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    I understand places like Disneyland and other amusement parks to not allow off-duty law enforcement to carry on their property. Anyone know if we can carry at the LA County Fair? The Fairplex code of conduct makes no mention for police officers. Hoping to make it out there tomorrow, don't want to leave my off-duty firearm in my vehicle.
    Alright you Primitive Screwheads, listen up! You see this? This... is my boomstick! The twelve-gauge double-barreled Remington. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about a hundred and nine, ninety five. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart. You got that?

    Micah 6:8
    March 13, 2013

  • #2
    Originally posted by 68Firebird View Post
    I understand places like Disneyland and other amusement parks to not allow off-duty law enforcement to carry on their property. Anyone know if we can carry at the LA County Fair? The Fairplex code of conduct makes no mention for police officers. Hoping to make it out there tomorrow, don't want to leave my off-duty firearm in my vehicle.
    I don't think you can. I recently went to the OC fair and they weren't feeling it. Sucks because you can get in for free with your badge, but with all of the gang members that go, its not a great feeling having a badge and no weapon.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by b1ub0x View Post
      I don't think you can. I recently went to the OC fair and they weren't feeling it. Sucks because you can get in for free with your badge, but with all of the gang members that go, its not a great feeling having a badge and no weapon.
      Thanks, Sir. Yeah, going to ask around and get a definitive answer. Will post for everyone else in case someone else is curious, as well.
      Alright you Primitive Screwheads, listen up! You see this? This... is my boomstick! The twelve-gauge double-barreled Remington. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about a hundred and nine, ninety five. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart. You got that?

      Micah 6:8
      March 13, 2013

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      • #4
        For Gods sake..

        Fairplex Security Contact

        Operating Hours: (909) 865-4357

        After Hours: (909) 865-4600

        Ever thought about just calling them? Their website states No Weapons. Call and ask. It's called INVESTIGATING...
        Now go home and get your shine box!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by CCCSD View Post
          For Gods sake..

          Fairplex Security Contact

          Operating Hours: (909) 865-4357

          After Hours: (909) 865-4600

          Ever thought about just calling them? Their website states No Weapons. Call and ask. It's called INVESTIGATING...
          What's that... never heard of such thing INVESTIGATING
          I'd rather be judged by 12 rather carried by 6.

          It should be noted that any and all post that are made are based on my own thought and opinions. And are not related or implied to represent the department I work for.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by CCCSD View Post
            Ever thought about just calling them? Their website states No Weapons. Call and ask. It's called INVESTIGATING...
            Great idea! The first thing I'd investigate would be whether or not they have any type of metal-detectors / scanners.

            “This life’s hard, but it’s harder if you’re stupid.”

            George V. Higgins--The Friends of Eddie Coyle

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            • #7
              Originally posted by b1ub0x View Post
              I don't think you can. I recently went to the OC fair and they weren't feeling it. Sucks because you can get in for free with your badge, but with all of the gang members that go, its not a great feeling having a badge and no weapon.
              I'm surprised you had difficulty at the OC Fair. Although it is called the "County Fair" it is really owned and operated by the State of California, as are 57 other fairs in California. (The LA County Fair is not one of them.)

              Several years ago the Del Mar Fair, which is also owned by the State, was turning away off duty and retired officers who were armed. A law suit was filed and the courts ruled that government agencies do not have the authority to deny people rights that were granted them by an act of the legislature. Obviously, there are exceptions where the law specifically prohibits weapons (such as jails), but state laws that prohibit firearms in state buildings specifically exempt off duty and retired peace officers and government agencies cannot administratively create their own rules taking those exemptions away.
              Going too far is half the pleasure of not getting anywhere

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              • #8
                Originally posted by L-1 View Post

                I'm surprised you had difficulty at the OC Fair. Although it is called the "County Fair" it is really owned and operated by the State of California, as are 57 other fairs in California. (The LA County Fair is not one of them.)

                Several years ago the Del Mar Fair, which is also owned by the State, was turning away off duty and retired officers who were armed. A law suit was filed and the courts ruled that government agencies do not have the authority to deny people rights that were granted them by an act of the legislature. Obviously, there are exceptions where the law specifically prohibits weapons (such as jails), but state laws that prohibit firearms in state buildings specifically exempt off duty and retired peace officers and government agencies cannot administratively create their own rules taking those exemptions away.
                Do you have the case citation available? I'd like to read it and use it locally.
                My comments are my personal opinion and are based on my life experiences and training. They are not to be construed as legal advice in any form as I am not an attorney. Should you act on any of the information I provide in my comments, you do so at your own risk!!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by chiefjack View Post

                  Do you have the case citation available? I'd like to read it and use it locally.
                  It was over 10 years ago and the only court citation I can find is on a legal site that requires a $99 subscription. http://www.plainsite.org/dockets/t1w...fennell-et-al/

                  docket://gov.uscourts.casd.3-05-cv-01297

                  However, I believe the Plaintiffs' counsel was Everett L. Bobb. http://www.coplaw.org/You may be able to get a copy from him.

