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  • #16
    Originally posted by Bigg Dogg
    Actually I have never slammed a car or PIT manuvered a car.We always let a Trooper handle that.And I have never had to help a Trooper get out a unit from pitting a car.You try to do it on the passenger front fender of the patrol unit.The drivers door should be free from damage.
    Oh I thought you spoke of "ramming" the car to get em to stop.

    The PIT is a controlled manuever. So I take it your agency isn't trained to PIT vehicles either. Only the CHP in our area.

    It always amazes me how other agencies surround the stopped vehicle, guns drawn and how they are ALL in each others crossfire. yikes On some of the videos in other states, it's a wonder more officers aren't killed or seriously injuried. Guess it's different training for different areas. But I wouldn't do half the tactics seen...my guess is neither would DOAcop38.
    This profession is not for people looking for positive reinforcement from the public. Very often it can be a thankless job and you can't desire accolades, because those are not usually forthcoming. Just do your job to the best of your ability and live with the decisions you've made.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by deputy x 2
      Oh I thought you spoke of "ramming" the car to get em to stop.

      The PIT is a controlled manuever. So I take it your agency isn't trained to PIT vehicles either. Only the CHP in our area.

      It always amazes me how other agencies surround the stopped vehicle, guns drawn and how they are ALL in each others crossfire. yikes On some of the videos in other states, it's a wonder more officers aren't killed or seriously injuried. Guess it's different training for different areas. But I wouldn't do half the tactics seen...my guess is neither would DOAcop38.


      We are trained for the Felony Stop after a pursuit.But I have had very few pursuits where the subject finally gets pitted or stops and stays in the vehicle.Most of the time they get out and run,or they are trying to get out when they are stopped and extracted,or they are trying to get the vehicle going again when they are extracted.

      And no,we are not trained in the PIT.In one agency i worked at,we were going to get trained,but the Sheriff said he would rather leave it up to the OHP since it is easier for them to get cars repaired or replaced.Which did make sense.We still had to drive them after a fender bender.
      FILL YOUR HANDS!!!

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      • #18
        Bigg Dogg
        I get the sense from this and your other posts that you have had a bad day!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by motorwaycop
          Bigg Dogg
          I get the sense from this and your other posts that you have had a bad day!

          You caught onto that huh!!I have had a bad month or so!!!My apologies if it is starting to show.But the stree meter is way over in the red right now!!I really need to blow off some steam!!!i get to work tonite,feel sorry for anyone that tries to resist arrest!!!
          FILL YOUR HANDS!!!

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Bigg Dogg
            We are trained for the Felony Stop after a pursuit.But I have had very few pursuits where the subject finally gets pitted or stops and stays in the vehicle.
            Don't you hate it when it doesn't go according to plans?

            Originally posted by Bigg Dogg
            Most of the time they get out and run,or they are trying to get out when they are stopped and extracted,or they are trying to get the vehicle going again when they are extracted.
            That's where our training is different. WE DON'T EVER reach in ...unless you want to be dragged. Sometimes people forget due to the hype of the situation.
            This profession is not for people looking for positive reinforcement from the public. Very often it can be a thankless job and you can't desire accolades, because those are not usually forthcoming. Just do your job to the best of your ability and live with the decisions you've made.

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            • #21
              Seriously,
              Have a good one.
              Got to go now the wifes nagging me about being on the computer,.......now thats stress!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by motorwaycop
                Seriously,
                Have a good one.
                Got to go now the wifes nagging me about being on the computer,.......now thats stress!

                Is she nagging because she want on it,or because you ain't spending no time with her???

                Mine will say its because I ain't spending time with her,so I get off and go into the living room with her and she gets up and goes and gets on the computer in the back room!!!
                FILL YOUR HANDS!!!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by motorwaycop
                  Seriously,
                  Have a good one.
                  Got to go now the wifes nagging me about being on the computer,.......now thats stress!
                  Sometimes I find myself...just check in...and end up spending hours here!!! OMG....talk about someone getting miffed.

                  So I've tried to REALLY just check in...read the new posts, post a few and go.

                  Speaking of...it's that time.....and it's been 2 hours...whoops!
                  This profession is not for people looking for positive reinforcement from the public. Very often it can be a thankless job and you can't desire accolades, because those are not usually forthcoming. Just do your job to the best of your ability and live with the decisions you've made.

