NYPD hire a candidate who has been involved in what could be considered criminal conduct and then did not report that conduct during the hiring process? Could the job trust that your conduct would always be above reproach when acting in your official capacity? That's what you have to step back and look at. This forum will not be a source of ways to get around or reverse a DQ. Read most of Vista's posts. He has posted quite a bit of useful information. But always remember, even if you get everything reversed and make it to the Academy, you can be fired with no recourse during your time in the Academy and during the remainder of your probationary time. One misstep and you're out.

              What I want to add to your comments, LT. Is that even if a candidate does make it through the academy and the probationary period: The possibility of NYS Civil Service Law Article 75 disciplinary charges are in full force for any misconduct, on or off-duty, or incompetency. Disciplinary penalties in the NYPD is swift, certain and severe.

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              • As it should be.
                Now go home and get your shine box!

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                • Originally posted by Lijames631 View Post
                  The same thing happen to me . Took my oral psych 3 weeks ago was put on review for high school Records, my school faxed them over and I can't get any answers or anything. My dr is Part time so she doesn't have a email. And my exam expires in May and I can't do my JST OR MIN-MED until am off review.
                  I got called for jst and mini while on review. Their is a total disconnect with scheduling unit. Frankly, its a waste of time doing either while on review. They only last 6-12 months and must he repeated- you could easily be on review that long.
                  Problems with a psych exam?
                  Have an upcoming
                  PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM that you NEED to PREPARE for?


                  If your Disqualified, Pressured too withdraw, Recieved a Proposed DQ or want to talk about the appeal process- check these guys out. Doesnt hurt too call them- free, detailed telepone consultation before
                  you make up your mind.
                  WWW.LAWENFORCEMENTPEPTALK.COM



                  Attorney Rob Kronenberg WWW.RKRONENBERGLAW.COM

                  Appeal Psychologist: Mark Lerner
                  http://www.crisisdoctors.com/Site/Dr._Mark_Lerner.html

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                  • Originally posted by mike_s1234 View Post
                    ...you realize that once you re-open you're going to be held up by psych, too right?. I really don't get why people take this sort of risk. Psych also digs into backgrounds--you're BI and psych work together, for all you know, psych passed this to APD, if they didn't, then APD is sending it in a memo to psych.

                    You didn't disclose it because you didn't think anyone would find out. Those are the clear facts that you've given them to go on. If you're going to lie to get the job, they expect that you're going to lie once you're on it. Just because there isn't a record, doesn't mean it didn't happen...just like OJ wasn't convicted of murder...doesn't mean he didn't do it.

                    Failire to disclose / deception / lieing- is the worst type of disqualifications. It has sure and lasting implications on all future applications.
                    Problems with a psych exam?
                    Have an upcoming
                    PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM that you NEED to PREPARE for?


                    If your Disqualified, Pressured too withdraw, Recieved a Proposed DQ or want to talk about the appeal process- check these guys out. Doesnt hurt too call them- free, detailed telepone consultation before
                    you make up your mind.
                    WWW.LAWENFORCEMENTPEPTALK.COM



                    Attorney Rob Kronenberg WWW.RKRONENBERGLAW.COM

                    Appeal Psychologist: Mark Lerner
                    http://www.crisisdoctors.com/Site/Dr._Mark_Lerner.html

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                    • Originally posted by PETE3319 View Post
                      So I'll go through psych, big deal. I went through psych the first time and passed. I don't have anything to hide from them regarding what took place. I didn't disclose it because it asked for disciplinary action from school. I wasn't disciplined. The matter was over and done with in 20 minutes. My investigator called me and asked what happened. I wrote a few statements and was on my way. I was called later on and said its a no go to the academy and advisable to withdraw. The main thing they're ****ed about is that I didn't tell em.


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                      To tell you the truth- if that IS what happaned and that is all thats negative in your history, i wouldnt withdraw.
                      Problems with a psych exam?
                      Have an upcoming
                      PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM that you NEED to PREPARE for?


