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  • L-1
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    Originally posted by A380 View Post
    Pay period doesn't necessarily change salary. You just have to make sure you're comparing apples to apples.

    The three most popular are Bi-weekly, paid for every 80 hours, 26 pay periods. Semi-monthly, paid for every 86.6 hours, 24 pay periods. And monthly 173 hours, 12 near equal pay periods.

    You have three people getting paid $60,000 year for 2080 hours.

    A gets 26 checks a year, for $2,308 twice a month*
    B gets 24 checks a year, for $2,500 twice a month
    C gets 12 checks a year, for $5,000 a month

    Any way you split it they're all making $28.85 an hour, or $60K a year.


    Your friend wasn't getting paid less because he would've been only getting 12 checks a month. It sounds like he went from 26 checks a year at $2500 to 12 checks a year at $5000. Which is $65,000 vs $60,000 or a 8% decrease, which is exactly what you said. The easiest thing to do is compare hourly rate.
    You've kind of got the point I was trying to make.

    When it comes to pay, people often fail to consider that a month is around 4.34 weeks. Instead, because they get paid every two weeks in California, they tend to think of a month as being only four weeks. If you ask people what they make per month, most won't quote pay scales. Instead, they will multiply their last paycheck X2 and tell you that is their monthly salary, because that is what they get and that is what they believe.

    Then, they switch to State service where they do not get half the promised salary every two weeks. Instead, they get all of it once every 4.34 weeks. This is when they come to realize that they have been hoodwinking themselves as to what they really made in their prior jobs, by counting four weeks as a month and feel they have just taken a huge pay cut.

    It's all in their mindset. They just need to know ahead of time what's going on. As with my friend, he was counting 4 weeks pay to be his monthly salary with his old agency. When he compared 4.34 weeks pay at his old agency against his new state salary, only then did he realize how much of a financial hit he'd taken.

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  • A380
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    Pay period doesn't necessarily change salary. You just have to make sure you're comparing apples to apples.

    The three most popular are Bi-weekly, paid for every 80 hours, 26 pay periods. Semi-monthly, paid for every 86.6 hours, 24 pay periods. And monthly 173 hours, 12 near equal pay periods.

    You have three people getting paid $60,000 year for 2080 hours.

    A gets 26 checks a year, for $2,308 twice a month*
    B gets 24 checks a year, for $2,500 twice a month
    C gets 12 checks a year, for $5,000 a month

    Any way you split it they're all making $28.85 an hour, or $60K a year.


    Your friend wasn't getting paid less because he would've been only getting 12 checks a month. It sounds like he went from 26 checks a year at $2500 to 12 checks a year at $5000. Which is $65,000 vs $60,000 or a 8% decrease, which is exactly what you said. The easiest thing to do is compare hourly rate.
    Last edited by A380; 12-28-2019, 03:18 AM.

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  • L-1
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    Originally posted by A380 View Post

    So what you’re saying is since in 2019: March, May, August, November had 5 weeks in them you’re working an extra week for the same amount of pay?
    No. The state has broken the year into 12 "Near Equal" pay periods. Near Equal means they try to even out the number of hours worked in each pay period, taking into consideration how many days off there are in that pay period and where those days off fall in relation to the start and end of the month. Paid holidays are looked at as hours worked.

    There were 31 days in the March 2019 pay period. 4.43 weeks, 21 Work days, 168 hours worked

    There were 30 days in the May 2019 pay period. 4.28 weeks, 22 work days, 176 hours worked

    There were 30 days in the August 2019 pay period. 4.28 weeks, 22 Work days, 176 hours worked

    There were 31 days in the November 2019 pay period, 4.43 weeks, 22 work days, 176 hours worked

    To get a better feel of the pay periods, number of days, number of hours, take a look at

    https://www.documents.dgs.ca.gov/dgs/fmc/pdf/std640.pdf

    It shows their breakdown for both 2019 and (scroll down) 2020.

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  • A380
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    Originally posted by L-1 View Post

    Just a word of caution -
    So what you’re saying is since in 2019: March, May, August, November had 5 weeks in them you’re working an extra week for the same amount of pay?

