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  • #16
    No closure !

    Wow! It's nice to see so many responses to my thread however, some things do need to be clarified. Steve , yes I was aware there was a chance I might not succeed in Anchorage . But Marines don't believe in failure, so that wasn't an option. I was pretty "fanatical" (excessive enthusiasm for and intense devotion to a cause or idea) about becoming an A.S.T. I know a lot of you don't understand me, it's okay, I understand, hence the expression "The Few The Proud"

    My problem is not that I traveled to Alaska, spent between three and four thousand dollars, went through the complete hiring process. It's that I have no closure, never will. A.S.T. has a motto Loyalty,Integrity, Courage, which is pretty clear doesn't apply to the hiring process. My other problem is with the interview process. The oral board takes five minutes. Immediately after the board you will sit with the recruiter five more or so minutes and wait for your fate. (This is day two in the hiring process). If you continue pass this phase your interviews are finished. Oh yea, the shrink he's not a real interview though, that's the crazy talking to the crazy. For such an important position and career change, you would think hours would be spent interviewing their candidates. I know this applies to a lot of agencies, just don't agree!!!! If anyone would like to talk to me more privately about my experiences in Anchorage please feel free to E-mail me. If you are currently employed with A.S.T please, you are more than welcome.( I Encourage it)

    Answers to a few other comments. The pay in Alaska is no different than most of the lower 48 except for a few departments, but I wasn't looking for the money, for me it was the experience!!" Cost of living" really! the math is pretty easy!


    Shipmate , Thanks but I was aware of the tax brakes.
    Semper FI

    Greg

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    • #17
      Originally posted by SkepticAlways View Post
      Triple your staff...that would make it what? Three?
      There is actually more than that back there but not the point. The problem they foresee is that when they tell applicant X that he did not make it because he told this ________, applicant X will not tell agency B that same thing. Now you have an applicant withholding information and not all agencies speak to one another about hiring folks. Does this meant it WILL occur? No but by this way it is preventing a larger problem down the road.
      The process for any agency isn't the best and the only complaints I ever hear are from those who don't make it. Its not perfect and if that makes you bitter than move on. In my life I tried to join the military FIVE TIMES and was turned down each time due to vision. I had corrective surgery thinking it was a good idea (recruiter told me I should get it done) three grand later I am still not in....am I gonna cry? No, I saw that it was not meant for me and moved on.

      GJ
      Disclaimer: The writer does not represent any organization, employer, entity or other individual. The views expressed are those only of the writer. In the case of a sarcastic, facetious, nonsensical, stirring-the-pot, controversial or devil's advocate-type post, the views expressed may not even reflect those of the writer [This sig stolen from Brickcop who stole it from Frank Booth].

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      • #18
        Thanks That Guy, Sorry you were not excepted by the military, least you tried. Well I have moved on and see sunny days ahead. Everything happens for a reason...

        Greg

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        • #19
          Originally posted by marines85 View Post
          I just finished the hiring process for Aug 3rd Academy and I will tell you that the hiring process has a lot of room for improvement. I applied back in Feb., went through back ground, which is this first big hurdle which took three hours on the phone. I was accepted to continue the process by traveling to Anchorage for continuation of the hiring regime . This is where the fun begins!!!!!!!!!!!!! First the physical test for me Age 42 no problem. Let me back up a minute. A.S.T brings about 40 applicants to Anchorage for testing and keep in mind gents & ladies, that this is after a very lengthy background investigation.These 40 our broken up into three groups 12,13 or so. Then with maybe some variance in this order, oral board,written psych, polygraph, physical,oral psych, each day one of these steps is completed. The oral board, passed the written psych,passed the polygraph,passed the physical and oral psych? Other than failing the physical fitness test on day one or oral board on day two, you will never really know what disqualified you. I spent four thousand dollars traveling from Florida to fulfill a life long dream. Well!! it didn't happen. I left Anchorage without a doubt that I had passed everything and was looking forward to my phone call in the first of July. Phone call never came ! Let me back up again. When you pass your oral board you sit down with a recruiter. He is A Jar head, so I will leave him out of the sour grapes I feel for this agency. This is where you are told the most important thing about your hiring process. Its in Morse Code so pay close attention. The recruiter will look at you and say, if for some reason you are dropped from the hiring process, they can't tell you what went wrong, "you Know the truth". No!! Instead they will give you the A.S.T version of Morse Code. Ready! This is what you will be told, If you fail the Polygraph you will be told to re-apply next cycle. If you fail the psych , "the Doc"! you will be told to re-apply next year!!. Well you won't Know the answer to that question unless you contact them by E-mail or phone. The letter you receive will tell you nothing about why your were dropped!! I spent $4000 thousand just to receive a generic letter not even signed, how pathetic !!! Yes I e-mailed them and my morse code was I failed the psych. Bull S t!! They picked 14 out of 40 for Aug 3rd. I will close with this. I befriended a candidate in Anchorage who was picked for the academy, 36 hours into training he washed!!!! You would think the doc could have seen this coming, maybe not. I really thing in my case, that this was age discrimination, but I have no way to prove that. If it sounds like sour Grapes you are damn right! I'm a Marine and really feel that this agency could do a little bit better with their hiring process!! I send this message not to discourage you from A.S.T , but to remember that nothing in life is what it seems!!!! Good luck

          Greg

          Greg,

          I am sorry to hear about all of this. I just applied there, and sent my background packet. Please pm me w/more info. We are in the same boat, as I am 48 and just pursuing a career in law enforcement.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by SkepticAlways View Post
            Triple your staff...that would make it what? Three?
            Our staff is currently one clerk, three background specialists, one recruiter (me) and one Sgt in charge.