                      If your Disqualified, Pressured too withdraw, Recieved a Proposed DQ or want to talk about the appeal process- check these guys out. Doesnt hurt too call them- free, detailed telepone consultation before
                      you make up your mind.
                      WWW.LAWENFORCEMENTPEPTALK.COM



                      Attorney Rob Kronenberg WWW.RKRONENBERGLAW.COM

                      Appeal Psychologist: Mark Lerner
                      http://www.crisisdoctors.com/Site/Dr._Mark_Lerner.html

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                      • Originally posted by JaeTM View Post
                        I understand what you're saying, but like I said, those were in my college days. I'm 25 now so it's not like it hasn't happened in a few years. But, she formed an opinion and obviously they're sticking to it. I'm not trying to convince anyone here.

                        My question was, at this point in time, am I heading to the way of an attorney as they'll never reverse their decision? If so, I'll just withdraw now. But if all I have to do is get a psychologist and she can vouch for me and the NYPD will give me a 2nd interview I'll do it.
                        If you withdraw, your psychological record delineating your disqualification will always remain with NYPD and will always be there too haunt you. If you appeal, you will benefit in two ways for sure- 1) You will be able to view your records, and understand what everyone else will see on future applications 2) You will be able to have a record in hand, addressing NYPD's concern's and correcting any possible false perceptions by NYPD's psychologist.

                        Also, if you appeal- NYPD Civil Service Commision is one of the most liberal Civil Service Commision's. They frequently overturn NYPD Psych Cases- and in some cases went as far as chastising NYPD Psych. For what they felt to be frivolous determinations. They do know that there are NYPD Psychologists who are good, and some who's reports tend to be disjointed and make no sense. (My Original NYpD Psychologist was terminated by NYPD)

                        before you withdraw, call Rob Kronenberg- 631-234-4434. He will spend a good 20 minutes explaining everything, your options, their implications, etc. he does not charge for this. If you decide not to go through with it, he will never call back and nag you to retain him. You have nothing to lose by calling him. He's the only one that ive found that will talk to you, candidly by phone- without immideately talking prices and pressuring you to come in for an appointment (and charge a consult fee)

                        He and Dr Lerner, who handle the appeal cases with him do have a very good working relationship with the Civil Service Commision, as well. They have consulted with him (Kronenberg) on issues in the passed. He also has a good repore with Psych Services director- he is a common name down there. He know's the NYPD, how they work, what to do and what not to do (like he advised against article 78's even know he coulda charged thousands of dollars for them).

                        Id never withdraw- heres how future LEO Interviews will go..

                        What Happaned with NYPD?

                        I withdrew.

                        Why?

                        I was going to be disqualified. (Your only answer, because thats what the record will show when they request it).

                        Good luck- if you speak to him, tell him i said hello. Havent spoken to them in some time.
                        Problems with a psych exam?
                        Have an upcoming
                        PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM that you NEED to PREPARE for?


                        If your Disqualified, Pressured too withdraw, Recieved a Proposed DQ or want to talk about the appeal process- check these guys out. Doesnt hurt too call them- free, detailed telepone consultation before
                        you make up your mind.
                        WWW.LAWENFORCEMENTPEPTALK.COM



                        Attorney Rob Kronenberg WWW.RKRONENBERGLAW.COM

                        Appeal Psychologist: Mark Lerner
                        http://www.crisisdoctors.com/Site/Dr._Mark_Lerner.html

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                        • Originally posted by CCCSD View Post
                          Ever thought that JUST MAYBE the shrink is right and some should not be cops..? It amazes me how everyone here immediately "knows" , based on THEIR personal opinions, that they are the victims of the psych exam. There is a reason you failed.
                          I'll concede that they do get it right, often. But- one also must concede they do get it wrong frequently as well (hiring a cannibal cop, a cop who detonated a pipe bomb near another officers house, etc).

                          My initial decision too appeal, was so i could review my own records and decide from there. I expected to read something much more concise and detailed abut my self, but instead was a one or two page narrative that was largely taken out of context (at minimum) and actually was factually innacurate. Interestingly, the Psychologists handwritten notes were for the most part contextually accurate- yet her offical report contradicted her handwritten notes. Candidates should
                          be glad shes no longer there (now is a inmate counselor at rikers).

