Anyone heard of SecureForce?

[phillydog07]

I'm just wondering if anyone has ever heard of SecureForce security. What kinds of places do they work? My general impressions from looking at their website are that they look very professional....almost to the point of looking like the real deal.

http://www.secureforcellc.com/

Also, take a minute to look through the pics on their site. There's one album where it looks like they're helping search the water for a body and they're wearing traffic vests which say "Sheriff". If anybody knows anything about this company let me know.

[ColdCase]

I have ran into several of their officers while working SafeZone downtown MPLS. They are in an out of Block E and Gameworks. My biggest complaint with them is they try to get into to much without enough resources or backup. I am sure there are other officers here that could offer more assistance. Also try the security officer forum.

[Matthew5:9]

Wow...nice website! But why in the world do they have a radar in their car?! That makes no sense.

[cjs-luke]

I was under the impression that it is illegal for non LE to have radar. Something to do with Federal Radar laws or something like that.

[Livenlearn]

I was under the impression that it is illegal for non LE to have radar. Something to do with Federal Radar laws or something like that.

Both Bushnell and Mattell sell toy radar guns that actually work so I would guess that its ok.

I have seen hand held radar on some private industrial campuses to enforce speed policies on employees and visitors, but that was years ago.

[phillydog07]

I guess I don't so much want info on their company, I'm just wondering what experiences you officers (esp. MPD guys). I know that armed security (Wolf comes to mind) can sometimes have employees who don't realize that they are not the Police. Do they have a good or bad reputation?

[squad51]

I know several of their officers. I must say that for the most part they seem to be a well organized group and they are again for the most part one of the more professional security companies out there. They have taken care of a lot of issues with out having to call MPD, that would have other wise caused us to be tied up with BS. On the other hand they have had several officers that did constantly tie us up on BS.

Having worked security and armed secuirty DT Mpls prior to becomming a cop I have some experaince with this. I never called MPD unless I really really had too. I took care of my unwants, tresspassing, public urination, public nuisance on my own. I only called if I had a felony arrest, and or something that was out of control and my trying to get people ot leave had failed. I have had several talks with the supervisors that work for this company about those issues, and as of late can not remember being called on BS since.

[Matthew5:9]

I know several of their officers. I must say that for the most part they seem to be a well organized group and they are again for the most part one of the more professional security companies out there. They have taken care of a lot of issues with out having to call MPD, that would have other wise caused us to be tied up with BS. On the other hand they have had several officers that did constantly tie us up on BS.

Having worked security and armed secuirty DT Mpls prior to becomming a cop I have some experaince with this. I never called MPD unless I really really had too. I took care of my unwants, tresspassing, public urination, public nuisance on my own. I only called if I had a felony arrest, and or something that was out of control and my trying to get people ot leave had failed. I have had several talks with the supervisors that work for this company about those issues, and as of late can not remember being called on BS since.

Sounds like they are developing a good reputation then

[yangsTa]

They handle Block E.

[squad51]

actually they only do gameworks at block e

[Reedo]

I was under the impression that it is illegal for non LE to have radar. Something to do with Federal Radar laws or something like that.

Both Bushnell and Mattell sell toy radar guns that actually work so I would guess that its ok.

I have seen hand held radar on some private industrial campuses to enforce speed policies on employees and visitors, but that was years ago.

There are gated communities that do have security officers that enforce speed limits with private security vehicles using radar. Bear Path in Eden Prairie comes to mind (they used to, don't know if they still do or not). They will stop you if you are speeding; though I don't know what they do once/if you decide to stop.

[Matthew5:9]

There are gated communities that do have security officers that enforce speed limits with private security vehicles using radar. Bear Path in Eden Prairie comes to mind (they used to, don't know if they still do or not). They will stop you if you are speeding; though I don't know what they do once/if you decide to stop.

I know that security (officers/guards/protective agents/etc.) can and will at times stop cars on private property/roads for which they're contracted to protect. More prevalent examples of this would be Wackenhut at the Red-Wing nuke site, GSSC (while using full red/blue lights) on federal lands/roadways in western Minnesota, and a multitude of other private security companies. I also know it's legal for Bear Path Security to enforce the speed "rules" for their grounds.

The problem I can foresee is when these private issues spill onto municipal public streets or public lands. Sure, 609.06 covers most actions by any person who pursues and detains when there is intent to make an Arrest by a Private Person and deliver said suspect to a Peace Officer. But I'm just trying to figure out how I'd handle a situation if a security guard chased a vehicle off their post just to catch a shop-lifter. Any insight from MPLS' finest would be appreciated.

Hopefully the POST board will just annex the Board of Private Detective and Protective Agent Services and clearly define some better rules and training standards for security. I digress. I guess I just wasn't sure how or where a radar for SecureForce could prove to be either beneficial or relevant. Heck, now that I think of it...how could a radar be beneficial for the public. Leave the traffic enforcement to LE. It's dangerous!

[Crimecrusher704]

Actually, there is a bill currently being proposed in the Minnesota Legislature that would merge the Protective Agents Board with the POST Board. There is also a bill that would classify Protective Agents vehicles as Emergency Vehicles and would allow them to possess/use red lights under certain circumstances such as funeral escorts etc.

[Ten10]

I don't know, but there's no state law that I know of regarding speed limits on "private property" (not careless/wreckless etc.). If I'm driving across some parking lot, speeding, and a private security tries pulling me over...I'm not stopping...sorry.

[Reedo]

I know that security (officers/guards/protective agents/etc.) can and will at times stop cars on private property/roads for which they're contracted to protect. More prevalent examples of this would be Wackenhut at the Red-Wing nuke site, GSSC (while using full red/blue lights) on federal lands/roadways in western Minnesota, and a multitude of other private security companies. I also know it's legal for Bear Path Security to enforce the speed "rules" for their grounds.

The problem I can foresee is when these private issues spill onto municipal public streets or public lands. Sure, 609.06 covers most actions by any person who pursues and detains when there is intent to make an Arrest by a Private Person and deliver said suspect to a Peace Officer. But I'm just trying to figure out how I'd handle a situation if a security guard chased a vehicle off their post just to catch a shop-lifter....

I don't know, but there's no state law that I know of regarding speed limits on "private property" (not careless/wreckless etc.). If I'm driving across some parking lot, speeding, and a private security tries pulling me over...I'm not stopping...sorry.

I have a big problem with private security doing anything more than Observing and Reporting, unless a suspect is actively a threat to safety. It's been my experience that security officers often times have poor training in what they're allowed to do. I worked for a private security company many years ago, and we got a 2 day class that outlined nothing substantive. If something happened, I dialed 911. I've encountered several officers, then and now, that have really gone beyond their legal ability. I think a lot of it has to do with insufficient training.

I know that if I were to be stopped by an emergency vehicle, only to find out it was private security, I'd probably just drive away. I can't imagine why the State would allow security vehicles (except nuke sites, etc.) to have red/blue lights. But, this is Minnesota and we can't even use the Intoxylizer anymore, so yahoo.

As for chasing, I'm fairly certain that security companies would not allow a vehicle chase. That's one liability that they would frown upon. Especially if that chase was to go onto public roadway. If a security vehicle chased a vehicle on a public roadway in my city, I'd probably charge the driver with Reckless for being stupid enough to do it.


As for the speed limits and driving regs on private property, the litmus test for those is usually based on whether the property is regularly accessible and usable by the general public. My county attorney's office has had this upheld in court. Now, if we're talking about a gated community like Bear Path, that's controlled access and not regularly accessible by the public; so by at least my county's standards, we couldn't enforce.