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                  • #24
                    Snuck back on again

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by DOAcop38
                      !Texas L.E. tactics are better than the stuff they do back east or in many parts of the south , but I wouldn't compare them to Californias....
                      I am new to LE, so forgive my naivity. But why do you feel Tactics are not as good in the south as they are out in California? Not meaning to stereotype, but southerns are just as arnery as cowboys from Texas.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by motorwaycop
                        Snuck back on again

                        shhh. I did too!
                        This profession is not for people looking for positive reinforcement from the public. Very often it can be a thankless job and you can't desire accolades, because those are not usually forthcoming. Just do your job to the best of your ability and live with the decisions you've made.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by alpha1906
                          I am new to LE, so forgive my naivity. But why do you feel Tactics are not as good in the south as they are out in California? Not meaning to stereotype, but southerns are just as arnery as cowboys from Texas.
                          Some places you can get away with "poor officer safety" (for lack of a better phrase) Other places you will be DEAD!

                          Officer safety is ALWAYS important and the key to going home every night. Some places don't have cages in their cars...CHP is one of them. WHY? Given the information and the equipment..it's up to the individual officer to practice it! Complacency is a no no!
                          Last edited by deputy x 2; 09-12-2006, 06:22 PM.
                          This profession is not for people looking for positive reinforcement from the public. Very often it can be a thankless job and you can't desire accolades, because those are not usually forthcoming. Just do your job to the best of your ability and live with the decisions you've made.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by alpha1906
                            I am new to LE, so forgive my naivity. But why do you feel Tactics are not as good in the south as they are out in California? Not meaning to stereotype, but southerns are just as arnery as cowboys from Texas.
                            Tactics, and being ornery are two different things.

                            I'm sure that good departments teach good tactics all across the country. It's just that some places get daily reminders of why those tactics are needed.
                            Molly Weasley makes Chuck Norris eat his vegetables.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by alpha1906
                              I am new to LE, so forgive my naivity. But why do you feel Tactics are not as good in the south as they are out in California? Not meaning to stereotype, but southerns are just as arnery as cowboys from Texas.
                              Should have just kept my trap shut on this issue- no offense, but I've seen what some academies teach, then later I've seen Depts that seem to throw all that out of the window, and they WILL be proud they "survived" their screwed up crap- stupid and archaic stuff such as wall searchs (Calif Cons have tactics to beat the wall search),**** poor pat downs, allowing unsearched individuals to sit next to you in the patrol car, extracting multiple occupants from the vehicle and searching them- and like every other "real" footage video,we know how that ends, and then there's the "cowboy" dirt road vehicle chases,wild and wooly ! Stuff like that would get you dead,sued or fired in Calif.Like I said earlier "alpha" if it works where you are ,well and fine,but I tend to see training in Ca. and many of the states west of the Miss. as "superior" in tactics.I could drive in a pursuit from so.Cal to any spot in nor Cal, and the Deps/officers in a Dept I have never worked for- lets try Sonoma co sheriffs, Manteca PD,CA- they'd know just what to do and it wouldn't be noticeably different from my Depts tactics......
                              "we're americans ! We don't quit because we're wrong, we just keep doing it wrong UNTIL it turns out Right"...

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by alpha1906
                                I am new to LE, so forgive my naivity. But why do you feel Tactics are not as good in the south as they are out in California? Not meaning to stereotype, but southerns are just as arnery as cowboys from Texas.

                                The academy hours required, FTO training, advanced officer training, etc is for the most part considerably more in CA then elsewhere. Read through some of the posts on this site...guys start the Academy in January and are off FTO training in July. Compare that to CA where you are just getting out of the Academy in July then you have another 12 months of FTO training. Or compare it to our Reserve Training. The before mentioned guy had approximately 1100 hours of training (40 hours*4 weeks*7 months) and he's completely off training. A CA Level I Reserve in my neck of the woods has approximately 2000 hours of training to drive solo.

                                Not to mention that 5 years of experiance in a major City PD (could be anywhere I would guess) is worth 20 years anywhere else. I did a ride along today in a sleepy little beach city that has a total of 32 sworn. 4 hours no calls for service. I asked how many they have a day and he said maybe 20 Citywide. I handle that many calls on a slow night...by myself.

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