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    Does anyone have a list of counties in Alabama that still have Constables?
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  • #2
    40 views and not one reply! 8-(
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    • #3
      The list is dwindling. They lost another county the past legislative session, one prior and so on. There are just a few random ones left. You can forget running blue lights too for the most part. They won't grant them by permit.
      That's what they do, it's a trailer park.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by CO1989 View Post
        40 views and not one reply! 8-(
        Just FYI, simply viewing a thread doesn't mean someone has the answer to your question. I'm a previous AL cop and I have no idea, never encountered a constable in that state.
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        • #5
          Unfortunately Shelby Co has a cpl. We had one in our area a few years ago who not only had zero law enforcement quals or experience, but decided to take it upon himself to deck out his POV with lights and decals and swear in a few deputy constables, give them uniforms and show up at our public events telling us they were there to help. That didn't fly very well and when they decided to start making traffic stops and getting out with us on our traffic stops, we had a little "come to Jesus" meeting with them and clipped their wings. I believe he didn't seek re election this past time, which was good. Constables in AL are a joke. Dont waste your time or think that they are in anyway respected or utilized by other law enf. HUGE liability in my opinion.
          Matthew 5:9 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be known as the children of God."

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          • #6
            As has been mentioned, there are not that many left, thank goodness. I do know that there is some legislation being kicked around about making it mandatory to be APOSTC certified, it hasn't passed but it is on the burner. As others have mentioned they are not very highly thought of around the state.
            It's not the will to win that matters...everyone has that. It's the will to prepare to win that matters.
            Paul "Bear" Bryant

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            • #7
              Thanks for the replies gentlemen - I will abandon the idea.
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              • #8
                Sorry I'm so late to this topic but I just recently discovered it while researching Alabama Constables. As for me I feel that the Constable fulfills an underappreciated but necessary role within the Criminal Justice system and are an underutilized resource. Which may explain why I’m interviewing for a Deputy Constable position this week.

                But to answer your question the list is as follows:

                Baldwin County

                Barbour County

                Coffee County

                Colbert County

                Conecuh County

                Coosa County

                Dallas County

                Dekalb County

                Elmore County

                Etowah County

                Franklin County

                Green County

                Jackson County

                Jefferson County

                Lee County

                Marengo County

                Marion County

                Mobile County

                Monroe County

                Russell County

                Shelby County

                Sumter County

                Talladega County

                Tallapoosa County

                Walker County

                Wilcox County

                Winston County

                (Source: http://alabamaconstables.net/index.html).

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                • #9
                  Dubya B, As a sworn Peace Officer for the State of Alabama your ignorance of the law is horrifying. You complain because they “show up at our public events telling us they were there to help”. Well heaven forbid people showing up to actually help the Police for a change, but just for FYI one of the duties of Constable is to assist with public events. You complain because he took “it upon himself to deck out his POV with lights and decals” and “decided to start making traffic stops and getting out with us on our traffic stops.” Here please allow me to conduct a small law review with you. Sir, please review Alabama Code Sections: 36-23-5, 15-5-30, & 15-10-1.

                  Section 36-23-5.
                  CONSTABLE S deemed conservators of peace.
                  Every CONSTABLE shall be a conservator of the peace within his county.

                  Section 15-5-30.
                  Authority of peace officer to stop and question.
                  A sheriff or other officer acting as sheriff, his deputy or any CONSTABLE, acting within their respective counties, any marshal, deputy marshal or policeman of any incorporated city or town within the limits of the county or any highway patrolman or state trooper may stop any person abroad in a public place whom he reasonably suspects is committing, has committed or is about to commit a felony or other public offense and may demand of him his name, address and an explanation of his actions.

                  Section 15-10-1.
                  Officers authorized to make arrests.
                  An arrest may be made, under a warrant or without a warrant, by any sheriff or other officer acting as sheriff or his deputy, or by any CONSTABLE, acting within their respective counties, or by any marshal, deputy marshal or policeman of any incorporated city or town within the limits of the county.

