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  • Jellybean400
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    I live in Salem County. thanks

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  • drock
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    Im not sure where you are in South Jersey, but there are several police supply stores in Philly, with websites/contact info. But I know there are one or two in South Jersey, I just cant remember where.

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  • Jellybean400
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    NO, they dont care. thanks for your advice.

    i'm sorry you've been going thru all that! i had no idea...

    yes, being off on LWOP sucks! hang in there...

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  • gpd810mertie
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    ugh

    good luck with your knee. i tore my tfcc tendon in my right wrist last august while delivering. i also have an lt tear and carpal tunnel in that wrist (as you know...using my right wrist is my lifes blood...can't work without it). because i did it at work..filed a workers comp claim. doctor said no work til surgery, i've been out since Sept. DOL denied my claim in Dec. i ended up getting a lawyer and my claim FINALLY was reversed/accepted in May. i've been on LWOP since Dec. shared services is now requesting a second opinion (asshats) so surgery is going to be delayed even longer. now...because of the amount of time this has been dragged out...i can't even bend my wrist in any direction without severe pain. i wear a brace 24/7 and can't pick up even a coffee cup without pain. 2 days ago i noticed my right shoulder blade is "winging" out of my back now by about 2 inches. OH...but shared services is doing everything they can to fight my valid claim. we work for a bunch of jerk offs. no one has offered me light duty (rurals aren't usually given light duty). if my career didn't depend on my right hand...i would have never filed the injury claim. i hope your knee wasn't work related....lol. i don't wish this on anyone.

    i mentioned the eeo complaint because of the treatment i've received by my shared services case manager because of my injury. if she continues to degrade me and harrass me over the phone one more time (she literally brings me to tears) i will file a complaint on her.

    the long winded point was.....don't let anyone intimidate you into NOT doing what you feel is necessary...for your own well being. they don't care about you JB...plain and simple.

    ((hugs))

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  • Jellybean400
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    Thanks very much!!

    yes, its someone at work. the things he's done so far are things i cant report, but they're creepy nevertheless. i stopped our "friendship," and i did it slowly because i thought he was getting a little weird. youre right about the EEO though.

    some people in the union say one thing, while someone else says another. i have to talk to our head guy, and he'll be the one to help me. i'm off right now due to knee treatment, so i'll see what happens when i get back. i just dont want to get put back on Niteshift because of what someone else is doing. bad enough if i need to go on lite duty for my knee they will put me back on Nites! no wonder we go postal! ;-)

    thanks again for the store info.

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  • gpd810mertie
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    Jb

    hey girl...gotta love our unions eh? why should YOU be punished and switched to a different shift for filing a complaint? are you being harrassed by this person while you are at work? if so...i would file an eeo complaint...because it IS managements responsibility to provide a safe work environment for all employees. if you are punished for filing a complaint...put on another shift, reduced hours, etc....you could have some case against the po. but...it does suck when you go to the union for advise...and they don't seem to want to stand behind you.

    there is a police supply place in sewell, but not sure if anyone can just buy there. i went with my H and can't remember the name of it. but...usually some of the hunting stores or even dicks sporting goods carry the pepper spray. i have a bottle of the usps issued pepper spray for dogs LOL.

    please stay safe girl!

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  • Jellybean400
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    Originally posted by jerseyshorecop View Post
    Alrighty then......I'm sure the aformentioned arguements were valid and persausive if I'd taken the time to read any of them.......lol

    Jellybean, Do what you have to and stay safe here in NJ.

    PM me if you need help with the details.
    Thanks, i will PM you if i think of questions.

    I will get something before i go back to work, that's for sure.

    I want to make a work complaint, but the Union told me they would probably put ME on a different shift. I dont think that's fair.

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  • SGeringer
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    Lol, twas a good debate. Deputyryan, stay safe out there. We'll agree to disagree.

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  • jerseyshorecop
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    Alrighty then......I'm sure the aformentioned arguements were valid and persausive if I'd taken the time to read any of them.......lol

    Jellybean, Do what you have to and stay safe here in NJ.

    PM me if you need help with the details.

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    Given how government works and the history of gun registration, it is here I simply cannot agree with you. For instance, the Canadian gun registry has 2000+ employees. The state of FL has about 350,000 CCWers alone, not to mention gun owners that do not have CCWs. There are probably as many if not MORE gun owners in the Gunshine state than in all of Canada. Even if not, let's cut it in half and say that the program would require 1000 employees to administer one state's program. That's expensive.
    There are already states that practice something similar to this. Its almost like comparing apples and oranges. I dont expect the costs to be nearly the same because I dont think a fingerprint check and the works is needed to simply tell the state that you now own "X" gun with serial number "XXXXXXX". The Canadian system is very complicated. I am only suggesting simple registration. By the way. A criminal history check takes only minutes. ALL I am suggesting is it would be helpful for LEOs to be able to utilize a firearm registry.

