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    I understand that all new recruits of LAPD are issued a .40 cal Glock 22 but I have heard that there is a list of approved weapons that can also be carried. Anyone know what other weapons are on that approved list?

  • #2
    Smith and Wesson, Beretta also( 9mm,.40 cal,.45 and BUG in same, including the venerable S&W snubbies in .38 cal) Airports PD and Port PD can also carry the Sig Sauer pistols additionally in 9mm..40 and .45 cal if they want. funny, when the L.A. cops went .40 cal, gang bangers went.40 cal too( arms race never ends in the Sh*tty of L.A.)
    "we're americans ! We don't quit because we're wrong, we just keep doing it wrong UNTIL it turns out Right"...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by DOAcop38 View Post
      Smith and Wesson, Beretta also( 9mm,.40 cal,.45 and BUG in same, including the venerable S&W snubbies in .38 cal) Airports PD and Port PD can also carry the Sig Sauer pistols additionally in 9mm..40 and .45 cal if they want. funny, when the L.A. cops went .40 cal, gang bangers went.40 cal too( arms race never ends in the Sh*tty of L.A.)
      So no Sigs for LAPD huh? Bummer...I love my Sigs.

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      • #4
        SIS and SWAT carry 1911's, currently KIMBER. I believe the 1911 has now been authorized for patrol, with additional training and re-quals. Also you have to have more than 3-5 yrs. Maybe one of our LAPD brothers or sisters can advise the exact requirements.
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        • #5
          http://www.lapdonline.org/i_want_to_know

          " What kind of guns do officers use?

          LAPD Officers are authorized to use, as their on duty primary weapon,

          Beretta:

          92F, 92FS, 92FS-Stainless Steel, 8045 (4” barrel)

          Smith & Wesson:

          459, 5904, 5903, 659, 5906, 645, 4506, 4566, 4567, 5903 TSW, 5906 TSW, 4569 TSW, and 4566 TSW.

          Glock:

          9mm: Model 34, magazine capacity 17
          Model 17, magazine capacity 17
          Model 19, magazine capacity 15

          .40 caliber: Model 35, magazine capacity 15
          Model 22, magazine capacity 15
          Model 23, magazine capacity 13

          .45 caliber: Model 21, magazine capacity 13"
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          2. Protect the innocent
          3. Uphold the law

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          • #6
            Are hi cap 20 round magazines allowed by LAPD for the 9mm Glocks or Berettas? I know Santa Ana and Maywood allowed them if you carried 9.
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            • #7
              I believe in order to carry a 1911 on patrol you have to shoot expert (380 or higher on our bonus course) and attend the transition course.

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              • #8
                For 1911 carry on duty you must have a dept approved 1911 and all duty gear, it must be your gun, can't qual with your buddies then buy your own after you are sure you can do it. You must have a current expert level shooting medal and you must go to the dept transition school. The list for the school is long and the amount of officers per class is few. Mostly former SWAT or SIS who are field supervisors have them, other than that, former firearms instructors who are now in the field have them and several training coordinators carry them. I have yet to see a P2 with a 1911, but by policy P2's can carry them if all requirements are met.

                The 1911 list is long and extends to "Colt style" 1911's but they must not be simple mil-spec models. Prior to use the dept armory must inspect and certify the weapon for duty use.

                Some would expect Metropolitan Division line platoon officers to be carrying them but they won't, out of tradition and respect for SWAT who considers the 1911 to needy and complex for the average officer.

                The way they look at is a Glock is like an old honda, treat it like dirt, bang it around, never change the oil or wash it and it runs great. The 1911 is a Ferrari, it will blow the pants off the honda but you have to service it every few hundred miles, keep the fluids at a perfect level, wash it everytime it comes out of the garage and keep it in a climate controlled garage. Most officers don't have the training or patience to properly maintain such a firearm and something that is going to get banged around on patrol day in and day out will go without care and may not work when needed.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mtxpro752 View Post
                  ...........The way they look at is a Glock is like an old honda, treat it like dirt, bang it around, never change the oil or wash it and it runs great. The 1911 is a Ferrari, it will blow the pants off the honda but you have to service it every few hundred miles, keep the fluids at a perfect level, wash it everytime it comes out of the garage and keep it in a climate controlled garage. Most officers don't have the training or patience to properly maintain such a firearm and something that is going to get banged around on patrol day in and day out will go without care and may not work when needed.
                  and thats the funny thing about the 1911 - good old war horse, but there are plenty of semi- autos chambered in .45 that will give it a run for its money ! True the Kimber SIS is a top of the line .45, but it wouldn't matter IF the shooter is already punching "expert" or disntinguished expert with an old S&W 4506. One of my Range masters can shoot the standard and combat course EXPERT with the 1911, his GLOCK 21, and his own Sig. My LT went to war with his 1911, but happily tugs around his 5"bbl SMITH .45, I fought the GLOCK jocking too ,UNTIL I got my 21 ( which I have yet to actually field) and my "grocery getter" model 22. I was a die hard Beretta fiend, and started carrying my 8045 in the field- maintaining qualification as a "sharpshooter" on basic 30 rd courses as well as combat/tactical courses, but when the higher capacity GLOCK showed up- I took too it PDQ. The only transition I'd go for this late in the game would be to the Sig in.45,should I promote to a desk jockin' sgt.

