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  • Originally posted by PAPD 8-2 View Post
    ^^^^ your opinion is greatly respected but in this case it has no bearing on NYPD operations. NYPD is a totally different animal. NYPD obsorbed Transit PD and Housing PD back in 1994. A couple of years later it obsorded NYC board of education school safety and NYC Traffic enforcement. All are under the NYPD now, school safety have peace officer status in NYS and traffic are civilians but they can write "some moving violations". School safety can make arrest in and around school grounds. They are not armed but they have cuffs and a radio.

    The issue in this thread is the vehicles they drive. School safety use to drive blue and white rmp's and traffic use to drive Brown vehicles before they moved to the blue like school safety however now they drive white and blue rmp's that look exactly like regular NYPD patrol cars with the execption on the hood and trunk it will either say in bule letters school safety or TRAFFIC.

    Some NYPD officers disapprove of this because it gives the false impression there are more cops on the street and that Sso's and traffic are not qualified situations if someone flags them down thinking they are cops.

    I agree with them that there some be some distinction between who is who because the general public doesn't know the difference but what I don't agree with is the holier than thou. Attitude that is leveled at those who are not police officers, yes you have your tools in every agency but at the end of the day some mope doesn't give 2 shyts about what your status is the mere fact they see that uniform they will try to harm you just the same. All of us in Law enforcement are all we have and we have to stick together and back each other up.
    OK maybe, but I dont think its as different as you think. If you take a step outside and look inwards. Why does the Transit PD still have a different name if its NYPD? Is it really NYPD or it is managed by the NYPD. Why not make it a specialty assignment for any NYPD officer. IS the pay the same? IS the training? Ill bet there are a lot of general policing activity that the transit cops dont deal with as often as a NYPD cop, so when they come up, and sooner or later specialty copor not they will all come up, your guys are more rusty at dealing with it. Why not have everyone just be NYPD, make field operations your first stop, learn al the basic stuff then go to transit as a specialty?

    Another possibility might be that the transit system extends beyong simpy New York and therfore a separate agency nees to cover that. thast really the only reason for a specialty PD, like your State Troopers.
    Originally posted by FJDave
    GM, you have just set the bar that much higher for the rest of us in our witty, sarcastic responses. I yield to you! Good job, kind Sir!

    District B13
    "We are not cops nor Feds." yet he still poses as an officer Hmmmm


    Grant us grace, fearlessly, to contend against evil and to make no peace with oppression.--WWII memorial

    "I have loved justice and hated iniquity, therefore I die in exile."

    Pope Gregory V II

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    • Originally posted by Garbage Man View Post
      OK maybe, but I dont think its as different as you think. If you take a step outside and look inwards. Why does the Transit PD still have a different name if its NYPD? Is it really NYPD or it is managed by the NYPD. Why not make it a specialty assignment for any NYPD officer. IS the pay the same? IS the training? Ill bet there are a lot of general policing activity that the transit cops dont deal with as often as a NYPD cop, so when they come up, and sooner or later specialty copor not they will all come up, your guys are more rusty at dealing with it. Why not have everyone just be NYPD, make field operations your first stop, learn al the basic stuff then go to transit as a specialty?

      Another possibility might be that the transit system extends beyong simpy New York and therfore a separate agency nees to cover that. thast really the only reason for a specialty PD, like your State Troopers.
      GM your thinking way too much into this.. Easy way to think of it, NY Transit and Housing police were seperate departments then in 95 were merged into NYPD. As an NYPD officer you can be sent to a housing division, transit division or precinct. School safety and traffic are seperate divisions within NYPD and are not staffed with sworn police officers but with peace officers whose duties are limited in nature.

      NYTPD only police the subway and bus system. The Long Island railroad police and Metro North police (now known as the MTA police) patrolled the trains outside the city (not including the Staten Island transit police)
      I don't answer recruitment messages....

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      • Originally posted by Garbage Man View Post
        Would you call a school cop if there was a Columbine type shooting on campus?
        You bet I wouldn't. You don't bring a nightstick to a gun fight!

        Originally posted by orlandofed5-0 View Post
        School safety and traffic are seperate divisions within NYPD and are not staffed with sworn police officers but with peace officers whose duties are limited in nature.
        Traffic aren't even Peace Officers, just Traffic directors (some of them are authorized to drive tows) but they drive cars that look nearly like RMP's.