                  So, the next time you guys decide to have a “Come to Jesus” meeting with a Lawful state Peace Officer just hope they do not cite you with “Title 13A: Criminal Code - Chapter 10, Article 1 Obstruction of Public Administration”.

                  However, you complain that Constables lack the proper training but the qualifications to become a CONSTABLE are the same as those required to become a SHERIFF and I do not see you complaining about that.

                  The Alabama Constable “STATEMENT OF COMMON PURPOSE” is as follows:
                  “The purpose of the Alabama Constable is to uphold the law fairly and firmly: to prevent crime, to pursue and bring to justice those who break the law; to keep the peace; to protect, help and reassure the community: and to be seen to do all this with integrity, common sense and sound judgment.
                  We must be compassionate, courteous and patient, acting without fear or favor or prejudice to the rights of others. We need to be professional, calm and restrained in the face of violence and apply only that force which is necessary to accomplish our lawful duty.
                  We must strive to reduce the fears of the public and, so far as we can, to reflect their priorities in the action we take”.

                  The Constable serves such duties as service of civil process, warrants, escorts, sporting and civic events, seeking to free officers to target high crime and drug infested areas; Thereby improving Response time for those departments.

                  Yes, obliviously these people are an evil menace.

                  Again, I say that you complain that Constables lack the proper training but when was the last time you or your Department offered to assist with any training? I know some Constables that are trying to be allowed to attend at their own expense the Reserve Peace Officer Training course that most Departments use to train their Reserve Officers (since the position of Constable is part time). Do you care to guess how many Departments have allowed it that I know of? I could count them all on the fingers of one hand, even if I were armless. Yep, none; you guys complain to no end about lack of resources, lack of manpower, and lack of public support. But, when someone like the local Constable tries to assist you how do you respond? By ostracizing them!
                  Elihu
                  Forum Member
                  Last edited by Elihu; 09-06-2014, 06:58 AM.

