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  • LA voters favor pot tax, police pension cuts on election night

    Excerpt from www.abc7.com

    Meantime, a plan that scales back pensions for police, fire and Los Angeles Harbor Department employees is on its way to pass with 75 percent voting in favor of Measure G.

    The measure will require all new hires who begin work after July 1 to help pay for their own health coverage.

    Supporters say Measure G will help reduce the growing burden public employee benefits are having on the city's budget.

    The voters are also in favor of redirecting existing tax dollars in the city to libraries. Measure l also got a huge amount of support.

    With 99 percent of precincts reporting, 63 percent are in favor of the measure with 37 percent against it. The measure will gradually increase the amount of tax dollars going to the city libraries.

    Opponents argue it will mean less money for basic services like fire fighters and police. The measure will eventually mean an extra $51 million a year for the city's 73 libraries.




    Becoming an LAPD officer is not looking to promising these days.

  • #2
    Well, you get what you pay for....
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    Originally posted by Smurfette
    Lord have mercy. You're about as slick as the business side of duct tape.
    Originally posted by DAL
    You are without doubt a void surrounded by a sphincter muscle.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by syphon157 View Post
      Excerpt from www.abc7.com The measure will eventually mean an extra $51 million a year for the city's 73 libraries.
      It's a matter of priorities! Think about how often these voters need to use their local library (vs police and fire services).
      "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."

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      • #4
        The voters are also in favor of redirecting existing tax dollars in the city to libraries. Measure l also got a huge amount of support.
        If in Cali and I have any problems I will dial ?? What is the Libraries number? .....just shaking my head wondering how stupid can people be.

        Be Safe my Brother&Sisters out there!!
        MDRDEP:

        There are no stupid questions, but there sure are a lot of inquisitive idiots.

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        • #5
          Well you guys forget that you can look at PORN for FREE on LA City library computers.....I mean when was the last time Police or Fire departments provided a benefit like THAT!
          "For he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer." Romans 13:4

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          • #6
            Measure G means anyone hired after july 1, 2011 wil be in new pension tier. 40% at 20yrs, 55% at 25yrs, 75% at 30yrs and 90% at 33yrs. Our current tier is [email protected], [email protected] ,[email protected] and [email protected] They will also have to contribute an EXTRA 2% to pension medical benefits which the current tier doesn't.

            Now, with all that said and with the 20% reduced salary for new hires what kind of applicants does the city think it can attract? I am very afraid for the LAPD 10years from now. Lower standards and lower benfits means lower quality.
            Originally Posted by VegasMetro
            maybe it’s me but I think a six pack and midget porn makes for good times?????

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            • #7
              I am very afraid for the LAPD 10years from now. Lower standards and lower benfits means lower quality.
              +1
              So they screwed over many of you already on and the people who want on, have to survive in LA on 30,000 a year... shaking head

              It seems so obvious I just don't understand what people are thinking some times.
              MDRDEP:

              There are no stupid questions, but there sure are a lot of inquisitive idiots.

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              • #8
                In my opionion very few people use the library for checking out books or research these days compared to when most of us were kids. I often see transients, people waiting around wasting time, or 5150's in them.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mtxpro752 View Post
                  Now, with all that said and with the 20% reduced salary for new hires what kind of applicants does the city think it can attract? I am very afraid for the LAPD 10years from now. Lower standards and lower benfits means lower quality.
                  While hiring sufficient qualified personnel during tough economic times (like now) isn't much of a problem, when the situation improves, the city will have the same choice it had before: Offer better (hourly) pay and benefits now, or offer the promise of a better retirement system decades down the road. If either of those incentives don't work (as was the case in the past), their only option will be to lower standards and accept less qualified applicants. Poorer service and more "Rampart" like scandals that cost the taxpayers millions of dollars? You get what you pay for.
                  "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by CAHokie View Post
                    In my opionion very few people use the library for checking out books or research these days compared to when most of us were kids.
                    I agree. Ask your kids or any school-aged kids if they actually went to the library to utilize books/encyclopedia/microfiche reader for school projects?

                    I used the library quite often in college, but it was to find a quite study area (away from my dorm).. and it was the libraries at school, not public libraries where the concept of “quiet” can be experienced.

                    Originally posted by syphon157 View Post
                    The voters are also in favor of redirecting existing tax dollars in the city to libraries. The measure will gradually increase the amount of tax dollars going to the city libraries.

                    Opponents argue it will mean less money for basic services like fire fighters and police. The measure will eventually mean an extra $51 million a year for the city's 73 libraries.


                    and I wonder if the $ saved from pensions will go to programs/assets for the library or the salary of the librarians (most of them hold master's degrees).

                    http://americanlibrariesmagazine.org...3-percent-2010

                    I'm not saying librarians should take a paycut as starting at $60K is not much when you have a master's degree. I'm just wondering if the library services to citizens will benefit from this
                    "redirecting fund" or if it will be used to keep the headcount.
                    Last edited by JC231; 03-09-2011, 07:37 PM. Reason: Added the link.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by FJDave View Post
                      Well, you get what you pay for....
                      At most.
                      Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                      Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                      • #12
                        I have to pay 7% of my salary into retirement here in Texas, as well as pay social security. I came from a department in Arkansas where I paid 2.5% into retirement and no social security taken from my check. Not to mention most Texas retirement is just a 401k type fund set aside, which from my understanding, once you burn through it you burn through it. Just a little bit of a comparison guys. We deserve the best retirement but unfortunately this is the way things are going.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by pulicords View Post
                          It's a matter of priorities! Think about how often these voters need to use their local library (vs police and fire services).
                          Pull,

                          I know your post was meant to be sarcastic, but in reality most people have very little interaction with police or fire services. Most people will never call police for anything.

                          We deal with 5% of the population 95% of the time. The residents won't know what they are missing until police and fire services are diminished so much, that crime goes through the roof. By that time the damage will already be done.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by pulicords View Post
                            While hiring sufficient qualified personnel during tough economic times (like now) isn't much of a problem, when the situation improves, the city will have the same choice it had before: Offer better (hourly) pay and benefits now, or offer the promise of a better retirement system decades down the road. If either of those incentives don't work (as was the case in the past), their only option will be to lower standards and accept less qualified applicants. Poorer service and more "Rampart" like scandals that cost the taxpayers millions of dollars? You get what you pay for.
                            I think it has been a problem already, in the past year in my division alone 4 probationers have been fired for criminal related offenses
                            Originally Posted by VegasMetro
                            maybe it’s me but I think a six pack and midget porn makes for good times?????

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                            • #15
                              The canary just died
                              Originally posted by FJDave
                              GM, you have just set the bar that much higher for the rest of us in our witty, sarcastic responses. I yield to you! Good job, kind Sir!

                              District B13
                              "We are not cops nor Feds." yet he still poses as an officer Hmmmm


                              Grant us grace, fearlessly, to contend against evil and to make no peace with oppression.--WWII memorial

                              "I have loved justice and hated iniquity, therefore I die in exile."

                              Pope Gregory V II

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