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  • LAPD limits impounding of unlicensed drivers' cars

    Under criticism that it was unfairly targeting undocumented immigrants, the Los Angeles Police Department on Friday announced changes to its rules for impounding cars of unlicensed drivers at sobriety checkpoints.

    Previously, LAPD officers at such checkpoints followed stringent protocols that called for them to impound a car whenever the driver was found not to have a valid license, regardless of whether the driver had been drinking.

    Those rules have drawn the ire of immigration advocacy groups that said they disproportionately targeted undocumented immigrants, who are not able to obtain licenses legally in nearly all U.S. states. Once a vehicle is impounded, law enforcement agencies often require it to remain locked up for at least a month and charge the owner hefty fees to release it.

    The new LAPD guidelines soften the department's stance somewhat. Police will be required to make an attempt to contact the registered owner of the stopped vehicle. If the owner is a licensed driver and can respond to the checkpoint in "a reasonable period of time," the officers will release the car to him or her. If the owner is unlicensed, officers will permit another person who is a licensed driver to take the car.

    If no one with a license is available, police will impound a vehicle. In any case, police will issue a citation to the unlicensed driver.

    Police Chief Charlie Beck said that since he took over the department more than a year ago, the checkpoint policy had "stuck in my craw as one of the things we weren't doing the right way." Beck said he decided to make the change after immigration rights advocates raised the issue with him anew in meetings this week.

    "I'm tired of casting the net so wide," he said. "This is the right thing to do. There is a fairness issue here … and we're trying to balance the needs of all segments of our community and keep the roads safe."

    The new rules, Beck said, were an attempt to mitigate somewhat "the current reality, which is that for a vast number of people, who are a valuable asset to our community and who have very limited resources, their ability to live and work in L.A. is severely limited by their immigration status."

    The change, which the department announced in a news release late Friday afternoon, is likely to anger groups that support strict enforcement of immigration laws. Efforts to contact representatives of several of those groups for comment were unsuccessful.

    The issue of impounds has become a controversial topic in recent years. Police in the small cities of Bell and Maywood have been accused of systematically targeting undocumented immigrants when impounding cars in an effort to boost municipal revenues.

    Ron Gochez, a member of the steering committee for the Southern California Immigration Coalition, expressed limited praise for the LAPD's change but questioned why the department needed to impound a car if the driver had not been drinking.

    "It's a step in the right direction, but it still falls short of what we're asking for," he said. "We're not against checkpoints. We want checkpoints to happen, we want drunk drivers off our streets. We just don't want people to be losing their cars who aren't drunk."

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,7690525.story
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    Last edited by avalon42; 03-13-2015, 06:04 PM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by DAL View Post
      If no one with a license is available, police will impound a vehicle. In any case, police will issue a citation to the unlicensed driver.
      Does this mean unlicensed drivers without ID will be released at the scene regardless of whether or not their identities can be verified? What's the point in issuing a citation, when "John Doe" can pick up the vehicle from the R/O two blocks away and continue driving the vehicle under a new AKA?

      Well, I suppose if it allows the newspapers to continue deliveries using unlicensed, uninsured and under (minimum wage) paid employees, that's okay for all concerned. (Except of course those licensed drivers that are involved in collisions with these folks.)
      Last edited by pulicords; 03-12-2011, 01:04 PM. Reason: Edited to read "newspapers" so the L.A. Times wouldn't get all the credit!
      "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."

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      • #4
        Two weeks back, two guys from my team were hit by an unlicensed driver while on duty. The TC totaled both vehicles and damaged a lady's fence...The unlicensed driver, an "undocumented" alien, had insurance, however. Go figure...
        The Thousandth Man

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        • #5
          We had the same thing happen a couple years back. One of the officers was hit, and the unlicensed, undocumented driver had VALID insurance. We gave her kudos for that.

          Oh, and I impounded 3 cars last week for 14602.6, and show no signs of slowing down
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          Originally posted by Smurfette
          Lord have mercy. You're about as slick as the business side of duct tape.
          Originally posted by DAL
          You are without doubt a void surrounded by a sphincter muscle.

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          • #6
            This policy has been in place for a few years now....the only difference is that the up tight traffic types now have to make more of an effort at Checkpoints...
            "For he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer." Romans 13:4

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            • #7
              "who are a valuable asset to our community,"

              This statement about illegals, who are nothing but a drain on our economy, proves that Beck is a complete tool. Would the people of LA have it any other way?
              Originally posted by FJDave
              GM, you have just set the bar that much higher for the rest of us in our witty, sarcastic responses. I yield to you! Good job, kind Sir!

              District B13
              "We are not cops nor Feds." yet he still poses as an officer Hmmmm


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              "I have loved justice and hated iniquity, therefore I die in exile."

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              • #8
                Should stick a Border Patrol Agent at those sobriety checkpoints. You know, just for back-up and such.


                Just another example of officials not considering immigrations laws to you know, be actual laws.

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                • #9
                  You gotta be F-ing kidding me. He basically just said "Wellllll....immigration status is just details anyway. It's not a REAL crime. We don't want to offend the criminals in our community cuz ya know they work SO FRIGGING HARD!!!!! We'll just let that slide..." Screw the immigration advocacy groups!!!! What's next, Serial Killer Advocacy Groups.... Apparantly you can do whatever you want if enough people are willing to support you with some bullsht support group. Stupid idiots.

                  Cyber_Saint, there are a lot of issues in the southwest that would be resolved if they put more of you guys in more places and gave you the financial and political backing to do what you're capable of.
                  Last edited by BORSTARSDbuff; 03-13-2011, 12:28 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bigcitypolice06 View Post
                    This policy has been in place for a few years now....the only difference is that the up tight traffic types now have to make more of an effort at Checkpoints...
                    Not so, the only policy regarding impounding vehs for 22651(p)vc was the special order from 2005 and on that one you shall impound. According to Court Liason the Department considered modifying the policy after the Oregon ruling but it never went anywhere, hence the policy is as stands from 2005. Trust me I thought the same too until I got that clarification, plus if you look you will not find anything stating otherwise in the manuel or anywhere.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by pulicords View Post
                      Does this mean unlicensed drivers without ID will be released at the scene regardless of whether or not their identities can be verified? What's the point in issuing a citation, when "John Doe" can pick up the vehicle from the R/O two blocks away and continue driving the vehicle under a new AKA?

                      Well, I suppose if it allows the newspapers to continue deliveries using unlicensed, uninsured and under (minimum wage) paid employees, that's okay for all concerned. (Except of course those licensed drivers that are involved in collisions with these folks.)
                      Speaking of that

                      Whats the PC when the suspect refuses or can't identify him/her self when you detain them for reasonable suspicion.

                      I got the PC for an infraction ( PC 853.5)

                      I need this for my homework or else i get a MEMO and PT together >.<

                      I've been looking everywhere and NO ONE in my academy can find it. I've asked 3 deputies and they could not find it either
                      Last edited by Kimo; 03-15-2011, 09:59 AM.
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                      • #12
                        While I like Charlie Beck, I think this is a big mistake. Having worked many DUI checkpoints, this is a way of enforcing the laws. I don't care who it is, if they don't have a DL, take their car. The only thing I might consider is to shorten the length of time the car is being held. Even a few days adds up pretty fast and would send a message to go get a DL.

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