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    Its funny how the merger worked out for our dept just in 2007 we patrolled the suburbs, outer downtown area and now we are in buildings and courts.. with exceptions of those that are assigned to do so. we all know there is insufficient police officer for crime to be lowered in a great city. It is time for the sheriff's dept to get road patrol back instead of being a shadow of IMPD which was thought to be a merger that would provide better protection( This is opinion)
    I heard it, i believe it, i awnsered.. THE CALL..

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    I am not trying to start an argument, but want to post some things. I have friends who are on county and IMPD.
    The merger was designed to do just what you said. It took the former county merit deputies and merged with IPD. That way, the special deputies could do the building, courts, civil, and jail. The sheriff initially was opposed to the merger, but when Bart told him he could be in charge, then he changed his mind. But, when Ballard got elected, all it took was a vote by the CC Council and poof, the mayor is back in charge. Well, that ****ed off Frank and the others at 40 S, so they started getting marked cars, etc for the special deputies who, about 5 years ago, never had marked cars to do their jobs. Another part of the issue is training. No new deputies are ILEA certified. The only "certified" ones are retired or ones who have gone through ILEA before. Working the street isn't as simple as just giving an officer keys and tell them to go take runs and stop cars. Jason Baker, Jake Laird, Jason Fishburn to name a few examples of that.
    I agree w/IndyCop4405. For those county guys who are in pretty good shape and want to work the streets of Indy, I invite you to apply for IMPD. Study, go to the workshops, read up on interviewing, etc, and hopefully you will get hired.
    There is also a LOT of animosity with the former merit deputies towards the current MCSD. Special deputies with a short time on getting newer cars than they have, getting promoted with no promotional process, etc.
    Again, I have friends on both departments, and both departments have officers/deputies who are goofs. I am not arguing about what department is better, just throwing some things out before you pass judgment about starting back a road patrol.

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    • #3
      I couldn't find anything nice to say about the relationship between IMPD and MCSD.
      Last edited by IndySoldier1983; 11-02-2009, 11:01 PM.

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      • #4
        Why? You'd be effectively undoing the merger. How about this. How about Indy elect a Sheriff who understands his role in the Law Enforcement field in Indianapolis. His job is to ensure the security of the courts, buildings and the jail. His job is not to patrol. It's as simple as that. There is nothing that the MCSD could accomplish by hiring 100 Deputies for a patrol division that IMPD couldn't accomplish by hiring 100 officers for their patrol division.

        Frank needs to stop grabbing for power and concentrate his efforts on doing the things that he is now responsible for, and stop trying to circumvent the City/County Council and Chief Spears.
        Originally posted by K40
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        • #5
          Originally posted by PtlCop View Post
          Why? You'd be effectively undoing the merger. How about this. How about Indy elect a Sheriff who understands his role in the Law Enforcement field in Indianapolis. His job is to ensure the security of the courts, buildings and the jail. His job is not to patrol. It's as simple as that. There is nothing that the MCSD could accomplish by hiring 100 Deputies for a patrol division that IMPD couldn't accomplish by hiring 100 officers for their patrol division.

          Frank needs to stop grabbing for power and concentrate his efforts on doing the things that he is now responsible for, and stop trying to circumvent the City/County Council and Chief Spears.
          Couldn't have said it better.

          502
          Retired Lawdawg & Proud IMPD Papa!




          "Justice is the one thing you should always find"
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          • #6
            Originally posted by INdeputysheriff View Post
            Its funny how the merger worked out for our dept just in 2007 we patrolled the suburbs, outer downtown area and now we are in buildings and courts.. with exceptions of those that are assigned to do so. we all know there is insufficient police officer for crime to be lowered in a great city. It is time for the sheriff's dept to get road patrol back instead of being a shadow of IMPD which was thought to be a merger that would provide better protection( This is opinion)
            I'm curious if you're a Merit Deputy, or a Special?

            502
            Retired Lawdawg & Proud IMPD Papa!




            "Justice is the one thing you should always find"
            Toby Keith

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            • #7
              After discussions I had yesterday I don't have much nice to say about this "merger", the City of Indianapolis, the City-County Counsil, or IMPD so I'm going to just say the "merger" needs to be undone, it's been a waste of tax payer money. Unfortunately it's not going to be undone, which is why I'm looking for career opportunities in other counties.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Munky View Post
                After discussions I had yesterday I don't have much nice to say about this "merger", the City of Indianapolis, the City-County Counsil, or IMPD so I'm going to just say the "merger" needs to be undone, it's been a waste of tax payer money. Unfortunately it's not going to be undone, which is why I'm looking for career opportunities in other counties.
                I can understand your frustration, but you have to admit that Marion County is a fluke in it's structure. Really the merger should have taken place 20+ years ago, when UNIGOV went into effect. In other counties there isn't one singular agency covering the entire county, and under the IC the Sheriff is responsible for LE in that event, but I'm not aware of any other County where the Sheriff is flooding the streets with CO's and Specials, they are all ILEA certified Road Deputies. The merger was the right thing to do under UNIGOV, even though it's problematic with the MCSD.
                Retired Lawdawg & Proud IMPD Papa!




