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  • Originally posted by Mzdeborah241 View Post
    25 year old bilingual female (I speak Spanish fluently). I have a bachelor's degree from the University of Maryland. I have never used any kind of drugs. I thought about it when I was a teenager but never did it. I have never been arrested for anything in my life. I do have school loans, a personal loan, car loan, and credit card debt but everyone gets their money. My credit score is 697 and I have never been late to pay any bills (well maybe a day or 2 late but nothing more). I applied to to MPD, MCPD, and USCP which all rejected me because of my speeding tickets. All told me I could reapply in 2011. I applied to PGPD and MSP but once I was rejected with the first three I didnt continue the process with them.

    So I have a lead foot. My issue is my driving record. I have never been pulled over for anything else other then my tints on my car. Never had a DUI or anything else. I have pulled my complete driving record before and It only shows 1 speeding ticket in the past 10 years and I never had any points on my license.

    Driving Record: Speeding Ticket December 2003 (Probation by Judgement - PBJ), Speeding Ticket Aug 2008 in VA (not points but appears on my driving record), Speeding Ticket Sept 2008 (PBJ), Speeding Ticket (Oct 2008 - officer didnt show so it was thrown out), Speeding Ticket Sept 2010 (PBJ).

    Its 2011 and I am ready to begin applying again. I am taking the civil test for BPD this Tuesday. What do you guys think are my chances that I will get hired by a dept?

    I'm just confused with the parts that I bolded. If I am mistaken and just not understanding, then I apologize.


    You say you were rejected from all three because of speeding tickets. You ADMIT to having a lead foot. You then say you pulled your driving record and it only shows ONE ticket in the past 10 years. you then post your driving record which shows you have had FIVE speeding tickets since 2003. And you stated you've never been pulled over for anything other than your tints... Ummm, 5 speeding tickets?

    I find it odd the discrepencies and it sounds like you may be hiding something or not being totally truthful.

    What I don't understand. And I'm by no means perfect and no one I've worked with is. But, if you want to be a Police Officer,why do people (Not just you) continue to do negative things that aren't expected of Police??? Speeding tickets happen. But when you are trying so hard to be the Police and rack up 4 tickets in a two year span (three tickets in three consecutive months), what do you think that shows to recruiters? Especially since they were so recent. It shows bad judgement.

    Again, it's nothing that I don't think will disqualify you, or at least disqualify you much longer, but that is bad judgment. If you want to be in Law Enforcement, then for some time before you apply, you try to do the right things. What do you think Police Departments would think will happen once you get hired and have a badge. If your speeding and driving habits are out of control now, what do you think they'll believe you will be like once you are an Officer?

    I think you have A LOT going for you. You are a female, bi-lingual, and have a college degree. Departments should be seeking after you. But, there are still many like you in this economy without the speeding problems and any other problems. Just keep your nose clean and throw those applications out there. The worst that can happen is they say no. Good luck.

    Oh, and you might want to get rid of any illegal tint while you apply.

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    • I agree I have had bad judgement. I wont sit here and make excuses for why I was speeding because I dont believe in excuses. I will not try to justify the reason why I was speeding, ever. I have been pulled over 5 times for speeding but of those 5 times only 1 ticket actually went on my driving record. The reason was I went to court. Three times I got Probation By Judgement which means as long as I go 1 year without getting another moving violation from the time I went to court then they would never appear on my driving record. So all 3 times I got my PBJs I didnt get another ticket for at least a year period and they were never put on my driving record. Then one of those tickets I went to court and the officer did not show so it was dismissed (as if it never happened) and again not placed on my record.

      From what I understand there is an administrative driving record which only certain people are allowed to see. This "adminsitrative record" shows every type of ticket you have ever received even if those tickets were diismissed or received probation for them. The only people that see this record are certain background investigators, judges, etc. So technically I been pulled over 5 times for speeding. Of those 5 times only 1 ticket was I actually charged with being guilty and went on my official driving record (i.e. the record employers and insurance companies can see). Yes I got 3 tickets within 90 days but at that time the police thing was just a thought in the back of my mind. Not saying I had the right to speed (I didn't) it was just a lapse of judgement where I only can blame myself.

      Being a police officer is something that has always been in the back of my mind as far as a career. My parents weren't very supportive of this choice so instead I went to college for psychology. I was a case manager working with "at risk" and gang involved youth. I did that for 2 years and realized it wasnt for me because as much as I tried to help the youth and their parents I would say 95 percent did not change and continued committing crimes, etc. This is when me wanting to become an officer came back into my head. I now work for a govt agency as a Case Specialist were I did recieve a low level security clearance. I work under Department of Homeland Security supporting an alternatives to dentention (ATD) program specifically doing Immigration Supervision. I'm actually pretty happy here but the police thing keeps popping into my head.