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                  • #10
                    You seem quite knowledgeable in cutting and pasting Alabama state code, but it's obvious you havent worked as a sworn law enforcement officer with an established agency a day in your life. When a person is elected to a useless office as a constable and begins to establish himself as not only a uniformed law enforcement officer in his county, but begins to "swear in" his force and show up in a municipality to begin "working", I could care less what the regs say, it doesn't fly. If you had any sense of how the real world works when pertaining to law enforcement, there is a process someone like that has to go through to not only let the respective chiefs of police and sheriff know #1, who they are, but establish some line of communication, develop mutual aid agreements, policy and procedures, and good old fashioned working relationships before they just start stopping cars and showing up in unform to work in my county.
                    Since your arrogance and know it all code attitude is readily visible, tell me how any sworn constable, who decides to take it upon himself to start enforcing the law without any type of foundation work and mutual aid agreements in place is going to issue any traffic citations, have any access to ACJIC (sure you know that that is) to run licenses and tags, find civil papers to serve, have a court or jail to accept any of their cases and have a radio system to communicate with each other or call for assistance? I could go on and on. No, you don't because to you in your narrow minded, untrained world, you have the "authority", so screw the rest of it. We have the right to do what the law says, so we are going to do it. What does your 15 code say about that? Having the "authority" and having the ability to do it are two different things that you obviously have no clue about. You showing up with no certification, training, no to mention liability insurance and any type of established relationship with any law enforcement agency puts my officers at risk and my citizens at risk from these untrained and uncertified "deputies".
                    Having a "come to Jesus" meeting like I had is not revoking his God given authority, which you apparently love to shove down people's throats, its about professionalism and responsibility in enforcing the law, for which the contstable and these "deputies" showed a complete not just lack of respect for, but sheer ignorance of. They were so untrained, they had no clue as to what they were supposed to do and if they did do something, how they were supposed to do it, but thats ok right? Because they have the "authority"? Lack of respect for established training and protocol puts my officers at risk, so yes, I will tell them to hit the road. For your information, at the request of the Chief of Police, they were asked to leave the event. Period. If you take that as a slight, then you are proven, as if there was any doubt at this point, that you are as indifferent and indignant to how professional law enforcement in this state works. Arrest us for obstruction of justice? Bahahahahahahahaha!!!! That sir, is THE funniest thing I have read in years!! You actually think that would have flown? Really? Where would he have taken me? No jail would accept any of his prisoners. Would he have written me a non utc? Where would be have gotten that from and what court would hear it? Lastly and most importantly, do you think a District Attorney would have entertained that charge remotely for just one second? Thank you for tipping your hand as to your experience, training and tact, or lack thereof.
                    County deputies and State Troopers have the right, just as a constable does unfortunately, to enforce the law within municipalities, but it doesn't happen. Know why? That is what city police are for. It's called respecting the established guidelines and boundaries, regardless of what your beloved state code says. Sure, if they see a gross criminal act or violation, they are going to intervene regardless of where they are, and to an extent, Id be ok with a contstable doing that, but riding around in a old beat up SUV with nothing else to do but police an area that already has a legislative granted law enforcement agency is just ****ing in the faces of the rest of us.
                    Have I mentioned I could care less what your statutes say? Just making sure.
                    Before you open your mouth and begin to tell me what my agency is whining about concerning manpower or how we reject these "good hearted individuals" who just want to help, who in the hell do you think you are? Its this attitude of no respect and sheer indifferent arrogance by people who have any association with being a constable that give them such a negative reputation with the rest of us in law enforcement. For your information, we have more than enough resources in place without needing an unwanted, uncertified, untrained, uniformed deputy constable showing up in my back yard acting like my city is his responsibillity. If I need help with "escorts and public events", I'll ask the Boy Scouts to help. They are better trained and much more resepctful than any constable I've ever met. Putting untrained "deputies" out with the "powers" of a deputy constable is reckless, irresponsible and will get someone hurt or killed. But I guess that's ok because you have the "authority" right?
                    I could honestly care less about the plights of those who are trying to gain acceptance when they wave the regulations in our faces and say they have a "right" to be there just like we do as opposed to trying to find a responsibility and enforcement nexus that can actually be of use to law enforcement and not attempt to be redundant in the field because local and county agencies have handled those responsibilities for years. Its all a pathetic attempt to try to remain relevant. All your energy could be put to much better use. You mentioning the relevance of the office of constable in the same sentence as the office of Sheriff is both laughable, and a complete insult to the duties of a Sheriff. Constables sir, are no Sheriff.
                    If you want to be a real law enforcement officer, apply to be one. I mean a police officer, a deputy sheriff, a State Trooper, etc. While you are sitting here defending the noble office of constable and giving me your "law lesson", you could be a sworn officer with an established agency. Why don't you? Could you not make the cut or do you just like defending the plight of the constables in this state? Wasted effort and energy.
                    To win an election for an office that no one else runs against just for the benefit of being called a constable is a huge red flag to the rest of the professional law enforcement world. When you run for that office in a county where the Sheriff has handled the responsibilites of constables for decades, what do you expect to happen? Is there a burgeoning need for constables in Alabama law enforcement? Let me give you the answer of a 21 year veteran law enforcement officer, NO. Anyone who enters the campaign for anything pertaining to a constable in my area is a fool to think by being elected to an ancient, out of date office he will automatically be given the keys to an established and respected law enforcement agency and more importantly to internet law professors like yourself, respect.
                    Let me tell you something Mr. Know it All, when one constable shows up with his hat in his hand, has a professional sit down meeting with the Chiefs and Sheriff's and asks "how can we help?" as opposed to people like you who act like you are the red headed step child of law enforcement and DEMAND not only respect but telling people this IS what you will be doing, I will maintain my mindset in that it is a useless office that should have been eliminated years ago. Long gone are the days of just pinning a badge on your chest and going out to work. You need to get your attitude in check, learn about how the real world works, and leave the business of law enforcement to the professionals.
                    DubyaB
                    Playboy Chief of Security
                    Last edited by DubyaB; 09-17-2014, 01:43 PM.
                    Matthew 5:9 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be known as the children of God."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Elihu View Post
                      Dubya B, As a sworn Peace Officer for the State of Alabama your ignorance of the law is horrifying. You complain because they “show up at our public events telling us they were there to help”. Well heaven forbid people showing up to actually help the Police for a change, but just for FYI one of the duties of Constable is to assist with public events. You complain because he took “it upon himself to deck out his POV with lights and decals” and “decided to start making traffic stops and getting out with us on our traffic stops.”