    So then, let's say it's in practice. You stop Joe Dirtbag and the gun is registered but not in NCIC as stolen and is otherwise carried legally. You can't do anything. And, as you say, even if it is in NCIC as stolen you cant do anything because you can't prove he knew it and you cant get him on registration because it IS registered. So really, registration is aimed at guns that simply aren't registered, which might be a tiny portion of guns you encounter because so many stolen ones originate in lawful homes. By your own admission, it being stolen doesn't do anything for you. If he's CCWing illegally or a unable to possess, we already have a law for that.
    Well I would at least be able to take the firearm if it is stolen and lable him as a suspect in the theft and try to link him to the scene. But thats not really what were talking about. In the instance you mentioned I would have to say I agree with you. However with the aforementioned in mind I would then say that it should be illegal to carry a concealed firearm that is not registered to you.

    and is otherwise carried legally
    That is where the problem lies in Florida. IMO it is too easy for someone to carry a firearm legally without a CCW permit. The state basically says anyone can carry a loaded firearm in their glove box. To me that should be considered a concealed weapon and require a CCW permit. If they have the permit that is fine. If someone wants to carry a firearm in their glove box by all means qualify with your weapon and get a permit. And for the record I am not suggesting we make getting permits any more difficult. I think Florida has very good CCW permit requirments. Many folks in FL have CCW permits as well. You only need to qualify with your weapon and not be a felon or have been already been declared mentally disturbed.

    Then we have other issues. If we're still on the small scale (states manage licensing of cars, so apples to apples this is a state project), what about those that can carry in FL on their permits? Do we have "out of state" registration where visitors can register, or an exemption, or do we get rid of reciprocity with other states?
    Again were mixing permits with registration. There are a number of states that recognize other states CCW permits. But that is not what we are talking about. What were talking about is the simple registration of firearms. All I am suggesting is have a name and address go with the serial number ont he firearm. Its already done with automobiles.

    No, I did a poor job of posing two options. With registration, again, if someone steals my registered handgun but has a permit or is transporting legally and the gun hasn't been reported yet when you catch him, you can't do anything about it. So the question then becomes, do we make it so you can't carry a gun not registered to YOU like in CA? Based on what you said about not being able to prosecute PSP, any encounter with a registered gun would not prosecutable because the GUN IS REGISTERED. Based on what you say, you could only a) make it so guns carried had to be registered to you, or b) somehow make it so that PSP charges stick, or c) give people a pass that steal registered guns.
    Again just like a car. I can stop a car that is lawfully registered with the state. That car may have been stolen but not yet reported. I will never know and would end up letting the car theif get away without even realizing it. Unfortunatly the same would apply to firearms. No system is perfect but that doesnt mean it isnt useful.

    That is too bad. One of my guns being stolen and used to kill an innocent person is a great fear of mine, and I have all my serial numbers in several places and avoid leaving weapons unattended at all costs.
    Im glad, but face it. Most people arnt as cautious as you. And there will always be that "act of god" or weird circumstance. I dont think we can hold people criminaly liable for not having their serial number.
    Last edited by deputyryan; 06-12-2007, 07:18 AM.

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    Originally posted by Kpdpipes View Post
    I've been OTJ for 20 years, working in one of the more "Festive" areas of NJ, and i would be HAPPY to see CCW for Non-LEO's here. I dont find the thought of Joe Citizen being armed, scary in the least. Every armed Citizen is one less sheep this tired old sheepdog has to watch over.
    I am not saying the state should take away CCW permits or prevent citizens from getting one. So long as they aren’t convicted felons or have prior serious mental conditions. Which is what state law already requires. That and the requirement to qualify with your weapon. I run into good folks all the time on traffic stops who have CCW permits and are carrying. Its not a problem to me either. What I was saying is that its strange for the state to say it is illegal to carry a firearm on your person concealed but then say its okay to conceal it in your car. Even though its still easily accessible. My point is in a nutshell I think firearms should be registered same as an automobile.

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  • Kpdpipes
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    Originally posted by deputyryan View Post
    SGeringer,

    With all due respect I am a conservative as well. But be on the job a while and see if you have the exact same opinion.
    I've been OTJ for 20 years, working in one of the more "Festive" areas of NJ, and i would be HAPPY to see CCW for Non-LEO's here. I dont find the thought of Joe Citizen being armed, scary in the least. Every armed Citizen is one less sheep this tired old sheepdog has to watch over.

