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  • willowdared
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    Originally posted by hbliam
    Yeah, that's what advanced officer training is...POST mandates 24 hours every two years. We get 60 hours every two years.
    I wasn't sure how many hours sworn officers had to take. Dispatchers are also required to take the 24 hours every two years.

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  • deputy x 2
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    Originally posted by firemanjb
    So maybe you terminate the pursuit (as in, stop pursuing, not PIT or ramming) for all but the most violent offenders? At least that's the answer for our sergeant's test.
    A pursuit can be terminated at anytime by the officer or W/C. During the pursuit, you are required to give updates.

    Part of our responsibilty is not to get tunnel vision and realize when it's time to terminate it. Just as important is the violation for which the pursuit. Are you going to chase "balls to the wall" for a traffic infraction? No!

    It's all about common sense and making sound decisions...Because there's a possibility of bad consequences down the road.

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  • firemanjb
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    Originally posted by deputy x 2
    Obviously the longer the pursuit goes the greater chances of an accident.
    So maybe you terminate the pursuit (as in, stop pursuing, not PIT or ramming) for all but the most violent offenders? At least that's the answer for our sergeant's test.

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  • hbliam
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    Originally posted by willowdared
    Don't forget that to maintain POST certification, you have to keep taking training classes.
    Yeah, that's what advanced officer training is...POST mandates 24 hours every two years. We get 60 hours every two years.

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  • willowdared
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    Don't forget that to maintain POST certification, you have to keep taking training classes.

    Our department also has quarterly Quals for weapons.

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  • 1oldsarge
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    Originally posted by alpha1906
    I am new to LE, so forgive my naivity. But why do you feel Tactics are not as good in the south as they are out in California? Not meaning to stereotype, but southerns are just as arnery as cowboys from Texas.
    The problem with CA is that pursuits are a spectator sport. If the summer olympics come here in a few years, they'll have pursuit competitions on the L.A. freeway. Want your fifteen minutes of fame on the evening news? Run from the cops in LA. And as previously said, the 9th Dist. Court of Appeals will vote against law and order absolutely every time. Then the public protests and has demonstrations if the suspect breaks a nail during the arrest. Sad situation.

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  • hbliam
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    Originally posted by DOAcop38
    You forgot to mention that the 2,000 hr is a MINIMUM, before you can hit the street as a line reserve, and often our Ca "reserves" are better trained than many major Municipal PD line officer in other states
    Technically it's 664 academy and 400 FTO min. hours per POST but I haven't found a PD that does that.

    The other thing that's good about working a large CA PD as a Reserve is they expect you to act as a regular unit which means when the 187 was in my beat I took it. Good training.

    did you go to Hermosa Bch PD??? lololol!!! We recently had a 20 something reserve ridealong with us- he was"shocked" at how busy we were-go figure...They just barely got a raise, but are still behind alot of people.

    Nope further south but I'm sure it would be much of the same thing. I've decided to stay put where I am.

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  • DOAcop38
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    Originally posted by hbliam
    The academy hours required, FTO training, advanced officer training, etc is for the most part considerably more in CA then elsewhere. ........Or compare it to our Reserve Training. The before mentioned guy had approximately 1100 hours of training (40 hours*4 weeks*7 months) and he's completely off training. A CA Level I Reserve in my neck of the woods has approximately 2000 hours of training to drive solo.
    You forgot to mention that the 2,000 hr is a MINIMUM, before you can hit the street as a line reserve, and often our Ca "reserves" are better trained than many major Municipal PD line officer in other states

    Not to mention that 5 years of experiance in a major City PD (could be anywhere I would guess) is worth 20 years anywhere else. I did a ride along today in a sleepy little beach city that has a total of 32 sworn. 4 hours no calls for service. I asked how many they have a day and he said maybe 20 Citywide. I handle that many calls on a slow night...by myself.
    did you go to Hermosa Bch PD??? lololol!!! We recently had a 20 something reserve ridealong with us- he was"shocked" at how busy we were-go figure...They just barely got a raise, but are still behind alot of people.

