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  • DOAcop38
    South central escapee...
    • Oct 2005
    • 5374

    #31
    Originally posted by hankido2000
    During oral interviews most of the interviewers know that I'm Middle Eastern due to my first name and the hyphenated last name. Then they'll proceed with the "Do you speak Arabic?" question.
    you KNOW the SAD part- they( people in L.E. mgm't) still THINK that all arabic speaking people are the ONLY ones involved in "terrorism"-most of the real problems in world global terror on the "islamic side" ARE NOT middle eastern nor Arab(Pakistanis and Iranians ,Chechens,asians, africans,Afghani,even western converts and "pseudo muslim" african americans,like the former crips recently convicted of robbery and terror plots in Torrance,CA)

    but hey, you have a second language,and education-use it to your advantage....
    "we're americans ! We don't quit because we're wrong, we just keep doing it wrong UNTIL it turns out Right"...

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    • DOAcop38
      South central escapee...
      • Oct 2005
      • 5374

      #32
      Originally posted by TF16A1
      .....We have civilians who don't like cops anyway decide who we hire, most of these are of non-white decent who at one time had one of there family members booked on the 13th floor from a white cop from 1970's but still hold against all other white applicants. But then again LASD has the bowman act so....... It is what it is!!!!
      Thats funny- I could have sworn it was because alot of folks on the "civie" side merely held it against fellow L.E. in the city of L.A becuase some COME with this very "ARROGANT" attitude that they have been "annointed" to be cops??? Maybe its just me, but having been down to temple street quite a few time, I've noticed, even "overheard" some of the most absurd comments from applicants about "why" they DESERVE to be a cop in a city they've rarely visited or even lived in !!!!.

      BTW- never had any family member (unless it was a distant relative ) booked on the 13th flr.and I've always SCORED high on entrance exams as well as in the top tier in promotional exams since I've been on the job- guess it was all that "affirmative action" ,and NOT the FACT that in my youth,I was well read and fairly articulate and Bright!( actually had a female Sgt in one of my police interviews ask me IF I was "Mulatto",which in spanish refers to a "donkey"-a dumb ,non breeding beast of burden ! ). My LAPD academy had a mere handful of Blk candidates- of the 7/60+ classmates, 4 had their B.A degree,one of which was an LAPD "Legacy",and son of a Ad-vice Lt,3 of the 6 were former Sgts in the Army and Marines,and one a Navy Petty Chief and Muy Thai instructor,and of course -"dumb" ol' me with 6 units shy-at the time- of my AA degree.

      It was federal decrees that FORCED LAPD to hire more minorities in the late '70s and early '80s- the Sheriffs dept in the '70s',as "cowboy" as they were, would actually HIRE MORE visible minorities,in terms of Blks and Hisps,even asians.

      Places like 77th and So.West div were rife with racial animousity toward minority officers ,even in the late '80s.As recently as a few yrs ago a former LAPD Wht female Capt and "shining star" in the Dept( later convicted of video piracy and criminal enterprises with her Biker Gang boyfriend) was "happy" with the reputation of bullying Blk and hisp employees- Do you REALLY "think" that type of mentality doesn't have reprocussions? As far as White applicants being "squeeky" clean to get in?- not really.A former neighbor used meth, hung with a-holes and made it thru in 2000;he's NOW a Sgt in west L.A.People get hired under the "faulty" belief that the the polygraph will "tell all"- alot of people pass it.and if your B.I. can't uncover your dirt,most people AREN'T going to reveal it.The mere fact that there is so much competition for wht applicants is BECAUSE ALOT OF WHT APPLICANTS apply for the job,over alot of "visible minorities"!

      I truly don't believe in "quotas",but it wasn't until the late '80s /early '90s when the idea of a "fair" chance for EVERYONE who is "qualified" actually started taking root.NOW the "PC" pendulum has swung way over to the left,and alot of people who SHOULDN'T be on the dept are getting promoted,almost just "given" the position -because they have the right butt kiss mentality or "paint job".Its a lame attempt to make up for all the people who took a kick in the mouth and busted their butts to make it on the job in the past -people ,who-like Charles P.williams and Earl Riddick, had to pay the price to "prove themselves".

      In my academy class,all I heard all day was about "when I get down to the southend" or "can't wait to get my ghetto stompers(boots) dirty",or " I want to be a REAL Ghetto gunfighter" ,but unlike the non L.A. /L.A county residents that said this- I actually SAW in my childhood and teens what a few AGGRO LAPD officers liked to do to "less fortunate" locals when I lived in first Newton area,then 77th area.Those SAME officers would have NEVER gotten away with doing that Sh*t in the OC to their lneighbors or people they CARED about...


