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  • ht2121
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    Scotty I think you give a really fair and factual report on Elgin and LE in general. I was always very impressed by the officers of Elgin. When I was still looking to transfer within IL Elgin was always on the top of the my list. I just got an offer before they could call.

    The only thing I would add for those looking to get on is to do your research on the departments your applying and talk to the boots on the ground. I know many will disagree but I think the shotgun approach to applying everywhere isn't always the best.
    One persons dream department can end up being another persons nightmare. Learn everything you can, plus it will help you in an Oral board.
    I spent six years with a department that I really did not enjoy working for. And its not always easy to lateral or transfer.

    Scotty, again well said on your last post.

  • Waiting2017
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    Well said. Thanks.

  • scotty_appleton814
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    Originally posted by Waiting2017 View Post
    Well no kidding, doesn’t take a genius to figure out the poster is a former or current EPD guy/girl. Doesn’t sound like an opinion that they gave but more of a past experience. SA you work there now, is what they posted misinformation or factual , and just hard to accept?
    None of it to me personally or professionally is hard to except.

    The factual statement is that expect to be on mids or noons for a long time. Its collectively bargained that shifts are seniority based. So no, you wont be working day shift any time soon unless you get into a special division. Of which we have many. We have some bosses that are micro-managers. But they are the minority and you will have those at every department. Make no mistake, our bosses are also duty bound to be in the streets also unless they have administrative business to attend to. So they will show up on calls, make traffic stops, even make arrests if they have too. When its summer time and we're hopping and popping, chances are once or twice a night, a boss will be my back. And if it's my call, it's my call. Period. You don't have to be rude, but I never had that "not allowed to be the police moment" happen to me. Ummm, this is a much calmer Elgin than 10 to 15 years ago. I commend that fact on the officers who arrived here long before me and took out the trash. They did an awesome job. A lot of other cities are calmer now than they used to be. On the flip side, others are a lot more busy than they used to be. Trublue is right about our culture being on Facebook. Right about the schedule, it's "flexible" but it is set up the way because it's not collectively bargained to have set rotations of days off, or by seniority. That was before my time, but I assume it is that way for a reason. 1-5 years on the force, don't expect to be off every weekend. You haven't earned that. I havent earned that. But you will get some weekend days off. And if you don't like your schedule, we have enough OT here to keep your Comp-Time bank full. Use Comp.

    Some of it is misinformation as I have never been told to attend community meetings on unpaid time. Me personally, I have attended tons of community meetings outside of my duty hours and have been paid for everyone one. It becomes a sticky situation when you start asking people to work unpaid. There are potential union grievances and lawsuits possible. No one has ever told me to do so. But I digress, maybe (s)he was told otherwise. I'm only me.

    We are bigger city and have a higher call volume. We have our fair share of Part 1 crimes here in town. However, maybe it is slower than some would like, but the city is going through quite an unprecedented low in crime. And there are many places around the country who can say the same. But if you want to get your hands dirty working armed robberies, shootings, vehicle thefts, hijackings, homicides, identity theft, drugs, you name it. You will get your chance working a city of about 35ish square miles and about 110,000-120,000 people. You will have fun here.

    Elgin is very progressive when it comes to community relations and the technology front. One of the first departments in IL to equip our officers with body cameras and one of the first in the nation to establish a resident officer program. No matter how one "feels" about community policing, understand it is the past, current, and future waive of policing. It ain't going nowhere. If one decides to work local LE, you may want to make peace with that fact. That does not mean that one has to be a super soft snowflake cop. It does mean that one better have a very broad cultural (of someone NOT like themselves) view because odds off, you will not be policing areas where the people look and talk like yourself. Me personally, LE is the family business. I remember my father talking about I think they called it COPS in the 90s. And here I am today were are still in a different flavor of community policing. Make no mistake, you can kiss babies, shake hands with community brokers, give out all the puffy teddy bears you want. But you better have a plan to defeat each and every person you encounter because they may become a threat. The PD likes to make citizens feel like we are THEIR police department, and thats true. We pour enormous efforts into engaging our community. I make myself available here to each and every applicant here who approach me with questions, and I do not sugar coat either. We are a very capable, full-service, self-sufficient (minus a bomb squad) department.

