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  • Originally posted by Seraphym View Post
    It varies. For some officers, it's due to their belief that there is a wall between your "boots on the ground" officers and the command staff. I don't have nearly enough time on my own to formulate an opinion on that, and you probably shouldn't. For others, the equipment at other departments is more alluring. Again, I cannot really comment on that as the only experience I really have is with BPD.

    Some of that turnover is natural, such as officers not really understanding what they signed up for until you get out there to see it for yourself. A day or two of ride alongs doesn't really do the job justice. I've already been in a few situations in my very short time out there where merely being lucky is the only reason I didn't end up in the hospital or worse. I cannot think of any coworkers who haven't been in those same positions. It gets real out here almost the moment you get out onto the streets for the first time and some just don't like doing that day in and out, which is perfectly respectable. They tried it and found out it wasn't for them. Happens in just about every other job too.

    Another natural source of it is that many of the trainees are coming from out of state with no ties of any kind to either Maryland, Baltimore, or the mid-Atlantic. They came because they got hired and once they've put in a couple of years, they fully intend to go back to whatever region they happened to come from. That also happens all of the time. If you don't develop some sort of ties to the area, or have any to begin with, my understanding is that it can get pretty miserable if you are pretty attached to where you came from. Again, perfectly respectable.

    I'll also say that some of it is based on the existing turnover to begin with. As people leave, the districts have to take measures to assure that posts are manned. If the numbers just aren't there, they have to take unpopular measures. Those with the highest sequence numbers get drafted, lose leave, etc. Morale starts to drop as a result for the younger ones. You are talking about people who already don't have a lot invested in the department because of how little time they have on and their ability to just go somewhere else. Most of those leaving aren't people with 5+years on, after all. I'm of the opinion that right there is a big part of it.

    External forces is something I cannot really gauge for you. I deal with people who hate me because of the badge, but I also have at least one person stop my car to say thanks every day. During that snow storm we had two weeks ago, we even had people offering us soup and drinks while we helped to clear out the streets. It probably depends on your district but so far, my experience has been plenty will hate you and plenty will love you. I don't know that this is playing a huge role where I am at

    Keep in mind that I'm not even off of probation status yet, thus I may not be the best person to hear from, but this department is really what you make of it. The turnover is rough. The reality of what you are actually doing can be rough, but there are also positives. My direct supervisors are great, I love the people I work with, and there are plenty of opportunities to try many different things. Give it a shot and judge for yourself, but also be realistic about the fact that every officer that responds to this thread mentions the same things.
    That's a pretty depressing outlook lol
    Last edited by Giants250; 08-02-2016, 08:20 PM.

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      God never promised that it would be easy, just that he would be there with you every step of the way.

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      • Hello Everyone!

        I have been in the process since June 2015. I have completed all of the steps with the medical and psych eval done on 4 December. Can anyone shed some insight as to typically how long before they make a decision? I'm sure there are many factors in play that delay this process. Thanks for any info that's provided.

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        • Originally posted by Giants250 View Post
          This is rather depressing to read.. Especially for someone starting the academy in a week
          You'd just be hearing the same thing in a couple of weeks. Some people are more than capable of just dealing with the "bad" stuff. It doesn't really bother me all that much. I like my job, I like the people I work with, and I certainly like the pay. However, I'm definitely not going to sugarcoat that these negative elements exist and that, for some, they outweigh the positives.

          Do you want my advice? Do the same thing I did. Keep the advice from the officers posting here in mind, and then go through with it to make your own judgment. Maybe you'll love it, maybe you'll hate it, maybe you'll merely tolerate it. The only way you'll know for sure is to keep an open mind for the next 36 weeks.

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          • Originally posted by oliverj320 View Post
            Thank you for that information. But why is it so bad that people are leaving I'm trying to understand that. Is the problem internal or external(community not respecting officers). Baltimore said they needed officers meanwhile they are only hiring less than 20?.


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            People are leaving because of internal problems. Among these problems are garbage supervisors, run down equipment, corrupt or lazy peers and command staff who live to stab street officers (and each other) in the back.

            I used to think the salary was worth it. It is not. If you become involved in a situation that looks bad, the department will hang you out to dry, particularly when it comes to use of force. If you get seriously injured, the agency pensions you off. The people of Baltimore City hate us. Those that don't hate us refuse to offer meaningful assistance which ties our hands. The working conditions here are horrible and the dept treats us like trash. The city's finances are in dire shape. An officer coming on today will not be collecting a pension 25 years from now.

            Go somewhere else.

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            • Originally posted by oliverj320 View Post
              And it's 10 hour shifts? I prefer to work overnight but I was told that is hard to get


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              Adam shift is generally made up of misfits, humps and turds. Good luck getting back up after 0300 when everyone, including 09, is in the hole.

              Do not go to Adam shift straight out of the academy. You need to learn to do the job before you go to midnights. No experience plus no motivated side partners equals unacceptable risk. Don't do it.

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              • Originally posted by J2H View Post
                I was born and raised near Baltimore, and I would never become a cop there (too murder-deathy for me). I didn't want to be a city cop at all, but they seem easier to get on with, so I applied for a large city force here in SC.
                You realize that "murder-death" happens everywhere? It's in every police job. You WILL deal with it. And especially in Columbia.
                The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheepdog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed.

                I Am the Sheepdog.


                "And maybe just remind the few, if ill of us they speak,
                that we are all that stands between
                the monsters and the weak." - Michael Marks


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                • J2H is in for a nasty surprise...
                  Now go home and get your shine box!

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                  • Originally posted by Seraphym View Post
                    The 12 days thing is archaic and, if I'm not mistaken, based off of 8 hour shifts. We don't work 8 hour shifts anymore. It's actually 9 vacation days. You also get 13-14 holidays depending on whether or not it's an election year. Those days are in addition to your 9 vacation days, the only difference being that A). you cannot put them in your vacation legacy and B). they can only be used 60 days before/after the actual holiday. If you go over 60 days before or after, sorry about your luck, unless you have slips that have been repeatedly denied.

                    All in all, it's more like 22/23 days you can take off in a year. That amount goes up a bit depending on how much time you have on. In theory, it's not a bad amount of time. We have a 4 on, 3 off schedule so with 9 vacation days, you could take two blocks of 4 day periods that effectively mean you'd have two entire weeks off. The catch is actually getting that approved.

                    you forgot about VMI days

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                    • has anyone on here done the 2 day processing before ???

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                      • Originally posted by Deputy908 View Post
                        has anyone on here done the 2 day processing before ???
                        yeah

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                        • Is there any word on the next class


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                          • Originally posted by PMandilian View Post
                            yeah
                            what time did you finish on both days ?

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                            • Originally posted by Deputy908 View Post
                              what time did you finish on both days ?
                              you going to the one next week?

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                              • Originally posted by Johnn View Post
                                you going to the one next week?
                                yeah but i have to work that night so im trying to see if i should just take off.

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