      WE can hark about unfairness all day- and whether you like it or not ,in terms of hiring- you'll find their are always two sides of the coin. As for people capable to hire on? I will support ANYONE( regardless of race) who comes my way to get on the job- all I ask is that they have MORE than a desire to collect a paycheck.This job requires people-regardless of race or sex, who are willing to take up the badge.and in todays perilous LE world,we need smarter,stronger,braver people..........
      Last edited by DOAcop38; 07-29-2008, 01:00 AM.
      "we're americans ! We don't quit because we're wrong, we just keep doing it wrong UNTIL it turns out Right"...

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      • LA Copper
        Forum Member
        • Feb 2006
        • 1157

        #33
        Originally posted by Flanker
        This is a bit unrelated to the main topic...

        I have only been to LA once before, and I of course will be coming into LA for the expedited testing...but will me being unfamiliar with the city be detrimental?
        If you're referring to detrimental to your being hired, then no, it won't be, although I recommend you do some research to become somewhat familiar with the City. There are many of us from outside California, myself included, who are on the job here in LA. I too did the expedited testing 20 years ago and it worked for me.

        As for white guys getting on the job, I currently sit on entry level oral interviews and can tell you that you stand just as much of a chance of getting hired as anyone. We are still trying to hire a lot of folks so it's pretty much even all around.

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        • DOAcop38
          South central escapee...
          • Oct 2005
          • 5374

          #34
          Originally posted by LA Copper
          If you're referring to detrimental to your being hired, then no, it won't be, although I recommend you do some research to become somewhat familiar with the City. There are many of us from outside California, myself included, who are on the job here in LA. I too did the expedited testing 20 years ago and it worked for me.

          As for white guys getting on the job, I currently sit on entry level oral interviews and can tell you that you stand just as much of a chance of getting hired as anyone. We are still trying to hire a lot of folks so it's pretty much even all around.
          Thanks-LA COPPER !! really tired of hearing that mess ! all an applicant needs come to the job with is good interview skills, clean record ,physically fit, and with some decent work and life experience( education is also a +) Part of the job is,like many priv. industry jobs, actually meeting and SEEING the applicant- I advise the applicants to present yourself in clean,"conservative" manner,and you will open doors.........
          "we're americans ! We don't quit because we're wrong, we just keep doing it wrong UNTIL it turns out Right"...

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          • pulicords
            "Retired"
            • Jan 2006
            • 5529

            #35
            Double post-sorry!
            Last edited by pulicords; 07-28-2008, 08:24 PM.
            "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."

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            • pulicords
              "Retired"
              • Jan 2006
              • 5529

              #36
              "It was federal decrees that FORCED LAPD to hire more minorities in the late '70s and early '80s- the Sheriffs dept in the '70s',as "cowboy" as they were, would actually HIRE MORE visible minorities,in terms of Blks and Hisps,even asians." (From DOAcop38)

              The above really should be cleared up DOA. It wasn't a "federal decree", it was a Consent decree that the defendants' (the ultra liberal Los Angeles City Council) agreed to in federal court which led to unrealistic hiring "goals" (quotas) of minorities by that municipality. A real stacked deck when all things are considered. The same liberal groups who were suing the city (ie: ACLU, etc...) included as members or supporters the very defendants (City Council members) that were being sued. When those unrealistic hiring "goals" (quotas) were agreed upon by the too "friendly" rivals, the real losers were the police department and the people it served. The L.A. City Council members who approved the plan were now completely unaccountable for the social engineering experiment, just like they would be when they voted to allow a liberal federal judge to control the agency as a result of the "Rampart Scandal."

              LASD in those early years and since, have managed to hire large numbers of qualified minorities because they've had a more aggressive recruitment program and believed affirmative action programs didn't need to lower standards to meet goals so long as those goals were reasonable.

              The cultures of both departments differ and how to change the nature of any organization is open to discussion and debate, but to deny that the City of Los Angeles has made it easier to get hired if one is a member of the "targeted group" (those they want) is just as much nonsense as it is to deny the other more easily found applicants (W/Ms) will be passed over using any possible excuse. IMHO, this pertains not just to hiring, but the promotional process too. Even though I've not been employed by either agency full time, I've seen enough situations personally to be thoroughly convinced it's happening. It's a sad situation that's going to continue to plague the department (LAPD) for years to come and only seems to make racial divides worse over time. The organization, it's employees and the City's residents deserve better.
              Last edited by pulicords; 07-28-2008, 08:22 PM.
              "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."

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              • DOAcop38
                South central escapee...
                • Oct 2005
                • 5374

                #37
                "funny" you mention the target group hiring!!!- ONCE LA city started hiring MORE Wht male officers, and placing them at LAXPD, Airport PD GOT BETTER training,equipment and PAY...
                ..
                but "yes" the city DOES deeserve better- currently they are hiring anyone who DOESN'T like the idea of being a cop,but wants the $60-90K/yr paycheck
                "we're americans ! We don't quit because we're wrong, we just keep doing it wrong UNTIL it turns out Right"...