      Wanting to be a police office is not something I just pulled out the air one day its always been something I have wanted to do. I have a career and actually have an interview for another job working with child protective services with Anne Arundell County. You might ask why am I applying if I am so happy at my current job. Well I believe I am an asset to any company I ever decide to work for. I believe in keeping my options open. I applied to the position with Anne Arundell County a year ago and they just now have positions available. I look out for my best interest and that of my family. You do what you have to do (of course nothing illegal) to survive especially when things are so hard with our economy right now. If Anne Arundell pays me more and has better benefits its bye bye to my current employer. If they dont, I will remain where I am now. Again I want to be a police officer and this dream just won't got away. So I can't not apply. At least if I am rejected again I can say years down line "at least I tried."

      I hope that the tickets dont stop me this time around but if they do thats the price I pay for my bad judgement. Regardless of the fact that I am sure that everyone out here at some point in time was guilty of speeding (breaking the law) yet were lucky enough not to get caught. Doesn't make it right but it is what it is. I do belive if you break the law you should be held accountable for it. I did exercise my right to go to court and I been really lucky. I have no points on my driving record what so ever in my entire driving career. Again I agree bad decision making on my part I just hope that it is looked over and I get the opportunity to become LE.
      Last edited by Mzdeborah241; 01-02-2011, 12:02 PM.
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      • i had 10 points at one time on my record and held a 0 point license for about 5 years before i was hired at BPD. when i applied to MSP, about 5 years prior to BPD, i had 1 point (which was scheduled to be removed that same year). no agency ever questioned me about it, but i also owned up to them, admitted that I F'd up and that was it. it seems like you are minimizing the tickets and maybe since you are making excuses, that is a bigger deal than the tickets themselves. if you keep getting stopped for tint, why keep the tint? that shows disregard for the law. the fact is, if someone has been stopped 4 or 5 times for speeding, than they probably speed all the time, just dont get caught. you cannot drive a police vehicle in MD with more than 3 points. any agency is going to be afraid to hire you with the risk of you getting 3 points and having to be terminated in the academy. dept spend alot of money processing applicants.

        the good news it, a bad driving record is an easy fix and wont keep you out for good. keep applying and keep your speed at the limit. fix any thing on your vehicle that is illegal to avoid standing out. i dont know about other depts, but with BPD, every time you are stopped and your tag or license is run, it stays in the system, regardless if you get a ticket, verbal warning, written warning or whatever else.

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        • Originally posted by Mzdeborah241 View Post
          ... I did exercise my right to go to court and I been really lucky. I have no points on my driving record what so ever in my entire driving career. Again I agree bad decision making on my part I just hope that it is looked over and I get the opportunity to become LE.
          that may be your right, but it also can be seen as negative. sure, if stopped once for speeding by all means, go to court for leniency, but by going to court every time, it could look like you are a liar that is trying to beat the system. people that go to court when they are clearly guilty (and trust me, being stopped that many times for the same thing, tells me you were guilty), do nothing but waste the time and money of that city or state. depts have to pay OT, and it takes up court docket space.

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          • Well I have only been pulled over with tints once. I had put 35 percent tint on my car which is what is legal in MD. I at the time didn't know that cars already come with a light tint on factory windows (something like 90 percent tint). So when I put 35% (thinking it was legal) it was actually darker then 35% because it already had tint on the window, I just didnt know it because you couldn't tell. I was pulled over for tints one time and haven't been since because I fixed the problem.

            I'm not trying to minimize the tickets. I admit to getting them but again they were not placed on my record because I got probation or it was dismissed. I don't make excuses for them. I never said I was speeding because my dad had a heart attack and I was rushing to the hospital or the other reasons why at the time I justified to myself it was ok to speed. Now if I said that first I would agree I was trying to make excuses but again I didnt and only just mention that to let you know what I believe an excuase would be.

            I flat out have always been up front about my tickets. When I have filled out the packets before I always write down the dates of each one and write down what the outcome was. It just so happen I have only been found guilty of 1 instead of the 5 but I still write down that I was stopped for them. But again I have 0 points on my driving record at this time and actually never had any points ever on my record at any point in time. My record shows 1 speeding ticket that was transferred over from VA but of course the points dont transfer with the ticket. Also it shows I took a Drivers Improvement Course but that can't be held against you. Most people dont know but if you take a driver's improvement course then some insurance companies will give you a discount on your rate. Anyone can take that course. I was never forced to take the court I took it prior to going to court for any of my tickets.

            I just want some opinions on what everyone thinks. Thats why I went into specifics about the outcomes of my tickets. My insurance company only knows of 1 ticket I have received because there is nothing else on my record that is negative. Remember innoucent until proven guilty. So because I was not found guilty they dont know because it was never placed on my driving record. Well technically probation is admitting guilt but you get a free pass if you comply with the rules. In which I did so they were all dismissed too. I know a police deptartment has access to more then what my insurance company can see which is why I dont lie about it.

