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  • Kullyfohrnya bulk ammo sales to be curbed???

    I had an e-mail exchange with another LAPD retiree saying that the (hand-wringing, let's-punish-the-innocent- so-the-guilty-don't-feel-bad-about-themselves, beard-stroking, overprotective, pannicky, nanny-state) CA legislators are looking to limit ammo sales to just 50 rounds per transaction?

    Is he correct, or is his tinfoil hat too tight?
    Last edited by Kieth M.; 09-01-2009, 08:03 PM.
    "You're never fully dressed without a smile."

    Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

    Three things I know for sure: (1) No bad deed goes unrewarded, (2) No good deed goes unpunished, and (3) It is entirely possible to push the most devoted, loyal and caring person beyond the point where they no longer give a 5h!t.

  • #2
    There is some sort of state bill being concocted, and a petition agaisnt it going around in gun stores. I don't know all the particulars but there is something in there about having to register to buy ammo, and about limiting quantities. This is of course a way of eliminating internet and mail order (read "bulk") sales, and subjecting us to being ripped off by the few gun stores that won't go out of business with all these damn restrictions CA comes up with.
    Last edited by yellowreef; 09-01-2009, 08:14 PM.
    "You don't want the truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall... I have neither the time, nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it."

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    • #3
      It also makes ANY shipping of ANY AMOUNT of ammo from ANYWHERE illegal. So you can't just buy ammo on the internet anymore.
      sigpic
      Originally posted by Smurfette
      Lord have mercy. You're about as slick as the business side of duct tape.
      Originally posted by DAL
      You are without doubt a void surrounded by a sphincter muscle.

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      • #4
        Sadly, it is so

        AB 962 has passed the Assembly and is awaiting a vote on the Senate floor.

        http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/...asm_floor.html

        SUMMARY : Requires, commencing July 1, 2010, that any person
        that sells or transfers more than 50 rounds of handgun
        ammunition in any month to register as a handgun ammunition
        vendor. Specifically, this bill :

        1)Provides that commencing July 1, 2010, no person shall sell or
        transfer ownership of more than 50 rounds of handgun
        ammunition in any month unless the person is licensed by the
        Department of Justice (DOJ) as a licensed handgun ammunition
        vendor, as specified.

        2)Exempts the sale and transfer of ownership of handgun
        ammunition by manufacturers or wholesalers to licensed
        vendors.

        3)Exempts sales or transfers of ownership of handgun ammunition
        made by an authorized law enforcement representative of a
        federal, state or local agency to a peace officer authorized
        to carry a handgun in the course and scope of his or her
        duties.

        4)Exempts the sale or transfer of ownership of handgun
        ammunition to representatives of a federal, state, or local
        agency, if written authorization by the head of the agency
        authorizing the transaction, is presented to the vendor of
        handgun ammunition.

        5)Exempts the sale or transfer of ownership of handgun
        ammunition state and local entities in which the entity is
        acquiring the ammunition as part of an authorized program in
        which the entity is buying or receiving ammunition from
        private individuals.

        6)Exempts the sale or transfer of ownership of handgun
        ammunition between immediate family members, spouses, or
        registered domestic partners.

        7)Provides that a violation of provisions relating to the sale
        and transfer of handgun ammunition is a misdemeanor.

        8)Authorizes the DOJ to issue handgun ammunition vendor
        licenses.

        9)Provides that no ammunition handgun vendor license may be
        issued to an applicant who fails to provide a copy of any
        required local business license, a seller's permit, a federal
        firearms license if the person is federally licensed, and a
        certificate of eligibility (COE). The handgun ammunition
        vendor's license shall be issued for a specific physical
        location where the sale or transfer of ownership of handgun
        ammunition is to be conducted.

        10)Requires the DOJ to inform applicants who are denied licenses
        of the reason for the denial in writing.

        11)Requires the handgun ammunition vendor license to be issued
        in a form prescribed by the Attorney General (AG) and shall be
        valid for a period of one year, and authorizes the AG to adopt
        regulations to administer application procedures and
        procedures for licensees

        12)Allows the DOJ to charge handgun ammunition vendors license
        applicants a fee sufficient for the costs or reimbursing the
        DOJ for the cost of administering the handgun license program,
        maintaining the registry of handgun ammunition vendors, and
        necessary regulatory functions, including enforcement,
        provided that the fee shall not exceed $50.

        13)Requires the DOJ to issue licenses for the following
        applicants:

        a) State-licensed firearms dealers;

        b) Federally licensed firearms dealers;

        c) A target facility which holds a business or regulatory
        license;

        d) Gunsmiths;

        e) Wholesalers; and,

        f) Manufacturers or importers of firearms, as specified.