        Originally posted by Garbage Man View Post
        Let me ask you this, cause I trully dont know the local pay salaries, does the widow of a Transit cop from 9-11 get the same pay as the widow of a NYPD cop from 9-11?
        They do, since they're the same Agency that goes through the same Academy. They used to be different as said above but now they're a specialized bureau as much as any other bureau apart of NYPD.
        Last edited by LINY; 10-16-2009, 12:39 AM.

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        • Originally posted by LINY View Post
          You bet I wouldn't. You don't bring a nightstick to a gun fight!
          Being that he said he would call them, I'd bet to say he is referring to a school police force like the LA School Police that has armed, sworn police officers. Not an unarmed School Safety type force.

          http://www.laspd.com/

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Ang...ice_Department
          Last edited by NYCAPO; 10-16-2009, 03:48 AM.
          Agencies Currently and Previously Employed By:
          NYRA Peace Officer - 2010 - 2012 & 2016 - Present
          Sea Gate Police - 2012 - 2013
          NYPD Auxiliary Police - 2009 - 2014
          NYC Department of Homeless Services Police - 2012 - 2014
          U.S. Dept. of Justice, Bureau of Prisons - 2014 - 2015

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          • Just to clarify this a little bit, school safety division does have 200+ sworn police officers. Also we do get called to shootings for building sweeps. Brooklyn ps 108- armed gunman runs into the building, agent calls it over and schoolsafety did the escorts for the kids and esu cleared the building and arrested the gunman. Now I feel that sometimes we are human shields but when we are given orders we must follow.
            Also 1 more thing traffic has peaceofficer status on truck enforcement they are called level4's and last but certainly not least we not only make arrests on school ground but anywhere in the city even on the coney island boardwalk if its a crime its a crime anywhere. Have a nice day guys!
            ....I would rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6...

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            • Ok thanks for the info guys.

              It sounds like Transit is doing it just the way I said they should. A specialty assignment for NYPD cops with same pay and training. I was confused because they wear a different patch. same pay, same training thats great. I notice that no one is complaining about transit officers looking like NYPD, but they are complaining about other agencies. Well that would be because the transit is doing it right but the other agencies arent.

              One poster described School Officer as "sworn police officers but with peace officers whose duties are limited in nature." My point remains that such an agency should not exist. and to confirm what I knew was true all the way from over here on the left coast, one school officer wrote, "Also we do get called to shootings for building sweeps." And this is the center of my whole point.

              Politicains, when deciding who is a cop and who should receive cop pay and training, look to the penal codes and review every minor subsection looking for loopholes to use to create new specialty PD's. My standard is much simpler. there is a guy shooting a machine gun into a crowd. Complying with your employers expectations are you,

              A. Running towards the gun man, or

              B. Running away?

              If its A then you are a cop who should get the full training and pay, period. I know it seems like its all differnet when you add the sky scrappers and bad weather, but it really is the same principal on the right or left coast.

              Besides who cares about white cars, just dont give them black and white
              Originally posted by FJDave
              GM, you have just set the bar that much higher for the rest of us in our witty, sarcastic responses. I yield to you! Good job, kind Sir!

              District B13
              "We are not cops nor Feds." yet he still poses as an officer Hmmmm


              Grant us grace, fearlessly, to contend against evil and to make no peace with oppression.--WWII memorial

              "I have loved justice and hated iniquity, therefore I die in exile."

              Pope Gregory V II

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              • From my knowledge, NYPD transit wears the same exact patches as the NYPD does. Same with Housing. More specialized divisions such as ESU and Highway patrol and so forth have a special patch on the left shoulder, but the right one is always the same.

                Transit isn't an Agency anymore and neither is Housing. Since the merger they have been 100 percent NYPD. It's just a Division apart of the Department, just as SWAT is apart of LAPD, Housing and Transit is apart of NYPD. If I apply for the NYPD and get into the Academy, after I leave I could be put on Patrol, Transit, or Housing.

                One thing different about NYS compared to other states is we have two classes, Police Officers, and Peace Officers which are different. California calls it's Sworn Officers Peace Officers, but over here Peace Officers are not sworn LEO's in the same respect Police Officers are.

                Originally posted by Garbage Man View Post
                Complying with your employers expectations are you,

                A. Running towards the gun man, or

                B. Running away?
                I can't say for sure, but I imagine most of them would run out of the building screaming to Central to get the Police there. They can't really do anything to take down an active shooter. They have made strides though, since 2006 they have been classified as Civil Servants and since the NYPD taking them from the Board of Education they have expanded their duties. Maybe one day they'll be able to take the Peace Officer course with Firearms training.
                Last edited by LINY; 10-16-2009, 11:19 AM.