                          Theirs good and bad in every profession- even psychologists, medical doctors, etc. even the ones who graduate bottom
                          of their class still get the professional designation. If a Doctor told me
                          i needed surgery- i'd get a second opinion too. I think dq'd candidates owe it to them selves to read whats written about them, and introspectively think about it from there. (Also gives a good reference point on how to change for the future).
                          Problems with a psych exam?
                          Have an upcoming
                          PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM that you NEED to PREPARE for?


                          If your Disqualified, Pressured too withdraw, Recieved a Proposed DQ or want to talk about the appeal process- check these guys out. Doesnt hurt too call them- free, detailed telepone consultation before
                          you make up your mind.
                          WWW.LAWENFORCEMENTPEPTALK.COM



                          Attorney Rob Kronenberg WWW.RKRONENBERGLAW.COM

                          Appeal Psychologist: Mark Lerner
                          http://www.crisisdoctors.com/Site/Dr._Mark_Lerner.html

                          Comment


                          • Originally posted by Vista View Post
                            Failire to disclose / deception / lieing- is the worst type of disqualifications. It has sure and lasting implications on all future applications.

                            Quick quiz for you. Do you know what a misstatement (or omission) of material fact is??

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                            • Originally posted by Vista View Post
                              If you withdraw, your psychological record delineating your disqualification will always remain with NYPD and will always be there too haunt you. If you appeal, you will benefit in two ways for sure- 1) You will be able to view your records, and understand what everyone else will see on future applications 2) You will be able to have a record in hand, addressing NYPD's concern's and correcting any possible false perceptions by NYPD's psychologist.

                              Also, if you appeal- NYPD Civil Service Commision is one of the most liberal Civil Service Commision's. They frequently overturn NYPD Psych Cases- and in some cases went as far as chastising NYPD Psych. For what they felt to be frivolous determinations. They do know that there are NYPD Psychologists who are good, and some who's reports tend to be disjointed and make no sense. (My Original NYpD Psychologist was terminated by NYPD)

                              before you withdraw, call Rob Kronenberg- 631-234-4434. He will spend a good 20 minutes explaining everything, your options, their implications, etc. he does not charge for this. If you decide not to go through with it, he will never call back and nag you to retain him. You have nothing to lose by calling him. He's the only one that ive found that will talk to you, candidly by phone- without immideately talking prices and pressuring you to come in for an appointment (and charge a consult fee)

                              He and Dr Lerner, who handle the appeal cases with him do have a very good working relationship with the Civil Service Commision, as well. They have consulted with him (Kronenberg) on issues in the passed. He also has a good repore with Psych Services director- he is a common name down there. He know's the NYPD, how they work, what to do and what not to do (like he advised against article 78's even know he coulda charged thousands of dollars for them).

                              Id never withdraw- heres how future LEO Interviews will go..

                              What Happaned with NYPD?

                              I withdrew.

                              Why?

                              I was going to be disqualified. (Your only answer, because thats what the record will show when they request it).

                              Good luck- if you speak to him, tell him i said hello. Havent spoken to them in some time.
                              Having one's name restored to the certified list of eligibles by the NYC CSC is no guarantee that NYPD will appoint that person.

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                              • Originally posted by Vista View Post
                                I'll concede that they do get it right, often. But- one also must concede they do get it wrong frequently as well (hiring a cannibal cop, a cop who detonated a pipe bomb near another officers house, etc).

                                My initial decision too appeal, was so i could review my own records and decide from there. I expected to read something much more concise and detailed abut my self, but instead was a one or two page narrative that was largely taken out of context (at minimum) and actually was factually innacurate. Interestingly, the Psychologists handwritten notes were for the most part contextually accurate- yet her offical report contradicted her handwritten notes. Candidates should
                                be glad shes no longer there (now is a inmate counselor at rikers).

                                Theirs good and bad in every profession- even psychologists, medical doctors, etc. even the ones who graduate bottom
                                of their class still get the professional designation. If a Doctor told me
                                i needed surgery- i'd get a second opinion too. I think dq'd candidates owe it to them selves to read whats written about them, and introspectively think about it from there. (Also gives a good reference point on how to change for the future).
                                Psychology is an art and not an exact science but PAST poor behavior is often an indicator of future misconduct. Hence, a potential liability issue might present itself. Each new hire is a calculated risk.

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