        14)Requires the DOJ to keep a centralized registry of all
        persons, businesses, and corporations who are vendors, and
        provides that no vendor shall transfer ownership of handgun
        ammunition pursuant to their licenses unless the vendor is on
        the centralized registry.

        15)Allows the DOJ to remove any vendor from the registry who
        violates any provisions relating to the transfer and sale of
        handgun ammunition.

        16)Provides that the license of any vendor that violates
        provisions relating to the sale or transfer of ammunition
        three times shall be permanently revoked, and notice of the
        revocation shall be provided to local law enforcement and
        licensing authorities in the jurisdiction where the vendor's
        business is located.

        17)States that information contained in the centralized registry
        of handgun ammunition vendors shall be made available for law
        enforcement purposes, or when the information is requested for
        the purpose of determining the validity of handgun ammunition
        deliveries or transfers

        18)Provides that a handgun ammunition vendor shall comply with
        all of the following conditions, requirements and
        prohibitions:

        a) A vendor shall not permit an employee who is prohibited
        from possessing a firearm, or has been assessed as a danger
        to his or her self or others, to handle, sell, or deliver
        ammunition in the scope of his or her employment;

        b) Requires an employee of a vendor, who becomes an
        employee after July 1, 2010, and who handles, sell or
        transfers handgun ammunition, to provide to the vendor a
        certificate of eligibility obtained from the DOJ and the
        request must be made within 45 days of employing the
        individual; and,

        c) Requires an employee of a vendor who becomes an employee
        on or before July 1, 2010 and who handles, sells, or
        delivers handgun ammunition to provide to the vendor a COE
        obtained from the DOJ no later than August 15, 2010.

        17)Commencing July 1, 2010, a vendor of handgun ammunition shall
        not sell or transfer ownership of any handgun ammunition in a
        manner that allows that ammunition to be accessible to a
        purchaser without the assistance of the vendor or employee
        thereof.

        18)Provides that commencing July 1, 2010, a vendor of handgun
        ammunition shall not sell or transfer handgun ammunition
        without at the time of purchase legibly recording the
        following information on a form prescribed by the DOJ:

        a) The date of the transaction;

        b) The transferee's driver's license or other
        identification number and the state in which it was issued;

        c) The brand, type, and amount of ammunition transferred;

        d) The purchaser or transferee's signature;

        e) The name of the salesperson who processed the sale or
        transaction;

        f) The right thumbprint of the purchaser or transferee on
        the prescribed form;

        g) The purchaser's or transferee's full residential address
        and telephone number; and,

        h) The purchaser's or transferee's date of birth.

        19)Commencing July 1, 2010, the records of the sale or transfer
        of handgun ammunition shall be maintained on the premises of
        the vendor for at least five years from the date of the
        recorded transfer.

        20)Commencing July 1, 2010, the handgun ammunition vendor's
        records of sale shall be subject to inspection by specified
        peace officers engaged in an investigation where the records
        may be relevant, is seeking information about prohibited
        persons, or is engaged in ensuring compliance with laws
        relating to firearms or ammunition.

        21)Commencing July 1, 2010, a handgun ammunition vendor shall
        not knowingly make a false entry in, fail to make a required
        entry in, fail to obtain the required thumbprint, or otherwise
        fail to maintain the records of handgun ammunition transfers
        or sales.

        22)Commencing July 1, 2010, no vendor shall refuse to permit
        specified peace officers to examine any record related to the
        transfer or sale of handgun ammunition, or refuse to permit
        the use of these record by those persons.

        23)Exempts from providing specified information at the time of
        purchase or transfer of ownership of handgun ammunition by
        licensed handgun ammunition vendors to any of the following
        who are properly identified in a manner prescribed by the DOJ:

        a) A licensed firearms dealers;

        b) A licensed handgun ammunition vendor;

        c) A federally licensed firearms dealer;

        d) A target facility which holds a business or regulatory
        license;

        e) Gunsmiths;

        f) Wholesalers;

        g) Manufacturers or importers of firearms, as specified;

        h) Sales or transfers of ownership of handgun ammunition
        made to authorized law enforcement representatives if
        written authorization from the employing the agency is
        presented to the person from whom the purchase is being
        made; and,

        i) Sales or transfers of ownership of handgun ammunition by
        licensed handgun ammunition vendors to sworn peace
        officers, as specified.

        24)Provides that specified violations relating to the
        maintenance of records of handgun ammunition transfers or
        sales shall be punished as a misdemeanor.

        25)Makes it a misdemeanor for any person who is subject to an
        injunction for being a member of a criminal street gang to
        own, possess, or have under his or her custody or control, any
        ammunition or reloaded ammunition.

        26)Provides that a sale of any ammunition by a person,
        corporation or firm to a person prohibited from owning or
        possessing ammunition, or to a person he or she reasonably
        should know is a prohibited person, is punishable by up to one
        year in the county jail, by a fine not to exceed $1,000, or
        both.