    I'm rambling.
    Last edited by scotty_appleton814; 03-27-2018, 06:30 PM.

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  • Waiting2017
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    Well no kidding, doesn’t take a genius to figure out the poster is a former or current EPD guy/girl. Doesn’t sound like an opinion that they gave but more of a past experience. SA you work there now, is what they posted misinformation or factual , and just hard to accept?
    Last edited by Waiting2017; 03-26-2018, 05:29 PM.

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  • scotty_appleton814
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    Originally posted by ChiTownDet View Post
    It's obviously another Elgin or Ex-Elgin guy posting that.
    This is why I have said in the past that you are very wise buddy. You are right. I have to say I am about 90 percent sure I know the individual who posted the comment.

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  • rms0012
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    Now I know why you have the Det. title good sir!

  • ChiTownDet
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    It's obviously another Elgin or Ex-Elgin guy posting that.

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  • scotty_appleton814
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    It does matter. It seems as though you are complaining, rather passive-aggressively. So the first step I want to do is legitimize the complainant. It's no secret on this thread that I work for EPD, so I like to think that I am well versed in our department culture. As anyone who works anywhere or does anything they care about, I want the imagine of what EPD represents and brings to the table to be an accurate one.
    Last edited by scotty_appleton814; 03-24-2018, 07:22 AM. Reason: Cant spell

  • scotty_appleton814
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    Originally posted by TruBlue View Post
    I feel the need to dispel some misconceptions here. Just because Elgin is a larger department, many feel like it is a great place to work. The grass ain't always greener. Not the worst out there, but certainly not the best.

    First of all, you will not be allowed "to be the police." In fact, quite the opposite. Expect to start on midnights or afternoons, where you will be micromanaged by the bosses. They will show up to the most trivial calls and turn them into critical incidents. New officers really don't get to learn how to make sound decisions on their own because there is usually a supervisor there making them for you. That's caused by the administration who wants to be involved in everything. Also, Elgin is not a "busy" town anymore. Recent events aside, Elgin is pretty quiet. Ask anyone on USA or in GCU (Gang Crimes Unit). The city is not what it was 10-15 years ago. A lot of new guys ride the coattails of the past and the Elgin name, but they have no idea what it's like to be busy. Ask anyone with more than 10 years on the difference in activity from then to today. Elgin is a larger city, so there will obviously be higher call volume than a smaller town, but it's relative. When most cops think of "busy" they think of in-progress/hot calls. There's not a lot of those anymore.

    While we're on administration, a look at Facebook will tell you the culture of the department. Policing has changed drastically over the last decade or so, and it's understandable that departments embrace the community policing philosophy. Elgin takes that to another level. If you want your career to progress, you will be EXPECTED to attend community events on your own time and without pay. There are times when you will get paid for going to community meetings and such, but part of your annual evaluation will probably include a goal of attending a certain number of events off-duty. You can bring in all the bad guys you want, but if you're not making the Facebook page, you're not getting ahead.

    Schedule. Elgin claims to have a "very flexible schedule" where officers bid on their days off. Essentially what happens is every 28 day schedule rotation, you will request 8 days off. How the days off are awarded is by seniority and really however the supervisor making the schedule wants to give them. There is no actual policy on how days off must be given. What that means, especially for a new person, is plan on working most weekends and holidays. For years. Now lets be clear. In this profession, no one should expect to have weekends and holidays off. Certainly not a new person. But, it is also unreasonable to make new guys work almost all of them. For example, let's say you're new. You worked Easter, Memorial Day, Fourth of July, Labor Day and you want Thanksgiving off? Forget it. Unless you have a great reason, like the birth of a child or you're getting married, it's not going to happen. About the only thing a newer person will get is the option of having either Christmas or New Years off. You WILL work every other holiday. So what ends up happening is you have people with 10+ years on that get everything they want off, and people with less than that getting stuck working. Now most bosses are reasonable and will try to accommodate you if you have a wedding or family event. That said, you will probably just get that one day. So a single Saturday, if you're lucky. Also, your days off can be split. So if you request a Monday-Tuesday and patrol is short Tuesday, you can be given Monday Thursday or whatever. The administration refuses to give set shift minimums and they will adjust how many officers they want on a given day and shift as they see fit.

