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  • 830.....Questions

    Greetings from an LEO in Delaware

    I've been browsing the Cali forum - as I wouldn't mind switching coasts - and I see that there are these 830-series numbers being thrown around. I was wondering if one of you knowledgable comrades would be so kind as to delineate what the acts are what authority it gives the person taking it.

    Here's my shtick. Got hurt while wrestling a subject - twisted the ankle and tore a muscle. Now I can't run very far without my ankle giving out. That said, my desire to return to the road hasn't slaked. So...what sort of depts out in Sunny Cali don't require a full academy? Do these 830.1.12.3 whatever classes come into play?

    Many thanks brothers for you anticipated responses. *dripping/sarcasm*

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    To become a peace officer in the state of California you have to go through a full academy, and be employed by a law enforcemnet agency. Penal code section 830.1 is what give you authority to perform your job as a peace officer.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by cruz0311 View Post
      To become a peace officer in the state of California you have to go through a full academy, and be employed by a law enforcemnet agency. Penal code section 830.1 is what give you authority to perform your job as a peace officer.
      The sections under 830 PC designate primary area of responsibility- those designated as 830.1 PC have general police enforcement responsibility( county or municipal peace officers) while the reast fall under State, or district police officers -as "Cruz" pointed out- all patrol responding peace officers have to be CA. POST certified and attend a basic police academy;the only real difference is often in the criminal follow up of investigations as well the emphasis on where and what is actually patrolled.Doesn't really matter as -when it comes down to it- any peace officer under the sections of 830 PC can pursue you ,arrest you, and investigate you from committing criminal acts throughout the state of Calif.

      what you need to do is have an assessment of you prior medical condition,then find out if your Delaware training will qualify you to take the CA. POST equivalency testing for out of staters
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      • #4
        First, it's been a while since I've dealt with this, so my information may be out of date. With that in mind, call POST at (916) 227.3909 and inquire about the following:

        If you look around the 830.3 sections you will find a number of state investigator positions. If memory serves me correctly, several of these only required that you complete a state investigator academy. I don't know what the physical requirements are for that academy, but given that the investigations they conduct are more administrative or regulatory in nature, there may not be a lot of PT involved. To find current state investigator vacancies check out http://jobs.spb.ca.gov/exams_occgroup2.cfm?mac=11

        Further on in the 830.3X section you will find several jobs that are really security guard positions that come with police powers. They are not very exciting and you will answer to a civilian who knows nothing about police work and who will no doubt order you to do all sorts of things that are totally unprofessional (but I digress). Many of these jobs only require what is called an 832 PC academy. It is abbreviated training that you might be able to limp through (pun intended). Given that you will be working for a civilian agency such as a school, a utility company or the courts, who have no idea as to the physical demands of law enforcement, its likely the pre-employment physical will be minimal. But at the same time, it's just as likely that you will become the midnight watchman, whose only task is to sit and watch the metal rust.

        Best of luck.
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        • #5
          There is also the possibility of taking an exam and getting a waiver of the POST Basic Academy. However, any department that hires you would require you to pass a rather demanding physical, unless you took a position such as DA Investigator.
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          • #6
            I saw other than the 830.

            In fact, I was looking at a hospital police dept that mentioned something about 832. what is that?

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            • #7
              I'm no expert but here is my understanding of things:

              If you have been through a police academy in Delaware, you would have to go through the Basic Course Waiver (BCW) process to be eligible to work as a police officer in California.

              The BCW basically requires you to present proof of your training to California POST for review. They will tell you where you are lacking.

              From that point it gets sketchy for me. I have heard from one person that they had to supplement their training by taking classes in the areas in which they were lacking before proceeding any further.

              From there the person is then required to take and complete a California POST-approved Basic Academy Re-qualification course. This is a 136 hour course on various aspects of police work and California law. It is offered by several academies/community colleges throughout the state and can be presented in varying formats such as a three-week format or nine weekend format.

              Once you receive your certificate to work as a police officer in California you can begin applying for different agencies.

              Every agency has different standards for what "level" you would be able to apply. Some might consider you a "lateral" if you have police experience. Some might consider you an "academy graduate". Others might consider you "entry level".

              Every agency also has different requirements for physical agility tests. Some may not require one for "lateral" candidates but require them for "entry level" ones. Even the tests can vary. Some require only a short sprint, getting over a six-foot wall and dragging a dummy.

              I believe POST requires the hiring agency to have you submit to a medical physical but this is after a conditional job offer. You would likely have to list your ailment during this process.

              I believe back, heart and possibly some lung ailments are of special concern to employers since they are "presumptive", which means if a police officer gets them, it is normally presumed to have been job-related. A prior ankle injury may or may not be a big deal to an employer.

              The difference between some of the various peace officers classifications vary. One of the major ones seems to be whether or not you have full peace officer powers, that is off-duty peace officer powers. They also vary as to whether you can carry a firearm off-duty without a concealed carry permit.