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  • hbliam
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    Originally posted by alpha1906
    I am new to LE, so forgive my naivity. But why do you feel Tactics are not as good in the south as they are out in California? Not meaning to stereotype, but southerns are just as arnery as cowboys from Texas.

    The academy hours required, FTO training, advanced officer training, etc is for the most part considerably more in CA then elsewhere. Read through some of the posts on this site...guys start the Academy in January and are off FTO training in July. Compare that to CA where you are just getting out of the Academy in July then you have another 12 months of FTO training. Or compare it to our Reserve Training. The before mentioned guy had approximately 1100 hours of training (40 hours*4 weeks*7 months) and he's completely off training. A CA Level I Reserve in my neck of the woods has approximately 2000 hours of training to drive solo.

    Not to mention that 5 years of experiance in a major City PD (could be anywhere I would guess) is worth 20 years anywhere else. I did a ride along today in a sleepy little beach city that has a total of 32 sworn. 4 hours no calls for service. I asked how many they have a day and he said maybe 20 Citywide. I handle that many calls on a slow night...by myself.

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  • DOAcop38
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    Originally posted by alpha1906
    I am new to LE, so forgive my naivity. But why do you feel Tactics are not as good in the south as they are out in California? Not meaning to stereotype, but southerns are just as arnery as cowboys from Texas.
    Should have just kept my trap shut on this issue- no offense, but I've seen what some academies teach, then later I've seen Depts that seem to throw all that out of the window, and they WILL be proud they "survived" their screwed up crap- stupid and archaic stuff such as wall searchs (Calif Cons have tactics to beat the wall search),**** poor pat downs, allowing unsearched individuals to sit next to you in the patrol car, extracting multiple occupants from the vehicle and searching them- and like every other "real" footage video,we know how that ends, and then there's the "cowboy" dirt road vehicle chases,wild and wooly ! Stuff like that would get you dead,sued or fired in Calif.Like I said earlier "alpha" if it works where you are ,well and fine,but I tend to see training in Ca. and many of the states west of the Miss. as "superior" in tactics.I could drive in a pursuit from so.Cal to any spot in nor Cal, and the Deps/officers in a Dept I have never worked for- lets try Sonoma co sheriffs, Manteca PD,CA- they'd know just what to do and it wouldn't be noticeably different from my Depts tactics......

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  • willowdared
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    Originally posted by alpha1906
    I am new to LE, so forgive my naivity. But why do you feel Tactics are not as good in the south as they are out in California? Not meaning to stereotype, but southerns are just as arnery as cowboys from Texas.
    Tactics, and being ornery are two different things.

    I'm sure that good departments teach good tactics all across the country. It's just that some places get daily reminders of why those tactics are needed.

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  • deputy x 2
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    Originally posted by alpha1906
    I am new to LE, so forgive my naivity. But why do you feel Tactics are not as good in the south as they are out in California? Not meaning to stereotype, but southerns are just as arnery as cowboys from Texas.
    Some places you can get away with "poor officer safety" (for lack of a better phrase) Other places you will be DEAD!

    Officer safety is ALWAYS important and the key to going home every night. Some places don't have cages in their cars...CHP is one of them. WHY? Given the information and the equipment..it's up to the individual officer to practice it! Complacency is a no no!
    Last edited by deputy x 2; 09-12-2006, 06:22 PM.

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  • deputy x 2
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    Originally posted by motorwaycop
    Snuck back on again

    shhh. I did too!

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  • alpha1906
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    Originally posted by DOAcop38
    !Texas L.E. tactics are better than the stuff they do back east or in many parts of the south , but I wouldn't compare them to Californias....
    I am new to LE, so forgive my naivity. But why do you feel Tactics are not as good in the south as they are out in California? Not meaning to stereotype, but southerns are just as arnery as cowboys from Texas.

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  • motorwaycop
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    Snuck back on again

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