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  • CA Dept. of Insurance Hiring

    Multiple positions available in multiple offices. See below links.


    https://www.calcareers.ca.gov/CalHrP...ntrolId=153236

    https://www.calcareers.ca.gov/CalHrP...ntrolId=153247

    https://www.calcareers.ca.gov/CalHrP...ntrolId=153260

    https://www.calcareers.ca.gov/CalHrP...ntrolId=153306

    https://www.calcareers.ca.gov/CalHrP...ntrolId=153327
    Running is not a plan, running is what you do when a plan fails. -Tremors

  • #2
    So... I found it interesting that you guys have to sign a document stating personal financial conflict of interest. Your pay seems low when you factor in decisions that could personally financially impact a Fraud Investigator, coupled with having to work/live in the SF Bay Area (Benicia and Morgan Hill). Your boss is elected and is in charge of a pretty large money making industry.

    Is there talk of you guys getting a pay raise?
    semper destravit

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    • SeizeandFreeze
      SeizeandFreeze commented
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      The pay is terrible unless you live outside any metro area. The pay is actually closer to $8,000 with the side letter but still not good. Take home car helps a little but the Bay Area is just ridiculous. Agency is specially funded and everyone should be paid more but when they combined the state investigators into mostly one class, Insurance got screwed. That is why ABC reclassified their sworn position to be able to pay more and add a poly to the process. Unfortunately, the union is also terrible, so there isn't much hope.

    • NorCalAspirant
      NorCalAspirant commented
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      Are there at least some OT opportunities? I can’t imagine most cops in the Bay Area/ West LA area wanting to lateral to an agency that pays less than entry level positions at their departments.

  • #3
    With a couple of exceptions (DOJ and CDCR special agents) all state investigators are the same job classification and have the same pay rates. I think they are all still in the same statewide union as well.
    If you see me running try to keep up!

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    • Boot1811
      Boot1811 commented
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      GGD_CHP But then you have to go through the CHP academy, take your chances with location, and work the road for at least a few years before competing for an assignment that may or may not pan out.. That's not something that interests a lot of laterals, especially if they're specifically looking for investigative assignments. Can you blame them? I'm willing to bet CHP was your first agency like it was for 99% of Chippies.
      Last edited by Boot1811; 05-05-2019, 03:20 PM.

    • GGD_CHP
      GGD_CHP commented
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      Boot1811 - I am not sure if by first you mean the first I've worked for, or the first I applied for. It is true for both. You usually don't see too many Chippies jumping ship because we really do have it pretty good. It happens from time to time when some local agency dramatically increases their pay and streamlines their hiring process for laterals. I know some guys who did that to SJPD back in the early 2000s. It truly hurt watching the pain they went through a few years ago. There's an uncommon comfort in knowing your pay and benefits are written into State law.

      As for the application part, as a background investigator in one of the largest divisions, I assure you it is not the norm that an applicant only applies for one agency. These days, most use the shotgun effect.

      Generally speaking, PD officers have little understanding of the investigative opportunities on the Highway Patrol. There are many, from the local area office level, to the Division level and to the State level. It's not all highway either. The CHP handles complex investigations involving other state agencies such as embezzlement, computer crimes, high value thefts, homicides, etc.

    • Boot1811
      Boot1811 commented
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      GGD_CHP - I don't know where you got the "applied" stuff from. I know most applicants are shotgunning applications these days. My point was, because CHP makes new hires go through the full CHP academy regardless of the new hires' previous experience, many people looking to lateral don't consider CHP. I think it would benefit CHP to allow lateral applicants to attend a shorter academy where they don't treat them like new recruits. CHP would surely see an increase in applicants with good experience.

      I'm not arguing about CHP having good investigative opportunities. CHP definitely has its share of good investigative disciplines. My overall point was, if a LEO applicant is looking specifically for an investigative position, CHP won't be their first choice, as they will have to repeat an academy (one of the toughest in the state) with no guarantee of getting an investigator slot in the future (or even graduating the academy). It's a very risky move when there are much safer options elsewhere.

      Hypothetical: You're in your mid-30s with a spouse and kids living nowhere near Sacramento, and you already hav a decent job as a cop with a local PD. You're thinking of looking for investigator jobs because you're interested in that type of work, you want a more stable schedule, and you want a more family-friendly life. Do you apply to CHP, where you have to redo a hard, live-in academy for six plus months before working the road for at least a few years in a location that is determined after getting hired? Or do you apply to CalDOJ or Dept. of Insurance jobs where you apply to specific locations, don't have to redo an academy, and where you get a take-home car on day one of the job?

      If a non-LEO is looking for a good gig and wants to be an investigator in the future, then yes, CHP is a great option. But the non-LEO applicant to CHP has a lot less to lose than a lateral.
      Last edited by Boot1811; 05-08-2019, 06:55 PM.

    • GGD_CHP
      GGD_CHP commented
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      Boot1811 -

      "I don't know where you got the "applied" stuff from."

      You're talking about going to the academy. Obviously one has to apply to be hired to have the opportunity to go the academy. It was merely clarification.

      " I think it would benefit CHP to allow lateral applicants to attend a shorter academy where they don't treat them like new recruits. CHP would surely see an increase in applicants with good experience."

      Maybe, but from where? You're not going to find a bunch of metropolitan alliedes putting in for it since they already have pretty good compensation packages and are vested in whatever retirement and seniority program they're in. So now you have a bunch of country boys who would have to go work in LA or the Bay Area for 3 or more years before they can transfer home. How many 35 years olds with a family are going to do that?

      And that doesn't even begin to address the culture of the CHP that is largely put in place at the Academy.

      "I'm not arguing about CHP having good investigative opportunities."

      That's good. I am not arguing at all, just exchanging information.

      "Hypothetical: You're in your mid-30s with a spouse and kids living nowhere near Sacramento, and you already hav a decent job as a cop with a local PD...."

      Hypothetical... if you've worked for your podunk PD for ten years and don't have the juice to fit into an investigative role, you're probably not going to find that fit regardless of whatever agency your lateral to.

      "If a non-LEO is looking for a good gig and wants to be an investigator in the future, then yes, CHP is a great option."

      Couldn't agree more.

  • #4
    I’m real curious what makes one competitive for an investigative position like this? I love my current department and I plan on staying awhile. But if I do move on, I’d want to go into a specialised position like this so I can at least put my finance degree to some use.

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    • SeizeandFreeze
      SeizeandFreeze commented
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      Investigative experience, writing search warrants, and filing cases. If you have [email protected] with CalPERS and did not work for the state before 2011, you will lose your [email protected] if you come over. Just something to consider.

    • Boot1811
      Boot1811 commented
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      Depends where you're applying, too. If you're applying to a hard-to-fill office (higher cost of living areas, for example), it may be easier to be hired as opposed to a more comfortable office. Plenty of people with zero LEO experience at all get picked up by agencies like Insurance, so someone with an active POST and some good experience will appeal to hiring officials right off the bat.

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