                      ...Again, I say that you complain that Constables lack the proper training but when was the last time you or your Department offered to assist with any training? I know some Constables that are trying to be allowed to attend at their own expense the Reserve Peace Officer Training course that most Departments use to train their Reserve Officers (since the position of Constable is part time). Do you care to guess how many Departments have allowed it that I know of? I could count them all on the fingers of one hand, even if I were armless. Yep, none; you guys complain to no end about lack of resources, lack of manpower, and lack of public support. But, when someone like the local Constable tries to assist you how do you respond? By ostracizing them!
                      Elihu,

                      Heck of an introduction to this forum... DubyaB has been on this site for years, and several of us in AL LE know him personally and have worked with him. On the other hand, who the hell are you? I'll answer my own question, you're some unknown who comes in spouting off to someone you don't know with info any yahoo can Google (that's a pun there for ya) and find out. I suspect you're one of those types who just like to start an internet fight - I am not - but I won't let someone I know as a professional and well-seasoned LEO in this state be bad-mouthed by some unknown farting from the keyboard without any bonafide credentails of knowing what he/she is talking about.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Kimble View Post
                        Elihu,

                        Heck of an introduction to this forum... DubyaB has been on this site for years, and several of us in AL LE know him personally and have worked with him. On the other hand, who the hell are you? I'll answer my own question, you're some unknown who comes in spouting off to someone you don't know with info any yahoo can Google (that's a pun there for ya) and find out. I suspect you're one of those types who just like to start an internet fight - I am not - but I won't let someone I know as a professional and well-seasoned LEO in this state be bad-mouthed by some unknown farting from the keyboard without any bonafide credentails of knowing what he/she is talking about.
                        Ahhh Kimble, you see stupid people too? Good. Just making sure it wasn't just me!
                        DubyaB
                        Playboy Chief of Security
                        Last edited by DubyaB; 09-17-2014, 02:58 PM.
                        Matthew 5:9 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be known as the children of God."

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                        • #13
                          I am in a county in Tennessee where the constable elections are competitive. The constables out here are granted radio access, and in TN the jailer must accept a prisoner with mittimus. It is easy to get a mittimus here from the magistrate as they must hear probable cause cases as they arise. About the only way the jailer cannot accept a prisoner is if they need to go to the hospital.

                          The constable races here are competitive because the constables are expected to serve civil process and assist with service of criminal warrants. However, going back to DuybaB's comments the constables are still expected to forge relationships with the chiefs and the sheriff if they want to be accepted as to be out backing up on calls and stopping cars. These relationships are available to be formed as the nature of the races here are competitive. As they are competitive the caliber of the constable here is higher than as seen in other localities.

                          Now we have those constables that don't do much of anything and then we have those that go out and stop cars and back up officers and deputies. However; before those constables go out stopping cars they build relationships with the deputies (mainly). There is many a night you can hear the local district constable on the radio advising that he is close to the deputy and can back him.

                          I say this but this situation sounds much different from DubyaB's scenario as stated. He has folks that run for office uncontested. They run without access to civil papers; that is where the money is to be made. They run without knowing that they will have access to a radio point and without access to any teletype point. Unless one was smart enough to get friendly with the sheriff during campaign season and campaign with the sheriff, meet the chief and really forge a relationship then I do see the above scenario as a red flag.
                          That's what they do, it's a trailer park.

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                          • #14
                            Hello again Sir,

                            DubyaB, I am glad that you have honored me with a reply, it truly is appreciated and I look forward to being able to continue our debate.