            So I put it all out there to get honest opinions on my chances of getting picked up by a department. That is all.
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            • Originally posted by jvegas View Post
              that may be your right, but it also can be seen as negative. sure, if stopped once for speeding by all means, go to court for leniency, but by going to court every time, it could look like you are a liar that is trying to beat the system. people that go to court when they are clearly guilty (and trust me, being stopped that many times for the same thing, tells me you were guilty), do nothing but waste the time and money of that city or state. depts have to pay OT, and it takes up court docket space.
              I see your point clearly. But I did go to court because I do have a right to do so. The judges could have easily just found me guilty, handed me my fine and given me the points. But they decided to give me a PBJ regardless of being able to see my administrative record. They even ask about it. I tell them the truth. AGAIN I DO NOT LIE ABOUT HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE BEEN STOPPED FOR SPEEDING. Its a lot I agree but thats the worst I have on my record. I know some officers for BPD that have DUIs or had their license suspended at some point in time yet they got in. I never had any points, DUIs, or had my license suspended. So you can't penalize me for trying. Again I just wanted some opinions and thanks for being honest
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              • Thanks jvegas for a response to my question some pages before....
                I"ve never had a ticket, no arrestas, etc. , only turning 21 in a few, I've made it through 10 different processes but was rejected by one at the oral board for " lack of life experience" ... Goes to show you sometimes
                tickets, records and grades are not enough. It seems like nowadays you
                need all that plus luck. Always good to remain positive and determind....
                Onto the 9 remaining. Good luck all.

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                • Originally posted by Mzdeborah241 View Post
                  Well I have only been pulled over with tints once. I had put 35 percent tint on my car which is what is legal in MD. I at the time didn't know that cars already come with a light tint on factory windows (something like 90 percent tint). So when I put 35% (thinking it was legal) it was actually darker then 35% because it already had tint on the window, I just didnt know it because you couldn't tell. I was pulled over for tints one time and haven't been since because I fixed the problem.

                  I'm not trying to minimize the tickets. I admit to getting them but again they were not placed on my record because I got probation or it was dismissed. I don't make excuses for them. I never said I was speeding because my dad had a heart attack and I was rushing to the hospital or the other reasons why at the time I justified to myself it was ok to speed. Now if I said that first I would agree I was trying to make excuses but again I didnt and only just mention that to let you know what I believe an excuase would be.

                  I flat out have always been up front about my tickets. When I have filled out the packets before I always write down the dates of each one and write down what the outcome was. It just so happen I have only been found guilty of 1 instead of the 5 but I still write down that I was stopped for them. But again I have 0 points on my driving record at this time and actually never had any points ever on my record at any point in time. My record shows 1 speeding ticket that was transferred over from VA but of course the points dont transfer with the ticket. Also it shows I took a Drivers Improvement Course but that can't be held against you. Most people dont know but if you take a driver's improvement course then some insurance companies will give you a discount on your rate. Anyone can take that course. I was never forced to take the court I took it prior to going to court for any of my tickets.

                  I just want some opinions on what everyone thinks. Thats why I went into specifics about the outcomes of my tickets. My insurance company only knows of 1 ticket I have received because there is nothing else on my record that is negative. Remember innoucent until proven guilty. So because I was not found guilty they dont know because it was never placed on my driving record. Well technically probation is admitting guilt but you get a free pass if you comply with the rules. In which I did so they were all dismissed too. I know a police deptartment has access to more then what my insurance company can see which is why I dont lie about it.

                  So I put it all out there to get honest opinions on my chances of getting picked up by a department. That is all.
                  again, it appears you are minimizing the traffic violations. every post from you says, "I got pulled over, BUT" how about, "I got pulled over because I screwed up"? you can keep the mentality of "innocent until proven guilty", but that is not the way BI's are going to see it. when you become police, especially in a world where the media loves to kill us every chance they get, you lose those privileges. police departments are going to choose the person that looks best long term. saying that you know officers with poor driving records means squat. the dept has changed, and with the economy, BPD can afford to be even more strict because the number of applicants are high. trust me, the way things are going, if you get a DUI/DWI or 3 points for any other traffic violations while you are on probation, you can almost bet your life that you will be fired. with a recent track record of moving violations, that is going to be a financial risk to hire you. im not sure how long your "friends" have on, but the old way is not the current way. IMO, your mentality needs to change from "My rights" to "I no longer have rights", if you want to look good to any police department. its my belief that had i not been hired when I was, that i still wouldnt be police due to this economy. if you hadnt noticed, the basic rules of finding employment are null when it comes to law enforcement. for instance, polygraphs are inadmissible in court and cannot be required by employers in the private sector, but you must pass one in MD to become an officer. Incase you did not know, the state of MD (MPCTC) sets the minimum requirements to become a police officer. depts can be more strict, but not less.
                  Last edited by jvegas; 01-02-2011, 02:47 PM.

