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    I'm probably going to be coming to LA for a week in October. I'm a sworn LEO, LEOSA qualified, and I know that allows me to carry but doesn't allow me to ignore magazine restrictions, off limits carry places, etc.

    I see CA has a 10 round magazine limit. Is there any exemption for out of state LEO's?

    Any places that are no carry (such as bars are in KY) just because of the type of business they are?

    Do "no firearms" signs on private businesses carry the weight of law?

    Any special storage requirements when its off my person, like if we go to an amusement park or the like and it has to stay in the apartment or car?

    Thanks.
    I miss you, Dave.
    http://www.odmp.org/officer/20669-of...david-s.-moore

  • #2
    Originally posted by CruiserClass View Post

    Any special storage requirements when its off my person, like if we go to an amusement park or the like and it has to stay in the apartment or car?

    Thanks.
    Never ever leave your gun in your car! I'm so tired of seeing reports of LEO's getting their guns stolen from auto boosts, it seems like a monthly occurrence thing.

    I think any cop who does something that stupid should spend a few months on the beach (aka unpaid suspension).

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    • #3
      I second the above!

      If you are concealed, unless you are going to a sporting event, no one is the wiser. The only place that will really mess up your day is a school zone.

      Personally, if I see police ID and can verify it, you are on your way. YMMV.
      semper destravit

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      • #4
        Usually most concealed carry weapons are small and compact, 10 round mags and less. Unless you carry your on duty gun or a full size gun for that matter, which I don't see how that can be carried very well concealed, the 10 round cap shouldn't be a problem for you. I just assume carry a compact gun and take a few extra mags with ya.

        With that being said, if you are a fully credentialed LEO and you get jammed up for one reason or another and it is discovered that you are carrying.........oh no....gasp.......a gun with a high cap mag, most all LEOs could care less. Actually, I don't think any legit local cop would do anything to you for it. If he/she did I'm sure their department or their immediate Sergeant would put a stop to it pretty quick.

        Private business only has a right to refuse business to someone, they don't have the force of law behind them. If they discover that you are carrying a gun then they can ask you to leave. If you refuse then it could turn into loitering or trespassing, which would be a criminal violation. Out of courtesy I choose not to patronize those businesses, but typically those sign postings are there to keep civilian CCW holders out, not LEO.

        Yes definitely do not go into a bar carrying if you are going to consume any alcohol, it is not only unwise, but most likely a policy violation at your department (i.e. IA type stuff). I would hate to be in a shooting with alcohol on board if you know what I mean, not good!!!

        Storage requirements....There are no laws that require certain storage. Don't leave it in your car, remember Murphy's Law, it will happen even though it seems ssssooooo unlikely.

        Most amusement parks don't search your person, they search the backpacks, purses, fanny packs and other carrying type items. If you keep the gun somewhere on your person you should be good. "Don't ask don't tell" is a good general rule with CCW.

        I have been to Disneyland, SeaWorld, Knotts Berry Farm, Alcatraz and Candlestick Park for a Giants game and no problems. The only place that stopped me was the Arco Arena (Sacramento) for a Disney on Ice show of all places. They had a magnetometer. Prior to being wanded by a security guard I just stepped out of the line and displayed my badge. They gave me the option of locking it up in my car in the parking lot, or locking it in a locker located in the basement of the Arena. I chose the locker of course and I was escorted to the location and locked it up.

        Hope that helps.

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        • #5
          Thanks for the answers.

          There are safe ways to leave a gun in a car, though. I do it all the time with an amusement park here. Unless they bring bolt cutters and a saw, even if they break into the car they aren't getting the gun.
          I miss you, Dave.
          http://www.odmp.org/officer/20669-of...david-s.-moore

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          • #6
            Actually, CA DOES have storage laws. Child safe. I won't go further as CC knows about this.
            Now go home and get your shine box!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SOCAleo View Post
              Usually most concealed carry weapons are small and compact, 10 round mags and less. Unless you carry your on duty gun or a full size gun for that matter, which I don't see how that can be carried very well concealed, the 10 round cap shouldn't be a problem for you. I just assume carry a compact gun and take a few extra mags with ya.

              With that being said, if you are a fully credentialed LEO and you get jammed up for one reason or another and it is discovered that you are carrying.........oh no....gasp.......a gun with a high cap mag, most all LEOs could care less. Actually, I don't think any legit local cop would do anything to you for it. If he/she did I'm sure their department or their immediate Sergeant would put a stop to it pretty quick.

              Private business only has a right to refuse business to someone, they don't have the force of law behind them. If they discover that you are carrying a gun then they can ask you to leave. If you refuse then it could turn into loitering or trespassing, which would be a criminal violation. Out of courtesy I choose not to patronize those businesses, but typically those sign postings are there to keep civilian CCW holders out, not LEO.