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  • L-1
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    Originally posted by dctalk523 View Post
    Thanks. So if there’s 245 ppl on this list and I’m in rank 3 do I still have a shot?
    Are you the only one in Rank 3 or are you one of many in Band 3?

    Once upon a time, the state conducted honest testing. The written was weighted 60% and the oral was weighted 40%. If 245 people passed both, there were 245 people on the list in 245 different positions based on their combined scores. Scored may have varied by a fraction of a point and rarely did two people tie for the same position, but there were 245 actual positions on the list.

    Back in the 1980s, some agencies started banding. Some would create 5 bands (ranks), others 3 bands, etc. How many bands was up to the agency. As an example, an agency that elected to have 5 bands might put everyone who scored 95 to 100 in band 1, 89 to 94 in band 2, 83 to 88 in Band 3, 77 to 82 in band 4, and 70 to 76 in band 5.

    Under the rule of 3, they could then select anyone fom bands 1, 2 or 3, (scores 77 to 100). Aside from throwing merit out the window, this allowed them to pick and choose from 60% of the people who passed the test. They could select because they were a friend, went to the same church, because they liked the suit they wore to the oral, trhey liked the way they parted their hair, because of their ethnicity, or gender, or any other thing that suited their fancy.

    So, if you are the only one in rank 3, you stand a good chance. If you are one of many in band 3, keep applying elsewhere.

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  • dctalk523
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    Thanks. So if there’s 245 ppl on this list and I’m in rank 3 do I still have a shot?

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  • VC805
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    Originally posted by dctalk523 View Post
    Anyone else finding a hard time trying to find your ranking?
    Log into the CalCareers website>Exam / Assessment Records>Click on List Code 17065

    Your score and rank will be listed. View ELD (right hand side) for more stats.

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  • dctalk523
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    Anyone else finding a hard time trying to find your ranking?

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  • dctalk523
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    Any updates?

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  • GGD_CHP
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    If you passed, you passed. The State of California takes seriously the employment rights for applicants. Couple that with the reality that every law enforcement agency in the state needs to hire every single qualified applicant they can find. As a background investigator for the CHP, I can tell you definitively that no one cares about your T-score if you met the minimum qualification. There is likely zero benefit in scoring higher. I would check with a DFG recruiter before going through that trouble.

  • L-1
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    Originally posted by dctalk523 View Post

    Im going to retake the test and aim to score higher. Scored a 48 and I know I can score higher. Currently work for a large LEO agency in LA and hope it helps with pushing my bg papers.
    Just a word of caution -

    If you work for a local agency, you are more than likely getting paid every two weeks and equate your monthly salary to 4 weeks equaling 1 month.

    While the State of California shows a monthly salary, it is exempt from state law that requires paycheck every two weeks and only pays once a month. Because some months are longer and some are shorter, the state breaks each year into what it calls "12 near-equal pay periods", which when averaged out are 176 working hours per period, or 4.4 weeks. You can see what they look like here https://www.documents.dgs.ca.gov/dgs/fmc/pdf/std640.pdf

    There are 13 - 4 week pay periods in a year, but there are only 12 near-equal pay periods in a year. Most local agency personnel transferring to the state fail to realize that and only after they get here do they realize the salary they will be receiving comes out to 92.3% less than what they thought it was in their head.

    If pay is a big factor for you, do the math before you jump ship. Many years ago, one of my friends left a Southern California PD after 10 years on the job, to take a spot as a Special Agent with DOJ. He knew he was taking a pay cut, but he would get a take home car, paid cell phone and pager, no commute and thought he would make up some of the loss with overtime. It wasn't until his first day at the DOJ academy that he learned about how the state pays and that he would be getting 8% less than the first pay cut he thought he would be taking. He quit on the spot, drove home and begged his Chief for his old job back (which he got).
    Last edited by L-1; 11-14-2019, 06:27 PM.

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  • VC805
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    Negative. Hopefully something by end of month.

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  • dctalk523
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    Anyone get an update?

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  • VC805
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    Originally posted by dctalk523 View Post
    I got my test results and did worse. I passed but disappointed at my score.
    Don't be discouraged. You may still place in a decent rank. Fingers crossed!

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  • dctalk523
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    I got my test results and did worse. I passed but disappointed at my score.

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