    Comp-time in Elgin is awesome! You submit a comp request within 72 hours and as long as there aren't more than four people who have already comp'd off, your request cannot be denied. Even if they have to pay OT. What ends up happening is newer people end up comping off a lot if they want good days off. But of course there's a caveat. No comp time while you're on probation. So not only are you likely not getting good days off on your regular picks, you can't comp off to get better days either. Here's the other kicker. The officer with the least seniority on a shift can be mandated to work the entire next shift. So if you're junior officer on afternoons in the summer and a midnight shifter calls in sick...you just got yourself 8 more hours on midnight shift. Not only does that apply to sick calls, but comp time requests as well. Example: I want next Saturday off on comp time. I request it and it is approved, knowing it will short the day shift. The bosses put out an email to everyone asking if they want the overtime. No one does. Next Saturday comes and there are still no overtime takers. At the end of your midnight shift, if you are the low person, you're getting mandated to work for me. So not only can a probationer not take comp time, you can be forced to work a double to cover comp time for someone else.

    Hands down the way scheduling is done is the worst part of this department. If you're considering coming over from another department just keep that in mind.

    Elgin is a larger department, however. And that certainly means more opportunities. There are a lot of specialties and if you're a hard worker and play politics right it shouldn't take long to get one. In the last year a couple guys on probation even made SWAT. Not sure that's the best idea, but I guess the opportunity is there.

    All in all, Elgin isn't a horrible place to work. But most people will only tell you about the good things. If you're thinking of coming to this department you should have all the information. The pay is one of the best in the suburbs and most people who get hired stay for their career. Couple people left in the last year and I know of a couple others in the pipeline for other gigs, but overall most people stay. If you have questions feel free to send me a message, I'll be honest...
    A majority what you posted is of your own opinion. And you are entitled to your own opinion.
    Last edited by scotty_appleton814; 03-24-2018, 07:17 AM.

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  • TruBlue
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    Does it matter if it's true? If I said something incorrect feel free to correct me.

  • scotty_appleton814
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    So how did you gather this information?

  • TruBlue
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    I feel the need to dispel some misconceptions here. Just because Elgin is a larger department, many feel like it is a great place to work. The grass ain't always greener. Not the worst out there, but certainly not the best.

    First of all, you will not be allowed "to be the police." In fact, quite the opposite. Expect to start on midnights or afternoons, where you will be micromanaged by the bosses. They will show up to the most trivial calls and turn them into critical incidents. New officers really don't get to learn how to make sound decisions on their own because there is usually a supervisor there making them for you. That's caused by the administration who wants to be involved in everything. Also, Elgin is not a "busy" town anymore. Recent events aside, Elgin is pretty quiet. Ask anyone on USA or in GCU (Gang Crimes Unit). The city is not what it was 10-15 years ago. A lot of new guys ride the coattails of the past and the Elgin name, but they have no idea what it's like to be busy. Ask anyone with more than 10 years on the difference in activity from then to today. Elgin is a larger city, so there will obviously be higher call volume than a smaller town, but it's relative. When most cops think of "busy" they think of in-progress/hot calls. There's not a lot of those anymore.

    While we're on administration, a look at Facebook will tell you the culture of the department. Policing has changed drastically over the last decade or so, and it's understandable that departments embrace the community policing philosophy. Elgin takes that to another level. If you want your career to progress, you will be EXPECTED to attend community events on your own time and without pay. There are times when you will get paid for going to community meetings and such, but part of your annual evaluation will probably include a goal of attending a certain number of events off-duty. You can bring in all the bad guys you want, but if you're not making the Facebook page, you're not getting ahead.