              Yes definitely do not go into a bar carrying if you are going to consume any alcohol, it is not only unwise, but most likely a policy violation at your department (i.e. IA type stuff). I would hate to be in a shooting with alcohol on board if you know what I mean, not good!!!

              Storage requirements....There are no laws that require certain storage. Don't leave it in your car, remember Murphy's Law, it will happen even though it seems ssssooooo unlikely.

              Most amusement parks don't search your person, they search the backpacks, purses, fanny packs and other carrying type items. If you keep the gun somewhere on your person you should be good. "Don't ask don't tell" is a good general rule with CCW.

              I have been to Disneyland, SeaWorld, Knotts Berry Farm, Alcatraz and Candlestick Park for a Giants game and no problems. The only place that stopped me was the Arco Arena (Sacramento) for a Disney on Ice show of all places. They had a magnetometer. Prior to being wanded by a security guard I just stepped out of the line and displayed my badge. They gave me the option of locking it up in my car in the parking lot, or locking it in a locker located in the basement of the Arena. I chose the locker of course and I was escorted to the location and locked it up.

              Hope that helps.
              +1

              Staples Center is no go with taking in guns, even for off duty cops.
              Other officer: Oh that's right, I forgot, you're God's gift to police work.
              Me: At least someone recognizes it.

              Turns out basic police work isn't so hard, you just have to leave the station.

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              • #8
                True on home storage, but out and about LEO CCW carrying there are no storage requirements and I think that was what the OP was asking. Otherwise, I agree with the law on owning a home safe to lock up guns, LEO or not, especially if you got a lot of rug rats running around like I do.

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                • #9
                  More importantly where are you taking Blizz and I for drinks?
                  Today's Quote:

                  "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."
                  Albert Einstein

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                  • #10
                    On vacation, with kids. Must be safely locked up. There is no exclusion.
                    Now go home and get your shine box!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mdrdep View Post
                      More importantly where are you taking Blizz and I for drinks?
                      You work in the area? I'll be staying in Anaheim. I don't know jack poo about the area other than its within 1.5 miles of Disneyland.

                      I'm not much of a drinker, but do like wine. Just have to be careful about "under the influence" or I lose LEOSA, so probably stick with coffee.

                      Originally posted by CCCSD View Post
                      Actually, CA DOES have storage laws. Child safe. I won't go further as CC knows about this.
                      You can go a little further. I thought you had a requirement, but don't know the details.

                      Ok, so about storage requirements. I'm not bringing my regular gun safe, since its 700 lbs and would be a bit much for carry on. Probably just the car vault with cable.

                      http://ads.midwayusa.com/product/382..._-pf_ci_google does that work for CA law?
                      I miss you, Dave.
                      http://www.odmp.org/officer/20669-of...david-s.-moore

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mdrdep View Post
                        More importantly where are you taking Blizz and I for drinks?
                        http://thesunsetstrip.com/nightlife/skybar-mondrian
                        SKYBAR!

                        Originally posted by CruiserClass View Post
                        You work in the area? I'll be staying in Anaheim. I don't know jack poo about the area other than its within 1.5 miles of Disneyland.

                        I'm not much of a drinker, but do like wine. Just have to be careful about "under the influence" or I lose LEOSA, so probably stick with coffee.



                        You can go a little further. I thought you had a requirement, but don't know the details.

                        Ok, so about storage requirements. I'm not bringing my regular gun safe, since its 700 lbs and would be a bit much for carry on. Probably just the car vault with cable.

                        http://ads.midwayusa.com/product/382..._-pf_ci_google does that work for CA law?
                        **** it. A beer won't kill ya.
                        Other officer: Oh that's right, I forgot, you're God's gift to police work.
                        Me: At least someone recognizes it.

                        Turns out basic police work isn't so hard, you just have to leave the station.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CruiserClass View Post
                          You work in the area? I'll be staying in Anaheim. I don't know jack poo about the area other than its within 1.5 miles of Disneyland.

                          I'm not much of a drinker, but do like wine. Just have to be careful about "under the influence" or I lose LEOSA, so probably stick with coffee.



                          You can go a little further. I thought you had a requirement, but don't know the details.

                          Ok, so about storage requirements. I'm not bringing my regular gun safe, since its 700 lbs and would be a bit much for carry on. Probably just the car vault with cable.

                          http://ads.midwayusa.com/product/382..._-pf_ci_google does that work for CA law?
                          That safe works, or you could get a hotel room with a safe in it already. A lot of hotels especially in Anaheim area have that option.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Blizz View Post
                            **** it. A beer won't kill ya.
                            Huh. Looks like the voice in my head is back.
                            I miss you, Dave.
                            http://www.odmp.org/officer/20669-of...david-s.-moore

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                            • #15
                              A cable locked through the barrel/action and mag out satisfies it. Kid safe.
                              Now go home and get your shine box!

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