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                • Originally posted by LINY View Post
                  I can't say for sure, but I imagine most of them would run out of the building screaming to Central to get the Police there. They can't really do anything to take down an active shooter. They have made strides though, since 2006 they have been classified as Civil Servants and since the NYPD taking them from the Board of Education they have expanded their duties. Maybe one day they'll be able to take the Peace Officer course with Firearms training.
                  You are once again talking out of your rearend. As I described in my previous post with that situation, what you said was not the case. The agent after realizing the man had a firearm initiated a total lockdown of the building a made proper notification to HQ while she awaited for the GUNS to show up she and her partner proceeded to map out a plan to safeguard the kids. As units rolled up they carried out the plan of school safety. Had. So by you saying. They would run out of the building screaming is just ignorant. Most of us actually care about the kids and are willing to save a child especially young kids. Hopefully when you become a PO you mature a little bit.
                  ....I would rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6...

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                  • but over here Peace Officers are not sworn LEO's in the same respect Police Officers are.
                    I seem to remember taking an oath. LINY can you help me out, do you know if I took an oath?
                    Kid, you need to keep this misinformation to yourself.

                    The entire reason why theres a difference between peace officers and police officers in NYS is because of primary duties. NYS Court Officers are Peace Officers because their primary duty is maintaining order in the court room, TBTA Officers are peace officers because their primary duty is movement of traffic. For our jobs we do not need Police Officer status because the job will be done THE EXACT WAY AS NOW. TBTA, NYS Courts, NYS Corrections are all peace officers, we have our powers 24/7 in the entire state of NY, and the difference between police and peace officers is extremely SMALL.
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                    • God help us all if LINY gets on the job. "nahhh sarge, I kinda understand what your saying, but your not entirely accurate. Let me help you out with that........."
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                      • Originally posted by gbotj View Post
                        I seem to remember taking an oath. LINY can you help me out, do you know if I took an oath?
                        Peace Officers aren't sworn LEO's in the same respect Police Officers are, or you would be a Police Officer. I'm not saying they never took an oath. You basically confirmed what I just said, that it's not the same, which means in not the same respect. There is a difference between a Peace Officer and Police Officer, which you pointed out as well. What's the problem?

                        In California, a Peace Officer and a Police Officer is the same exact thing. I was trying to explain the difference since in NYS there IS a difference. The cop who responds to your 911 call in NY at your house is not a Peace Officer. In California it is, since in California a Peace Officer and Police Officer are the exact same thing.

                        Originally posted by SSD1084 View Post
                        You are once again talking out of your rearend.
                        Did that armed gunman fire any shots at all? I'm talking about an active shooter situation. They're certainly not running towards the gunman, so they'd be running away. Most of the SSD's I've seen are older guys and gals who'd seem like they'd call out over the radio and take cover as soon as something like that would happen. If you're being treated like a human shield obviously something is wrong.
                        Last edited by LINY; 10-16-2009, 12:43 PM.

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                        • LINY do us all a favor please and just be quiet, the misinformation you are spewing is irdiculous.

                          Peace officer and police officer difference is very small as gbotj pointed out. With respect to TBTA and court officers the only difference is peace officers can't execute search warrants except for court officers. And pension status, othwise we got the same toys, same tactics..


                          I suggest you stop posting in this thread

                          Edit: court officers can conduct stop and frisk as well

                          TBTA can summons u, impound ur vehicle, search it etc no different than what a trooper or NYPD hwy does
                          Last edited by PAPD 8-2; 10-16-2009, 12:59 PM.

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                          • The cop who responds to your 911 call in NY at your house is not a Peace Officer. In California it is, since in California a Peace Officer and Police Officer are the exact same thing.

                            I respond to 911 calls.
                            Honestly you really dont know much about anything kid.

                            Peace Officers aren't sworn LEO's in the same respect Police Officers are
                            again, if you actually knew what you were talking about then this line wouldnt make ANY sense to you either. Sworn LEOs (NYS doesnt even use the terms LEO unless they are talking about federal law enforcement officers) are sworn LEOs no matter what section of the CPL the power is given from.
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                            • LMFAO
                              Originally posted by gbotj View Post
                              God help us all if LINY gets on the job. "nahhh sarge, I kinda understand what your saying, but your not entirely accurate. Let me help you out with that........."
                              RETIRED 9-16-10

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                              • impound ur vehicle
                                haha, yepppp
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