    Schedule. Elgin claims to have a "very flexible schedule" where officers bid on their days off. Essentially what happens is every 28 day schedule rotation, you will request 8 days off. How the days off are awarded is by seniority and really however the supervisor making the schedule wants to give them. There is no actual policy on how days off must be given. What that means, especially for a new person, is plan on working most weekends and holidays. For years. Now lets be clear. In this profession, no one should expect to have weekends and holidays off. Certainly not a new person. But, it is also unreasonable to make new guys work almost all of them. For example, let's say you're new. You worked Easter, Memorial Day, Fourth of July, Labor Day and you want Thanksgiving off? Forget it. Unless you have a great reason, like the birth of a child or you're getting married, it's not going to happen. About the only thing a newer person will get is the option of having either Christmas or New Years off. You WILL work every other holiday. So what ends up happening is you have people with 10+ years on that get everything they want off, and people with less than that getting stuck working. Now most bosses are reasonable and will try to accommodate you if you have a wedding or family event. That said, you will probably just get that one day. So a single Saturday, if you're lucky. Also, your days off can be split. So if you request a Monday-Tuesday and patrol is short Tuesday, you can be given Monday Thursday or whatever. The administration refuses to give set shift minimums and they will adjust how many officers they want on a given day and shift as they see fit.

    Comp-time in Elgin is awesome! You submit a comp request within 72 hours and as long as there aren't more than four people who have already comp'd off, your request cannot be denied. Even if they have to pay OT. What ends up happening is newer people end up comping off a lot if they want good days off. But of course there's a caveat. No comp time while you're on probation. So not only are you likely not getting good days off on your regular picks, you can't comp off to get better days either. Here's the other kicker. The officer with the least seniority on a shift can be mandated to work the entire next shift. So if you're junior officer on afternoons in the summer and a midnight shifter calls in sick...you just got yourself 8 more hours on midnight shift. Not only does that apply to sick calls, but comp time requests as well. Example: I want next Saturday off on comp time. I request it and it is approved, knowing it will short the day shift. The bosses put out an email to everyone asking if they want the overtime. No one does. Next Saturday comes and there are still no overtime takers. At the end of your midnight shift, if you are the low person, you're getting mandated to work for me. So not only can a probationer not take comp time, you can be forced to work a double to cover comp time for someone else.

    Hands down the way scheduling is done is the worst part of this department. If you're considering coming over from another department just keep that in mind.

    Elgin is a larger department, however. And that certainly means more opportunities. There are a lot of specialties and if you're a hard worker and play politics right it shouldn't take long to get one. In the last year a couple guys on probation even made SWAT. Not sure that's the best idea, but I guess the opportunity is there.

    All in all, Elgin isn't a horrible place to work. But most people will only tell you about the good things. If you're thinking of coming to this department you should have all the information. The pay is one of the best in the suburbs and most people who get hired stay for their career. Couple people left in the last year and I know of a couple others in the pipeline for other gigs, but overall most people stay. If you have questions feel free to send me a message, I'll be honest...

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  • scotty_appleton814
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    Originally posted by Gobears01 View Post
    Hey guys! I’m pumped that the hiring process is open again. I got 64/60 that were accepted so I was pretty upset last time I didn’t make it. Question...is it still top 60 move on? Is it still only military eligibility points after making the list? I’m certified with 2+ yrs experience and wished Elgin gave you a bump for it.
    You are correct buddy. We do take the top 60 scores and move them to backgrounds. And we only give preference to military. But those preference points can make the difference between not making the top 60 to all the way of hiring. 2 years on, what dept you work at? Feel free and PM if you want. I would definitely say apply and shoot your shot anyways buddy. Let me know if you have anymore questions.

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  • Gobears01
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    Hey guys! I’m pumped that the hiring process is open again. I got 64/60 that were accepted so I was pretty upset last time I didn’t make it. Question...is it still top 60 move on? Is it still only military eligibility points after making the list? I’m certified with 2+ yrs experience and wished Elgin gave you a bump for it.

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  • scotty_appleton814
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    Yup. Final offers mainly have an academy date attached to it not too far after your hire date. Final offer means you got offered the job for real and it's yours long as you don't mess it up.

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