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                • Sarkis
                  Forum Member
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 1206

                  #38
                  Originally posted by DOAcop38
                  "funny" you mention the target group hiring!!!- ONCE LA city started hiring MORE Wht male officers, and placing them at LAXPD, Airport PD GOT BETTER training,equipment and PAY...
                  ..
                  but "yes" the city DOES deeserve better- currently they are hiring anyone who DOESN'T like the idea of being a cop,but wants the $60-90K/yr paycheck
                  It's interesting that you mention what I bold, I didn't think people who didn't want to be police officers would apply because of pay until a while ago that there was a discussion I read that some officers dodge calls, that could be someone's life.

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                  • pulicords
                    "Retired"
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 5529

                    #39
                    Originally posted by DOAcop38
                    "funny" you mention the target group hiring!!!- ONCE LA city started hiring MORE Wht male officers, and placing them at LAXPD, Airport PD GOT BETTER training,equipment and PAY...
                    ..
                    but "yes" the city DOES deeserve better- currently they are hiring anyone who DOESN'T like the idea of being a cop,but wants the $60-90K/yr paycheck
                    We had/have similar issues too. I had F/W was assigned to me as a ride along before completing the hiring process. She told me she decided to be a cop, because firefighter friends convinced her being a paramedic was too stressful! We ended up hiring her and the problems she caused were endless. Ultimately she left for "greener pastures"- LAPD! Our loss was their.... loss!
                    "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."

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                    • LAschoolCop
                      Colonel Skool
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 3329

                      #40
                      I say LASO...Two words Consent Decree!!

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                      • DOAcop38
                        South central escapee...
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 5374

                        #41
                        Originally posted by LAschoolCop
                        I say LASO...Two words Consent Decree!!
                        ..you mean "condescending 3rd degree" !!! if you are patrol and dirt under your fingers oriented- I say LASD also( they have alot of specialized positions,but from talking to my LASD buds, its "all about patrol",then maybe back to custody or courts when you're older) But if fast tracking and specialty jumping is where your heads at- LAPD(patrol officers are treated like crap in LAPD,and I've watched guys I know in West bureau get dround down over some of the dumbest stuff- Know an officer who had an IA hanging over his head because he recovered an abandoned stolen,found porn mags and tapes in it, but didn't throw the stuff out when the owner was notified to come on the scene and get the cars back!!!) Despite both posive and negative opinions of LAPD- I believe the consent decree was a SERIOUS joke that put unneeded shackles on them......
                        "we're americans ! We don't quit because we're wrong, we just keep doing it wrong UNTIL it turns out Right"...

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                        • pulicords
                          "Retired"
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 5529

                          #42
                          Originally posted by DOAcop38
                          Despite both posive and negative opinions of LAPD- I believe the consent decree was a SERIOUS joke that put unneeded shackles on them......
                          Well we sure agree on this point. When I was assigned to a taskforce with LAPD officers a suspect made a BS theft allegation. To me 'BFD', the allegation was totally groundless and I had no problem with it. IMO (with my agency) if you haven't done anything wrong, don't worry about complaint(s). With the LAPD guys it was as if the sky was falling! They were terrified about consequences due to the complaint alone, not whether or not there was any truth to it. How they could work in that fearful environment was beyond me.

                          Thread hijack on topic: About the time of the above, I went to lunch and (in addition to food) picked up a diamond ring I bought custom made for my wife as an anniversary present. While unpacking my lunch, I "accidentally" dropped the boxed ring on the floor where one of my LAPD co-workers obsd it.

                          When he picked it up and asked if it dropped out of my bag, I denied knowing anything about it. He opened the box, saw it's content and freaked out!!!! He thought it was an IA "sting" and started searching the office for hidden cameras. Of course I ultimately told him the truth (ROTFLMFAO!!!!), but WTF kind of a place to work in where you even think like that???
                          "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."

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                          • Berlioz
                            Forum Member
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 756

                            #43
                            Originally posted by DOAcop38
                            Know an officer who had an IA hanging over his head because he recovered an abandoned stolen,found porn mags and tapes in it, but didn't throw the stuff out when the owner was notified to come on the scene and get the cars back!!!)
                            Im trying to figure out how IA would even make a beef out of that. Wouldn't it be more wrong to throw things away on your own assumption? I was taught that unless its weapons of potential evidence, dont touch it.
                            LAPD

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                            • pulicords
                              "Retired"
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 5529

                              #44
                              What ever became of the officer(s) that impounded the TC vehicle in the Valley and didn't notice the deceased passenger during the inventory search?
                              "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."

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                              • LAschoolCop
                                Colonel Skool
                                • Jan 2008
                                • 3329

                                #45
                                Originally posted by pulicords
                                What ever became of the officer(s) that impounded the TC vehicle in the Valley and didn't notice the deceased passenger during the inventory search?
                                Nice!!! hahahahaha

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