            Steve

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            • #21
              I know of a guy who was rejected at the board interview portion for being "too military." Yes, AST is a paramilitary organization, but it isn't the Marines. They want to make sure you can interact with the public in a human fashion. I've heard more than once "we don't want robots." Being "too military" can come across rather robotic to the public.
              The DA/SA handgun: A NAZI solution to a problem that didn't exist!

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              • #22
                akflyer, I agree, and wish that this applied to me at least I would know where I went wrong. Thanks Trooper ?

                Greg

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                • #23
                  Dog Mom, Well hell, I guess I'm f >>>>>>>> k Thanks

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                  • #24
                    Mikeg, I will chat with you soon!!!

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                    • #25
                      Disappointed

                      Greg,

                      Sorry it didn't work out for you with AST but I will tell you, there are many of us who didn't get in on the first try or second try. I personally relocated to another state for two years to test with an agency only to be told "informally" that I was too white, no college, and the wrong sex. Needless to say, I was not happy but came home quietly and continued to pursue my goals. 14 years ago I was hired and at the risk of sounding conceded, have become a pretty good cop. That original agency missed a good hire but they didn't own me anything, not even an explanation for not picking me up. Two things come to mind that I think you and others should know.

                      First, AST does not care about an applicant's age. Infact, while most state agencies have a maximum age limit, AST does not. Older recruits have done really well in AST and often relate better with the public considering most Troopers are out there by themselves.

                      Second, an agencies' policy on not disclosing the reason for a non-hire is usually HR related. Most cops will tell you they would rather "tell it like it is" but HR folks recommend against it. You can thank our litigious society for that!

                      It sounds to me the recruiter tried to give you as much information as possible without violating policy. In the old days, they wouldn't have even had that conversation with you. No agency has a perfect process but they must have "a process." The oral board is usually not the deciding factor, it's the 3 or 4 hour interview during the background. The oral board just confirms the department's interest in hiring the applicant. Sometimes, a person does fail the oral board but I understand it's rare.

                      One final thought, If law enforcement if still your goal, remember your posts are viewed by countless others and there may be some out there who, while they understand your frustration, will judge you on what you post.

                      Hang in there!

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                      • #26
                        This is not related to recruiting, but funny/odd personal story:. While I was on active duty in the Marines (around 1994/5) I went to Ft Wayneright (did I spell that right???) and then on to a remote base for cold weather training above the artic circle. In total I was in Alaska for about 60 days. Being originally from a warm weather place, I loved it up there. Saw a few Troopers and they were very professional and sharp looking. When it was time for me to leave the Marines I started to inquire about AST, but it was going to be rather expensive to travel up there so I decided to apply in Fl and put off AST for a few years. Man, I wish I would have gone with AST from the get go...But everything happens for a reason. One day I will be back up there to visit ( I hope)...

                        Semper Fi and you all be safe!

                        From warm South Florida

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                        • #27
                          Don't let stuff get you down. I know where you are coming from, I applied to AST over two years ago and did not get hired. I joined the Alaska Air Guard (was going to anyway) and ended up working with the Active Duty Secuirty Forces, a deployment and applied to a few agencies. One did not even return my e-mail after a month or so, another agency said I made "top 5" but they were only hiring two officers, and a good chance I may get hired by one I applied to recencly. Most hear and think of AST but there are quite a few agencies out there that are hiring right now. If you want to join an Alaskan LE agency check out jobs.state.ak.us.

                          It all depends on AST as well. I went through the entire process and only got a min. or so phone call and that was it. I haven't applied since but there is a trooper in my guard unit up here that did not make it the first time go. Another member is a prior trooper, speaking to them a lot of it is about life experience. I know one who has applied 4 times and can't get past the local background. Give it another shot, I did and I have a good feeling about NSBPD and heard nothing but good things. Sure everyone hears about a trooper did this or that but look how many are out there, not all are bad. :-) Good Luck!
                          Justin Stuart

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                          • #28
                            Professional Agency:

                            I have always liked the AST and thought of them as a very professional agency.

                            I'm saddened by the fact that they changed their retirement. I guess it is like a 401 K type retirement. The pay for the agency is also pretty disparaging. I have heard that the AST is losing a lot of Troopers to the Anchorage PD. APD is a good agency with very competitive pay.

                            APD's pay is even competitive to some California agencies. California being one of the best "cop paying States". With that being said, I think the nostalgia of becoming an Alaska State Trooper is what continues to attract applicants, because of that the AST can continue to be choosy in who they hire.

                            I personally know two AST's that love their job, but are having a hard time justifying the pay. One has told me that the pay is the hardest thing to swallow about the job. Other then that he loves it.
                            Go back to where ever you came from, smoke a fatty, and sing Kum-Ba-Yah with Osama Bin Laden. Hopefully you will find the Communist Utopia you so desire.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by CAleo View Post
                              I have always liked the AST and thought of them as a very professional agency.

                              I'm saddened by the fact that they changed their retirement. I guess it is like a 401 K type retirement. The pay for the agency is also pretty disparaging. I have heard that the AST is losing a lot of Troopers to the Anchorage PD. APD is a good agency with very competitive pay.

                              APD's pay is even competitive to some California agencies. California being one of the best "cop paying States". With that being said, I think the nostalgia of becoming an Alaska State Trooper is what continues to attract applicants, because of that the AST can continue to be choosy in who they hire.

                              I personally know two AST's that love their job, but are having a hard time justifying the pay. One has told me that the pay is the hardest thing to swallow about the job. Other then that he loves it.
                              Its not just AST's retirement its the whole State and all local agencies. Everyone is in PERS. The Public Employee Retirement System. And you are right it sucks.
                              pat
                              Firearms Instructor.
                              Urban Rifle Instructor.
                              Colt M16/AR15 Armorer.
                              Glock Armorer.

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