              I hope this helps.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by DEcop989 View Post
                I saw other than the 830.

                In fact, I was looking at a hospital police dept that mentioned something about 832. what is that?
                832 PC is the section in the penal code that dictates training requirements for anybody appointed to a peace officer position in CA. The basic police academy curriculum in CA includes 832 PC training requirements. There are also more abbreviated "832 PC" classes for agencies that do not require a full police academy but are permitted by law to grant peace officer authority on their employees.
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                • #9
                  Every agency around here requires you to attend a full CA academy. I had a officers from AK and TX in my class.

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                  • #10
                    If you can meet the requirements put forth by Calif POST, we'll hire you. We'll put you through the 3 week course (if one is available), you take the test, then start FTO.

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                    • #11
                      Well, this doesnt sound good. So Cali's out.

                      Thanx guys.

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                      • #12
                        My understanding is that the 830.1, 830.2, 830.3 etc. hierarchy designates primary areas of responsibilities. My question is this: say you are an 830.3X peace officer, are you not a "fulltime peace officer" with 24-hour peace officer powers?

                        I've heard this line of thought from some older officers and it strikes me as incorrect...
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                        • #13
                          What about 832? Or 831 for that matter?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Stugotz View Post
                            My understanding is that the 830.1, 830.2, 830.3 etc. hierarchy designates primary areas of responsibilities. My question is this: say you are an 830.3X peace officer, are you not a "fulltime peace officer" with 24-hour peace officer powers?

                            I've heard this line of thought from some older officers and it strikes me as incorrect...
                            Thats just what it is - from "older officers" and their intrepretation. Case in point, a friend from my old reserve academy at rio hondo was working as an L.A. city Park Ranger. He was driving thru montebello some yrs back ,leaving a girlfriends house when montebello PD officers felt "something" was suspicious about him and his car, Despite id'ing himself as a City Park Ranger ( Peace officer) ,and having no other PC to detain him( expired registration, traffic viols) they asked him if he had a firearm on him, and he said "yes"- Montebello PD officers then entered his vehicle , searched and found the weapon in a holster and arrested him on the 12031(a) PC violation. Their mindset? since he wasn't 830.1 PC ( no park Ranger, state or local is ) he "wasn't a real peace officer" and had no "off duty authority".when they discovered that his agency is unarmed,they pushed an IA complaint against him to LAPD at first (LAPD said they didn't handle complaints against Rangers and referred them to the Park Rangers Dept),but also advised them that there were no off duty restrictions against Park Rangers having firearms.the case was REJECTED by the court.

                            alot of older generation officers like to look down on police officers and peace officers not in 830.1 ( they even "dog" 830.2 officers like the CHP,State Park Rangers, Dept of Fish and game, Univ. of Ca. and Cal.State Univ. cops) as being "less police" or "limited"- the only limit is general area of immediate responsibility. BUT they - the Officers I talked about- often FAIL to want to accept the part of the penal code that states "the listed officers are PEACE OFFICERS ANYWHERE THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA".....

                            There are stipulations in the subsections which require that the listed peace officers NOT in 830.1,2,3 have authorization by their agencies to be armed on duty, but this was long agreed upon due to pressure from the CA.Police chiefs Association to "regulate" what they considered "security" units outside their span of control.Ca POST requirements, coupled with yrs of training and experience has made this issue of little consquence. I'll challenge you to find ANY city or county police officer or person in supervision who actually is STUPID enough to think they can interfere,stop or overturn the actions of a "college" or "school" or "transit" police officer in the lawful and legal performance of that officers duty.reminds me of a situation where and El Segundo Police officer approached a Partner and I on a traffic stop back on sepulveda and El segundo Bl in 1993.We were taking a female felony warrant suspect into custody ( she knew she had the warrant and continued to drive thinking we'd stop following her).We thought he had stopped to back us,but the same officer,upon seeing the female driver crying as she was handcuffed, actually said " they can't arrest you ! they are off AIRPORT PROPERTY ".(dumbass didn't "realize" that we are police officers of the City of L.A. )

                            Same officer was even silly enough to call his Sgt ,but the Sgt apparently corrected him on this. with the exception of certain segments of the section that covers State correctional officers, there is NO "limited" peace officer status , and you don't STOP being a Peace officer off duty.....
                            Last edited by DOAcop38; 10-08-2008, 04:15 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Stugotz View Post
                              My understanding is that the 830.1, 830.2, 830.3 etc. hierarchy designates primary areas of responsibilities. My question is this: say you are an 830.3X peace officer, are you not a "fulltime peace officer" with 24-hour peace officer powers?

                              I've heard this line of thought from some older officers and it strikes me as incorrect...
                              That is incorrect. My agency is 830.31, and we are full time, 24 hour peace officers. You gotta be careful who you listen to....read for yourself and learn.

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