                  I will agree with you on your view of the GLOCK, its better for the avg "joe" it will handle the nicks and dings- it's " monkey simple" as an old Sarge of mine would say( referring to how mgm't views the competency of the rank and file when using weapons or equipment in the field). For a specialist like the SWAT gorillas, I say let them have the 1911- they have the time to baby the guns. For the patrol mutt or P-2 dog that has to wrestle drunk wife beaters, chase gangbangers, push B/O cars out of the roadway, and draw down on C-37 rides, simplicity is a superior quality in and of itself.

                  But one thing I could NEVER understand is that, with the exception of commonality and compatibility, why LAPD mgm't thinks officers are too STUPID to fire a simple handgun( any hangun or pistol), without some w***oo "transition course"- our SIG course is combined with our GLOCK class( for officers who are considered "dinosaurs", and want to carry something other than their issued berettas or Smiths) 2 day fimilarization and shoot-plain and simple.If you want to carry any weapon authorized in a different caliber, all you need do is bring it in for inspection and QUALIFY. Your shooting skills shouldn't change so drastically just because you change weapons, and we all know "one gun doesn't always serve all".......
                  Last edited by DOAcop38; 02-07-2011, 01:46 PM.
                  "we're americans ! We don't quit because we're wrong, we just keep doing it wrong UNTIL it turns out Right"...

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                  • #10
                    That's just fricken' great!

                    I've been gone 3-1/2 years and NOW they let field troops carry a 1911!?!

                    Those b-a-s-s-t-u-r-d-s!
                    "You're never fully dressed without a smile."

                    Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Kieth M. View Post
                      I've been gone 3-1/2 years and NOW they let field troops carry a 1911!?!
                      But you can carry one now!
                      Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                      Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DAL View Post
                        But you can carry one now!
                        And, yes, yes I am!
                        "You're never fully dressed without a smile."

                        Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

                        Three things I know for sure: (1) No bad deed goes unrewarded, (2) No good deed goes unpunished, and (3) It is entirely possible to push the most devoted, loyal and caring person beyond the point where they no longer give a 5h!t.

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                        • #13
                          I've always liked the 1911 (even though the first one I shot was a piece of junk, in the Navy). I am not sure why.
                          Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                          Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kieth M. View Post
                            That's just fricken' great!

                            I've been gone 3-1/2 years and NOW they let field troops carry a 1911!?!

                            Those b-a-s-s-t-u-r-d-s!
                            Sorry Kieth, but I've got to say this: Back in 1977 the agency I worked for issued 1911s! Carried one for a few years there, then went to "Dept #2" where 1911s (in 9mm) were "department approved/personal owned" options. Although grandfathered out in the 1980's, 1911 type pistols were reauthorized by my department about five years ago and I carried one until I retired. Since retiring, I carry mine almost every day. Even after 100 years, the 1911 is still a viable choice for a duty/personal defense weapon.

                            Glad to hear the current Chief for your agency is so progressive!
                            "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by pulicords View Post
                              Sorry Kieth, but I've got to say this: Back in 1977 the agency I worked for issued 1911s! Carried one for a few years there, then went to "Dept #2" where 1911s (in 9mm) were "department approved/personal owned" options. Although grandfathered out in the 1980's, 1911 type pistols were reauthorized by my department about five years ago and I carried one until I retired. Since retiring, I carry mine almost every day. Even after 100 years, the 1911 is still a viable choice for a duty/personal defense weapon.
                              fired a few- yes they feel good and purpose built for the caliber(.45 ACP, even shot an impressive .38 SUPER once !) Still for the price os a "decent" 1911, you could buy 2 GLOCKS- your duty one and a back up/off duty- carry more ammo capacity, and wouldn't whine when you see dings and spurs from getting out of the "mobile office" on a daily basis.

                              Now off duty( or free from "indentured servitude" as Sgt K is? different story

                              Glad to hear the current Chief for your agency is so progressive! [/QUOTE]
                              "we're americans ! We don't quit because we're wrong, we just keep doing it wrong UNTIL it turns out Right"...

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