        27)Provides that commencing July 1, 2010, the sale or transfer
        of handgun ammunition may only occur in a face-to-face
        transaction with the seller or transferor being provided with
        bona fide evidence of identity from the purchaser, and a
        violation of this provision is a misdemeanor.

        28)Defines "bona fide evidence of identity" as a document issued
        by a federal, state, county, or municipal government, or
        agency thereof, including, but not limited to, a motor vehicle
        operator's license, California state identification card,
        identification card issued to a member of the armed forces, or
        other form of identification that bears the name, date of
        birth, description, and picture of the person.

        29)Defines "handgun ammunition" as ammunition principally for
        concealed upon the person, as defined, notwithstanding that
        the ammunition may also be used in some rifles, but excluding
        ammunition intended to be used in antique firearms. Handgun
        ammunition does not include blanks used in prop weapons.

        30)Provides that the face-to-face requirement shall not apply to
        the delivery of ammunition to law enforcement agencies, sworn
        peace officers, importers and manufacturers of firearms,
        licensed ammunition vendors, licensed firearms dealers or
        collectors, and consultant evaluators as specified.

        FISCAL EFFECT : According to the Assembly Appropriations
        Committee, DOJ projects start-up costs of about $700,000, with
        ongoing costs of $60,000 for seven positions. DOJ indicates
        these costs would eventually be covered by the $50 fee and
        employer payments to DOJ for the cost of the COEs.

        COMMENTS : According to the author, "AB 962 the Protection Act of
        2009 seeks to safeguard California's communities by combating
        the easy accessibility to handgun ammunition that fuels gun
        violence and criminal activity."
        Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
        Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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        • #5
          Ugh.........
          sigpic
          Originally posted by Smurfette
          Lord have mercy. You're about as slick as the business side of duct tape.
          Originally posted by DAL
          You are without doubt a void surrounded by a sphincter muscle.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DAL View Post
            COMMENTS : According to the author, "AB 962 the Protection Act of
            2009 seeks to safeguard California's communities by combating
            the easy accessibility to handgun ammunition that fuels gun
            violence and criminal activity."
            Because criminals who obtain firearms illegally will always obtain the ammo legally.

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            • #7
              Get ready for another super ammo shortage throughout CA...
              "You don't want the truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall... I have neither the time, nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it."

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              • #8
                What about those of us who self-sponsor(ed) through a POST academy? We don't qualify for LE status, as we are not affiliated with an agency...AND we are required to have all of our ammo DAY 1 of the academy. We just have to buy it every day, 1 box at a time?

                This is beyond ridiculous.

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                • #9
                  I better go to walmart in the morning and stock up bigtime.

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                  • #10
                    Sooooooo, glad I left CA for CO.

                    BTW - Will the last one out, please lower and take the American flag with them.
                    "You're never fully dressed without a smile."

                    Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

                    Three things I know for sure: (1) No bad deed goes unrewarded, (2) No good deed goes unpunished, and (3) It is entirely possible to push the most devoted, loyal and caring person beyond the point where they no longer give a 5h!t.

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                    • #11
                      Glad I reload all my own ammo, but finding reloading supplies is darn near impossible. I have been waiting for 9 months to buy primers. Thankfully I have over 10,000 rounds already loaded.
                      Retired LASD

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by yellowreef View Post
                        Get ready for another super ammo shortage throughout CA...
                        It is already here! And, it is not going to get any better. A POTUS who is anti-gun; a USAG who is anti-gun; and, the Nancy Pelosi followers who are in power in Sacto.

                        We need a major PRO 2nd Amendment movement and close association with the NRA in CA to help overturn those idiots.
                        Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence!

                        [George Washington (1732 - 1799)]

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SHU View Post
                          I better go to walmart in the morning and stock up bigtime.
                          More often than not, the shelves are already bare...unless you're a big fan of .25 auto!
                          "You're never fully dressed without a smile."

                          Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

                          Three things I know for sure: (1) No bad deed goes unrewarded, (2) No good deed goes unpunished, and (3) It is entirely possible to push the most devoted, loyal and caring person beyond the point where they no longer give a 5h!t.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kieth M. View Post
                            More often than not, the shelves are already bare...unless you're a big fan of .25 auto!
                            Which, coincidentally, is the caliber of choice for many of the "thug guns" I have recovered....
                            Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
                            --Winston Churchill--

                            "Si vis pacem, para bellum"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by hankido2000
                              Lately I've been ordering from several vendors online. I haven't experienced any shortages.
                              Which vendors. I can't find any in stock anywhere. I need to get some for the academy. Thanks for any help. You can pm me if you prefer.
                              If guns cause crime, all of mine are defective.

                              "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who are not."
                              Thomas Jefferson

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