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    Anyone else on here getting BMV returns with two OLN's for one person? I'm seeing this more and more and wanted to get some input. I've even seen where a guy was valid under one OLN and then suspended under his other? Just wondering.

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    Yeah, I'm not sure why they do that.

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    • #3
      When they upgraded to the STARS system that double return started.

      I have seen it come up when someone has had a prior ID, LP, or OLN, that was suspended, then a reissue, or invalid, or a BMV issued OLN after someone got an Op Never Received.

      On our system it is a very unhelpful return, and the history of both numbers is useless. I would prefer getting only the most recent OLN.
      Do your best, do what is right

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      • #4
        Originally posted by IPDBrad View Post
        When they upgraded to the STARS system that double return started.

        I have seen it come up when someone has had a prior ID, LP, or OLN, that was suspended, then a reissue, or invalid, or a BMV issued OLN after someone got an Op Never Received.

        On our system it is a very unhelpful return, and the history of both numbers is useless. I would prefer getting only the most recent OLN.
        Correct, I've seen them on people who have moved out of the state, only to return several years later and get an Indiana license again.

        The other issue is when a parent goes and gets a state ID card for their kid, but it's not a learners permit, or operators license. Or if a juvenile receives a UTT...the BMV pulls a number, which acts as a control number, for the purpose of keeping track of that person's UTT. So lets say a 14 year old is given a UTT for possession of tobacco and they don't already have a BMV number. One will be pulled for him and assigned to him. When he goes several years later to get his Learners Permit, it may not come up that he's got a number already, thus when you run his name and DOB, both numbers will come up.

        The only way i've ever found it to be useful is when somebody has an alias, and has actually either been issued an ID under both, or has been issued a UTT under both. I know of one instance where a person who's name (which i'll change) was "John Smith-Williams" actually had an ID under both "John Smith" and "John S. Williams" John Smith-Williams was not HTV/Life. John S. Williams was HTV/Life. A quick check of the SSN's which matched up, a quick check of the address hsitory, which matched up...resulted in a quick trip to county for him.

        Otherwise, I've never found it useful.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by IPDBrad View Post
          When they upgraded to the STARS system that double return started.
          I had the misfortune of being in the full IDACS certification class just as that debacle was going down. The instructor told us about the screwing of the pooch right after it happened.

          There was a "test only database" where a pool of current driver's licenses was copied so that the testers could play with the software. The identifiers like SSN were stripped out because programmers would be able to see the information, too. It was supposed to be purged when the system went live, and the new data would take its place.

          The state pressurred the programmers to get the software out before they were actually ready too, and in the rush "purge" became "merge" and the STARS test database got stuck in with the real BMV info. Tthat's how we ended up with all those junk double OLN returns where one is all 0's for height/weight SSN, etc.
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          • #6
            I run into them the most when they've surrendered an ID card or license and gotten one reissued at a later time. You can copy one of the OLNs and run it that way, HOWEVER....

            Per the IDACS coordinator, only ~11% of 10-29s are entered into the system with an OLN, but 99% of them have a DOB, so if you're really looking/hoping for a warrant hit, do Name/DOB/Sex.

            Also, if someone is hispanic or of a mixed race, he suggests running them as "U" because when you run them as "W" you get everything but "B" responses and vice versa, but "U" returns every possible race.

            And finally, IDACS/NCIC only hits on the last name, so if somebody gives you their real last name but lies about their first, you would still get the hit on the real full name with matching DOB, etc. In the same vein, if they give you false first/real last name and after running a 10-29 they tell you their real first name, there is no need to re-run them, if they were neg with the same last name before, they will be again.

            Look into the felony vehicle file in IDACS. Apparently we (via Autodesk) can put cars in that are associated with felonies for officer safety or if we want them for evidentiary reasons.

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            • #7
              okay, blah blah balh, okay, blah blah blah, okay?

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              • #8
                HAHA

                Would it have made you feel like you were really there if I put "....k?" after every sentence?

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                • #9
                  Yes

                  And I apparently have to make this at least 10 characters or I can't reply.

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