                "Justice is the one thing you should always find"
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                • #9
                  I agree Anderson is a goof and needs to give it up. However why would the MCSD not be able to train deputies or reserves to the same standards as pre merger? Did they burn down their training facility and all of their records on how to train a deputy?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by PtlCop View Post
                    Why? You'd be effectively undoing the merger. How about this. How about Indy elect a Sheriff who understands his role in the Law Enforcement field in Indianapolis. His job is to ensure the security of the courts, buildings and the jail. His job is not to patrol. It's as simple as that. There is nothing that the MCSD could accomplish by hiring 100 Deputies for a patrol division that IMPD couldn't accomplish by hiring 100 officers for their patrol division.

                    Frank needs to stop grabbing for power and concentrate his efforts on doing the things that he is now responsible for, and stop trying to circumvent the City/County Council and Chief Spears.

                    Do not get The MCSD wrong at all we have been trained just like an IMPD officer has. we have the equipment to do as follows. That is your say we have the right to protect jails, buildings, and courts we do not have the right to protect citizens? Do not contridict IMPD STANDS FOR INDIANAPOLIS METROPOLITIAN( meaning it has merged) POLICE DEPARTMENT not Indianapolis PD anymore. It seems to me that IMPD is a little intmidated of MCSD. Frank is a great sheriff he is doing what any sheriff would do get his deputies in a postion where there training is not irrelevant.
                    I heard it, i believe it, i awnsered.. THE CALL..

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by IndyCop4405
                      I do see where you are coming from. It doesn't seem right that they took you off street patrol. Have you considered IMPD? I'm sure that they would consider a former MCSD.
                      That is the point IndyCop IMPD stand for merger. That like saying if i was a IMPD officer and you said have you thought about the MCSD we all are equal we all are law enforcement officer with different assingments.
                      I heard it, i believe it, i awnsered.. THE CALL..

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 55-502 View Post
                        I'm curious if you're a Merit Deputy, or a Special?

                        502

                        Both! my assingments are as directed! not intending to define special.
                        I heard it, i believe it, i awnsered.. THE CALL..

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Munky View Post
                          After discussions I had yesterday I don't have much nice to say about this "merger", the City of Indianapolis, the City-County Counsil, or IMPD so I'm going to just say the "merger" needs to be undone, it's been a waste of tax payer money. Unfortunately it's not going to be undone, which is why I'm looking for career opportunities in other counties.
                          I totally understand you on that but never give up on why you became a deputy be proud of your uniform and maintain stamina for we will be just as important as before
                          I heard it, i believe it, i awnsered.. THE CALL..

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MetroOff519 View Post
                            I am not trying to start an argument, but want to post some things. I have friends who are on county and IMPD.
                            The merger was designed to do just what you said. It took the former county merit deputies and merged with IPD. That way, the special deputies could do the building, courts, civil, and jail. The sheriff initially was opposed to the merger, but when Bart told him he could be in charge, then he changed his mind. But, when Ballard got elected, all it took was a vote by the CC Council and poof, the mayor is back in charge. Well, that ****ed off Frank and the others at 40 S, so they started getting marked cars, etc for the special deputies who, about 5 years ago, never had marked cars to do their jobs. Another part of the issue is training. No new deputies are ILEA certified. The only "certified" ones are retired or ones who have gone through ILEA before. Working the street isn't as simple as just giving an officer keys and tell them to go take runs and stop cars. Jason Baker, Jake Laird, Jason Fishburn to name a few examples of that.
                            I agree w/IndyCop4405. For those county guys who are in pretty good shape and want to work the streets of Indy, I invite you to apply for IMPD. Study, go to the workshops, read up on interviewing, etc, and hopefully you will get hired.
                            There is also a LOT of animosity with the former merit deputies towards the current MCSD. Special deputies with a short time on getting newer cars than they have, getting promoted with no promotional process, etc.
                            Again, I have friends on both departments, and both departments have officers/deputies who are goofs. I am not arguing about what department is better, just throwing some things out before you pass judgment about starting back a road patrol.

                            Point well taken..
                            I heard it, i believe it, i awnsered.. THE CALL..

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by INdeputysheriff View Post
                              Both! my assingments are as directed! not intending to define special.
                              Unless I'm mistaken, you can't be both. Let me re-phrase the question, are you ILEA Basic certified?

                              502
                              Retired Lawdawg & Proud IMPD Papa!




                              "Justice is the one thing you should always find"
                              Toby Keith

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