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  • SGeringer
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    Originally posted by deputyryan View Post
    I think that we have to agree to disagree. But I know I had just about the same viewpoint as you. When I was in the military I even wrote an article to a newspaper about it. I made the same basic argument as you. But now that I am on the street my position has slightly changed. I am always concerned with my safety and the safety of my fellow brothers and sisters. And I for one am tired of locking up a gangbanger today (usually on drug charges) and tomorrow they're out doing the same crap. Then when I finally catch them with a firearm my hands are tied. I think that reasonable legislation surrounding firearms is not too much to ask. That's just my two cents.

    The public demands action and demands we fix the worlds problems but the government makes it almost impossible.

    Sorry I didn't see your second post before I posted my other one. I'm fine with agreeing to disagree.......I'm not always right by far. It is a shame that the laws are not in your favor.....the idea that you can't get someone on PSP for a stolen gun seems wild to me. It is also unfortunate that so often they are not prosecuted aggressively for felon in possession. If registration could seamlessly make your job easier in my estimation while not affecting CCW or lawful use, I'd be more supportive. I just don't think it's plausible and the risk of use in confiscation is not good to my way of thinking. Either way, stay safe out there.

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  • SGeringer
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    You replied “no”. Im a little confused here.
    It is not scary for someone to have a firearm in the car, either a loaded handgun for CCWers, or an unloaded handgun for non-CCWers and unloaded long gun for everyone. In my state, the long gun can't be loaded but a magazine can be stored in the case or around the gun. Hunters in all states carry rifles at some point in their vehicles. That was more my thinking. It's hard for me, in WA, imagining someone being able to carry a loaded rifle especially w/o a CCW (which I realize wouldn't apply for a rifle, but you know what I mean).

    The state would have to prove prior knowledge, which is almost impossible
    That is definitely unfortunate.

    It does not have to be as complicated.
    Given how government works and the history of gun registration, it is here I simply cannot agree with you. For instance, the Canadian gun registry has 2000+ employees. The state of FL has about 350,000 CCWers alone, not to mention gun owners that do not have CCWs. There are probably as many if not MORE gun owners in the Gunshine state than in all of Canada. Even if not, let's cut it in half and say that the program would require 1000 employees to administer one state's program. That's expensive. And what if we have to do it nationally? I understand that at first glance it might be simple, but we'd have log a transaction for a) every new or used gun sale from FFL, b) every private transaction, c) every incident where a gun is stolen presumably, d) every move someone makes (like with licensing for autos), e) changes in gun ownership status (felon, DV, mental, etc). Legally speaking, it would not be imaginable that such legislation would go forward without also doing a background check......it would not be politically permissable to simply let someone register a gun, because potentially a person not able to own a gun would do that. So in addition to the clerical work, we have background.

    So then, let's say it's in practice. You stop Joe Dirtbag and the gun is registered but not in NCIC as stolen and is otherwise carried legally. You can't do anything. And, as you say, even if it is in NCIC as stolen you cant do anything because you can't prove he knew it and you cant get him on registration because it IS registered. So really, registration is aimed at guns that simply aren't registered, which might be a tiny portion of guns you encounter because so many stolen ones originate in lawful homes. By your own admission, it being stolen doesn't do anything for you. If he's CCWing illegally or a unable to possess, we already have a law for that.

    Then we have other issues. If we're still on the small scale (states manage licensing of cars, so apples to apples this is a state project), what about those that can carry in FL on their permits? Do we have "out of state" registration where visitors can register, or an exemption, or do we get rid of reciprocity with other states?

    Youre confusing CCW permit with registration. If a weapon is registered the serial number would be readily available. A name search could be conducted of the database and the local PD would be able to see the SN of the gun that was stolen.
    No, I did a poor job of posing two options. With registration, again, if someone steals my registered handgun but has a permit or is transporting legally and the gun hasn't been reported yet when you catch him, you can't do anything about it. So the question then becomes, do we make it so you can't carry a gun not registered to YOU like in CA? Based on what you said about not being able to prosecute PSP, any encounter with a registered gun would not prosecutable because the GUN IS REGISTERED. Based on what you say, you could only a) make it so guns carried had to be registered to you, or b) somehow make it so that PSP charges stick, or c) give people a pass that steal registered guns.

    Sounds simple but it would not work.
    That is too bad. One of my guns being stolen and used to kill an innocent person is a great fear of mine, and I have all my serial numbers in several places and avoid leaving weapons unattended at all costs.

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    I think that we have to agree to disagree. But I know I had just about the same viewpoint as you. When I was in the military I even wrote an article to a newspaper about it. I made the same basic argument as you. But now that I am on the street my position has slightly changed. I am always concerned with my safety and the safety of my fellow brothers and sisters. And I for one am tired of locking up a gangbanger today (usually on drug charges) and tomorrow they're out doing the same crap. Then when I finally catch them with a firearm my hands are tied. I think that reasonable legislation surrounding firearms is not too much to ask. That's just my two cents.

    The public demands action and demands we fix the worlds problems but the government makes it almost impossible.

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