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  • MCSD Serving Criminal Warrants ????

    Granted, I have been out of the game a while and Marion County wasn't my primary response area, but I am confused at how Anderson is using his Special Deputies. I was under the impression that after the merger IMPD was responsible for criminal warrants, not MCSD. The State Constitution outlines the duties of County Sheriff to Jail operations, Courtline security, and civil paper process. His little "warrant squad" were the ones who shot a dog 9 times while serving a criminal warrant, and is now being sued by the family, and has created a firestorm in the papers. Does Anderson have the authority to use Building Deputies in this manor?
    Retired Lawdawg & Proud IMPD Papa!




    "Justice is the one thing you should always find"
    Toby Keith

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    The "deputies" he uses to serve warrants are mostly retired merit deputies. There are some newer special deputies on the squad too, but none of them have been to ILEA.
    IMPD initially did the criminal warrants, but when Mayor Ballard took over IMPD, a deal was cut that the sheriff would take over serving Criminal Warrants. They are in the "Law Enforcement" division of MCSD too.
    Of course, I also don't know why MCSD has marked cars any more when less than 30% of the specials employed by the department have had EVOC training. A special got in a short vehicle chase the other night and fortunately no one was hurt, but that too is a powder keg that will blow up.

    I think the state legislature should outline what special deputies are allowed and not allowed to do. Right now, there is nothing that says they can't serve warrants, etc.

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    • #3
      As long as they complete the 40 hour pre basic course from the ILEA they can do anything that a full time LEO can do. As long as MCSD permits it.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Hoosier_Boy View Post
        As long as they complete the 40 hour pre basic course from the ILEA they can do anything that a full time LEO can do. As long as MCSD permits it.
        You're right there, but doesn't mean they SHOULD be. I mean that from a training standpoint. ILEA and IMPD trains their students in how to make a traffic stop safely. They also train in EVO. MCSD doesn't. I think a traffic stop is one of the most dangerous things an officer on the street does.

        Serving a warrant is dangerous as well just by its nature. Does MCSD have training for their warrant people in how to serve them or do they just send them out and make a plan as they go? I know SWAT teams train extensively in how to make forced entries in certain situations, etc.

        MCSD has a 10 week Special Deputy Academy (no, it's not ILEA certified) but they don't even teach them how to recover a stolen vehicle, so they definitely have no training in warrant service.

        I hope NO officer ever gets injured but if a MCSD officer were injured serving a warrant, MCSD may get sued for failure to train, if they don't.

        I agree it's up to the department to allow what they can/can't do, so not trying to start any argument there, just giving some info for thought/discussion.

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        • #5
          If front line Law Enforcement is in their job description, then their academy training should be adjusted accordingly, but looking at the State Constitution it isn't. 10-4 on the powder keg!
          Retired Lawdawg & Proud IMPD Papa!




          "Justice is the one thing you should always find"
          Toby Keith

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          • #6
            I agree that anyone serving warrants shound have specialized training. It isn't normal LE call.
            On the flip side of this discussion is Marion County has like 25,000 open warrants. That sounds crazy. We need to clean that up some how. I know in our down time or OT, we check our beats for warrants by laptop. That is just a lot of warrants.

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            • #7
              MCSD should handle misdemeanor and non-violent D Felony warrants. IMPD should be given C Felony and higher warrants and could thereby utilize ERG, SWAT, etc.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by straycat62 View Post
                I agree that anyone serving warrants shound have specialized training. It isn't normal LE call.
                On the flip side of this discussion is Marion County has like 25,000 open warrants. That sounds crazy. We need to clean that up some how. I know in our down time or OT, we check our beats for warrants by laptop. That is just a lot of warrants.
                Just throw up a 10 foot high fence from Mitthoeffer to Shadeland, and from 38th to 46th and you would have half of them in custody.
                Retired Lawdawg & Proud IMPD Papa!




                "Justice is the one thing you should always find"
                Toby Keith

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by straycat62 View Post
                  We need to clean that up some how. I know in our down time or OT, we check our beats for warrants by laptop. That is just a lot of warrants.

                  A couple of those could be cleaned up if compared to death records. Sometimes people have a REALLY good reason for being FTA.
                  I miss you, Dave.
                  http://www.odmp.org/officer/20669-of...david-s.-moore

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                  • #10
                    *Knock knock knock* "It's the police! We have a warrant for Frank!"

                    Lady comes to the door "Frank has been dead for a year"

                    whoops!

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                    • #11
                      Some of those warrant guys ought to check for a pulse ---they've been around quite a while...

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                        Last edited by IndySoldier1983; 06-29-2009, 12:38 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 55-502 View Post
                          Just throw up a 10 foot high fence from Mitthoeffer to Shadeland, and from 38th to 46th and you would have half of them in custody.
                          10-4 on that

                          "MCSD should handle misdemeanor and non-violent D Felony warrants. IMPD should be given C Felony and higher warrants and could thereby utilize ERG, SWAT, etc."
                          10-4 on that

                          "A couple of those could be cleaned up if compared to death records. Sometimes people have a REALLY good reason for being FTA."
                          And 10-4 on that

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 55-502 View Post
                            Granted, I have been out of the game a while and Marion County wasn't my primary response area, but I am confused at how Anderson is using his Special Deputies. I was under the impression that after the merger IMPD was responsible for criminal warrants, not MCSD. The State Constitution outlines the duties of County Sheriff to Jail operations, Courtline security, and civil paper process. His little "warrant squad" were the ones who shot a dog 9 times while serving a criminal warrant, and is now being sued by the family, and has created a firestorm in the papers. Does Anderson have the authority to use Building Deputies in this manor?
                            What were they suppose to do, let the dog viciously maul them all to death?

                            Warrants is made up of mostly ex-Merit Deputies or ex- C.E.R.T. Team members. They all had to go through the Warrants Training, they do monthly In-service, and get recertified on everything...
                            IT IS WHAT IT IS

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jimmy777 View Post

                              Warrants is made up of mostly ex-Merit Deputies or ex- C.E.R.T. Team members. They all had to go through the Warrants Training, they do monthly In-service, and get recertified on everything...
                              good deal

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