                            "You seem quite knowledgeable in cutting and pasting Alabama state code, but it's obvious you havent worked as a sworn law enforcement officer with an established agency a day in your life". When a person is elected to a useless office as a constable and begins to establish himself as not only a uniformed law enforcement officer in his county, but begins to "swear in" his force and show up in a municipality to begin "working", I could care less what the regs say, it doesn't fly. If you had any sense of how the real world works when pertaining to law enforcement, there is a process someone like that has to go through to not only let the respective chiefs of police and sheriff know #1, who they are, but establish some line of communication, develop mutual aid agreements, policy and procedures, and good old fashioned working relationships before they just start stopping cars and showing up in unform to work in my county".


                            You start your reply by stating "it's obvious you havent worked as a sworn law enforcement officer with an established agency a day in your life." Well, that maybe true as I was only a Reserve Police Officer(3yrs)/Reserve Deputy(6mths) before joining the military and serving as a Military Policeman (9yrs) for a total of 12 years in a Law Enforcement related position but I have been notified by some that Reserve Police Officers and Military Police are not "Real Police" so I will cede that point to you.

                            I am currently employed by the great State of Alabama and have been for 10 years now. I hold two Criminal Justice Degrees (A.A. & B.S.) also a Basic/Advance Law Enforcement Certificates, and a A.A.S Degree in Law Enforcement. I should also state for the reason of full disclosure that I am currently running for the Office of District 51 Constable. Before running for the office I reviewed the History of the Office of Constable, the Alabama State Code, the State Attorney General's posted opinion papers that outline the duties, responsibilities, and limitations of a Constable, and reviewed the related court cases. Do I know all there is to know about Constables and the law? No, but I'm willing to venture that I know more than most on the subject, however even now I'm still learning as your giving me a field prospective that I would not be able to obtain from just simple research.


                            "Since your arrogance and know it all code attitude is readily visible, tell me how any sworn constable, who decides to take it upon himself to start enforcing the law without any type of foundation work and mutual aid agreements in place is going to issue any traffic citations, have any access to ACJIC (sure you know that that is) to run licenses and tags, find civil papers to serve, have a court or jail to accept any of their cases and have a radio system to communicate with each other or call for assistance? I could go on and on. No, you don't because to you in your narrow minded, untrained world, you have the "authority", so screw the rest of it. We have the right to do what the law says, so we are going to do it. What does your 15 code say about that? Having the "authority" and having the ability to do it are two different things that you obviously have no clue about. You showing up with no certification, training, no to mention liability insurance and any type of established relationship with any law enforcement agency puts my officers at risk and my citizens at risk from these untrained and uncertified "deputies"".


                            I do not know about arrogance, but what I do have is some knowledge on the subject. The Criminal Justice field is vast and ranges in duties and responsibilities and as in every complex system there are some areas where overlap is going to happen as in the case of Constables and general Law Enforcement (Conservator of the Peace vs. Officer of the Peace). Constables ARE NOT Law Enforcement Officers in the general sense and have no authority to enforce all the criminal codes. In the strictest sense they are officers of the court charged with service of process, responding to breaches of the peace that are committed in there plain view, and have a legal duty and responsibility to enforce traffic law. Constables can not use blue/red light on their POV's unless they have written permission from the Alabama Director of Public Safety or a Chief of Police. They cannot use LE radio's without written permission from the Alabama Director of Public Safety or from the County Sheriff (to use the SO's). The permission to use the ACJIC has never been given since there is no constable originating agency identifier (ORI) code for use in the system as Constables do not enforce criminal code. Some of the Sheriffs that were allowing the Constables in their counties to use there radios were also allowing the Constables to access the ACJIC but have since been ordered to cease and desist by ACJIC personnel. I can give you all the AG file numbers if you want them, they are more fun to read then case files but only marginally. There are two types of Deputy Constables: a Code of Alabama, section 36-21-40 Deputy Constable, which must become APOST certified within 9 months of appointment, and a Ala. Acts No.45, 104 (1920) Deputy Constable, which is simply put a "Process Server" with all the legal authority held by any Security Officer, AKA: Citizen (AG 86-00032, AG 2003-088, AG 2007-90). Act 45 Deputies are only authorized in counties that have a population of more than 200,000. However a Constable may only appoint a Deputy if local legislation exists authorizing it (AG 82-00518).