                  As I research it now, the suit was dropped after it was settled in favor of the officers. The essence of the suit was as follows:

                  The land upon which the annual San Diego County fair is held, is owned and operated by the 22nd District Agricultural Association. This land is wholly public property, owned and operated exclusively by a local governmental entity and government employees. District Agricultural Associations are public entities organized pursuant to the provisions of Division 3, Part 3, Chapter 1 of the California Food and Agricultural Code; they are state institutions under F&A Code § 3953 and their directors are state officers under F&A Code § 3962. Under F&A Code § 3968, their
                  records are subject to disclosure under the California Public Records Act.

                  The federal statute giving the expansive rights of concealed carry to qualified retired and off-duty law enforcement officers has two exemptions. One of the exemptions arises when “private persons or entities seek to prohibit or restrict possession of concealed firearms on their property…;” the other arises when the laws of a state, “prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park.” Given the statutory provisions establishing District Agricultural Associations, it was clear that the 22nd District Agricultural Association was not a private person or private entity. Furthermore, because no state law had been enacted in California to prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on property owned by District Agricultural Associations generally, or the 22nd District specifically, the decision of the general manager to prohibit concealed carry at the fair by retired or off-duty cops directly conflicted with the federal law.

                  San Diego DSA and several local POAs sought an initial TRO and subsequent lawsuit for permanent injunctive relief. As it turned out, they reached a settlement with the 22nd District Agricultural Association that obtained everything they would have obtained had they gone completely through a trial and prevailed on all points.

                  As a side note, there is a prohibition against carrying firearms in state buildings, however, it specifically exempts a long list of people including active and retired peace officers and those with CCW permits. It can be found in Section 171(b) of the Penal Code.
                  Last edited by L-1; 09-21-2016, 03:12 AM.
                  Going too far is half the pleasure of not getting anywhere

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                  • #10
                    I went to the OC and carried concealed with no problems, so the LA fair may be the same way. I waited in line like everyone else and when I got to the front of the line to go through the metal detector, I told them I was an off duty officer and was armed. They had me go through the security check point and meet with the supervisor standing in the back. He asked to see my ID, then had me sign in and sign a form stating I was carrying concealed, and that was it. Very easy process. Again, this was for the OC fair, so I can't say for certain this is how the LA fair would work, although I think it'll be similar.
                    CHICKS DIG IT!!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by L-1 View Post

                      It was over 10 years ago and the only court citation I can find is on a legal site that requires a $99 subscription. http://www.plainsite.org/dockets/t1w...fennell-et-al/

                      docket://gov.uscourts.casd.3-05-cv-01297

                      However, I believe the Plaintiffs' counsel was Everett L. Bobb. http://www.coplaw.org/You may be able to get a copy from him.

                      As I research it now, the suit was dropped after it was settled in favor of the officers. The essence of the suit was as follows:

                      The land upon which the annual San Diego County fair is held, is owned and operated by the 22nd District Agricultural Association. This land is wholly public property, owned and operated exclusively by a local governmental entity and government employees. District Agricultural Associations are public entities organized pursuant to the provisions of Division 3, Part 3, Chapter 1 of the California Food and Agricultural Code; they are state institutions under F&A Code § 3953 and their directors are state officers under F&A Code § 3962. Under F&A Code § 3968, their
                      records are subject to disclosure under the California Public Records Act.

                      The federal statute giving the expansive rights of concealed carry to qualified retired and off-duty law enforcement officers has two exemptions. One of the exemptions arises when “private persons or entities seek to prohibit or restrict possession of concealed firearms on their property…;” the other arises when the laws of a state, “prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park.” Given the statutory provisions establishing District Agricultural Associations, it was clear that the 22nd District Agricultural Association was not a private person or private entity. Furthermore, because no state law had been enacted in California to prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on property owned by District Agricultural Associations generally, or the 22nd District specifically, the decision of the general manager to prohibit concealed carry at the fair by retired or off-duty cops directly conflicted with the federal law.

                      San Diego DSA and several local POAs sought an initial TRO and subsequent lawsuit for permanent injunctive relief. As it turned out, they reached a settlement with the 22nd District Agricultural Association that obtained everything they would have obtained had they gone completely through a trial and prevailed on all points.

                      As a side note, there is a prohibition against carrying firearms in state buildings, however, it specifically exempts a long list of people including active and retired peace officers and those with CCW permits. It can be found in Section 171(b) of the Penal Code.
                      Thanks.
                      My comments are my personal opinion and are based on my life experiences and training. They are not to be construed as legal advice in any form as I am not an attorney. Should you act on any of the information I provide in my comments, you do so at your own risk!!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by OCEnforcer29 View Post
                        I went to the OC and carried concealed with no problems, so the LA fair may be the same way. I waited in line like everyone else and when I got to the front of the line to go through the metal detector, I told them I was an off duty officer and was armed. They had me go through the security check point and meet with the supervisor standing in the back. He asked to see my ID, then had me sign in and sign a form stating I was carrying concealed, and that was it. Very easy process. Again, this was for the OC fair, so I can't say for certain this is how the LA fair would work, although I think it'll be similar.
                        Did the same just didn't have to sign in. Security officer that checked and escorted my family in was a 30 year veteran of law enforcement, retired. Process took about 5 minutes.
                        Last edited by 68Firebird; 09-21-2016, 07:51 PM.
                        Alright you Primitive Screwheads, listen up! You see this? This... is my boomstick! The twelve-gauge double-barreled Remington. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about a hundred and nine, ninety five. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart. You got that?

                        Micah 6:8
                        March 13, 2013

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