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                  • Mzdeborah241-

                    With all those PBJ's you got, you're obviously going to be explaining them to background investigators with whatever department you apply with. Just FYI, it is probation BEFORE judgement, not probation "by" judgement.
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                    • Originally posted by Mzdeborah241 View Post
                      Well I have only been pulled over with tints once. I had put 35 percent tint on my car which is what is legal in MD. I at the time didn't know that cars already come with a light tint on factory windows (something like 90 percent tint). So when I put 35% (thinking it was legal) it was actually darker then 35% because it already had tint on the window, I just didnt know it because you couldn't tell. I was pulled over for tints one time and haven't been since because I fixed the problem.

                      I'm not trying to minimize the tickets. I admit to getting them but again they were not placed on my record because I got probation or it was dismissed. I don't make excuses for them. I never said I was speeding because my dad had a heart attack and I was rushing to the hospital or the other reasons why at the time I justified to myself it was ok to speed. Now if I said that first I would agree I was trying to make excuses but again I didnt and only just mention that to let you know what I believe an excuase would be.

                      I flat out have always been up front about my tickets. When I have filled out the packets before I always write down the dates of each one and write down what the outcome was. It just so happen I have only been found guilty of 1 instead of the 5 but I still write down that I was stopped for them. But again I have 0 points on my driving record at this time and actually never had any points ever on my record at any point in time. My record shows 1 speeding ticket that was transferred over from VA but of course the points dont transfer with the ticket. Also it shows I took a Drivers Improvement Course but that can't be held against you. Most people dont know but if you take a driver's improvement course then some insurance companies will give you a discount on your rate. Anyone can take that course. I was never forced to take the court I took it prior to going to court for any of my tickets.

                      I just want some opinions on what everyone thinks. Thats why I went into specifics about the outcomes of my tickets. My insurance company only knows of 1 ticket I have received because there is nothing else on my record that is negative. Remember innoucent until proven guilty. So because I was not found guilty they dont know because it was never placed on my driving record. Well technically probation is admitting guilt but you get a free pass if you comply with the rules. In which I did so they were all dismissed too. I know a police deptartment has access to more then what my insurance company can see which is why I dont lie about it.

                      So I put it all out there to get honest opinions on my chances of getting picked up by a department. That is all.
                      I agree with Jvegas it seems as if you're trying to push the fact that "yea you got stopped" but out of it all only got one official ticket. Any repeated action indicates a disrespect for the law. I know you only received one ticket but most PD's look at the whole picture which is you have a speeding problem. It would be best to document it on the packet because if I can remember correctly they ask you for all the times you were cited/arrested regardless of the outcome. If you leave it out and it is discovered im pretty sure that's an auto dq..
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                      • After reading the last page and a half I'm just happy someone finally explained what PBJ was.

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                        • Originally posted by Name Taken View Post
                          After reading the last page and a half I'm just happy someone finally explained what PBJ was.
                          Oh, I could have told you that. You see, not everything can get null prossed at District Court. Sometimes, the seriousness of the crime and the fact that the officers and witnesses/victims actually showed up means the state's attorney has to take more serious action. That's when they pull out the PBJ. If that doesn't work and the judge won't allow any more postponements, the defendant requests a jury trial and the dance starts over again at Circuit Court.

                          Could you imagine what would happen if anything actually went to trial?

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                          • Originally posted by espantoon View Post
                            Oh, I could have told you that. You see, not everything can get null prossed at District Court. Sometimes, the seriousness of the crime and the fact that the officers and witnesses/victims actually showed up means the state's attorney has to take more serious action. That's when they pull out the PBJ. If that doesn't work and the judge won't allow any more postponements, the defendant requests a jury trial and the dance starts over again at Circuit Court.

                            Could you imagine what would happen if anything actually went to trial?
                            spoken like a true BPD vet! still hoping this changes with the new regime.

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                            • After reading the last page and a half I'm just happy someone finally explained what PBJ was.
                              And here I thought we were talking about a Peanut Butter & Jelly sammy this whole time jk
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                              • Originally posted by espantoon View Post
                                Oh, I could have told you that. You see, not everything can get null prossed at District Court. Sometimes, the seriousness of the crime and the fact that the officers and witnesses/victims actually showed up means the state's attorney has to take more serious action. That's when they pull out the PBJ. If that doesn't work and the judge won't allow any more postponements, the defendant requests a jury trial and the dance starts over again at Circuit Court.

                                Could you imagine what would happen if anything actually went to trial?
                                Not trying to be an a**. Just thought since earlier someone corrected what PBJ stood for, thought I'd correct that it's NOLLE PROSEQUI, not null prossed. No big deal, but just to throw that out there.

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