                            "Having a "come to Jesus" meeting like I had is not revoking his God given authority, which you apparently love to shove down people's throats, its about professionalism and responsibility in enforcing the law, for which the contstable and these "deputies" showed a complete not just lack of respect for, but sheer ignorance of. They were so untrained, they had no clue as to what they were supposed to do and if they did do something, how they were supposed to do it, but thats ok right? Because they have the "authority"? Lack of respect for established training and protocol puts my officers at risk, so yes, I will tell them to hit the road. For your information, at the request of the Chief of Police, they were asked to leave the event. Period. If you take that as a slight, then you are proven, as if there was any doubt at this point, that you are as indifferent and indignant to how professional law enforcement in this state works. Arrest us for obstruction of justice? Bahahahahahahahaha!!!! That sir, is THE funniest thing I have read in years!! You actually think that would have flown? Really? Where would he have taken me? No jail would accept any of his prisoners. Would he have written me a non utc? Where would be have gotten that from and what court would hear it? Lastly and most importantly, do you think a District Attorney would have entertained that charge remotely for just one second? Thank you for tipping your hand as to your experience, training and tact, or lack thereof.
                            County deputies and State Troopers have the right, just as a constable does unfortunately, to enforce the law within municipalities, but it doesn't happen. Know why? That is what city police are for. It's called respecting the established guidelines and boundaries, regardless of what your beloved state code says. Sure, if they see a gross criminal act or violation, they are going to intervene regardless of where they are, and to an extent, Id be ok with a contstable doing that, but riding around in a old beat up SUV with nothing else to do but police an area that already has a legislative granted law enforcement agency is just ****ing in the faces of the rest of us".



                            Sad but true, many Constables are not prepared for the execution of their duties and I agree with you they need more training . Your chief complaint to date as I have been able to understand it, is based upon you saying "Having the "authority" and having the ability to do it are two different things" that Constables have the "authority" but not the training to perform their assigned duties. But, what do you suggest be done about it? I have talked with some local Constables that claim to have requested, even offered to pay for training from the local Police Agencies and have been denied due to the fact that Constables are not Law Enforcement. However, full APOST certification would be a training mismatch for what is generally speaking an Officer of the Court whose primary duty is serving process, with a limited authority to enforce some public safety laws, but right now the system is set up for all or nothing. I would like to see all the Constables at the very lest complete the APOST Reserve Course. When I completed my Reserve Officer training we had a Constable in my class but that was in a different State, but I do not see why it can not be done over here Alabama. As for the Constable policing "an area that already has a legislative granted law enforcement agency" this really should not be an issue with as much multi-jurisdictional overlap that exist today. However, the Attorney General has stated and the court system of Alabama has ruled (Mobile County Constable Regulatory Board v. Stewart) that Constables ARE NOT "Law Enforcement" Officers as defined by the Peace Officer Training and Standards Act. A Constable does not enforce criminal laws (AG 90-00136), and a Constable is not authorized to conduct criminal investigations (AG 93-00197). What they can do while in the performance of their duties is make an arrest for a crime that occurs in plan view that they witness (Not really all that dissimilar from a Citizens Arrest but with more authority), and they have been given the responsibility to enforce the traffic code but again this is an event that happens in plan view. As I have already stated a Constable is basically an officer of the court those primary duty is to serve process but they have a limited power to enforce Public Safety laws. They also have a few odd and end duties that they can perform to assist the Local Sheriff if needed such as prisoner transport from one county jail to another, be an escort, and work a detail such as provide security for an event. They also have the power to act as Forest Wardens to assist the County Forester.
                            An Alabama Constable is an interesting criminal justice construct (being that they are a jack of all trades, master of none type of position) that I truly believe with some correct training could become an extremely useful, highly flexible member of the Criminal Justice Community.


                            As for what was intended by the “Title 13A: Criminal Code - Chapter 10, Article 1 Obstruction of Public Administration” reference is the same that goes for all Law Enforcement. If you stop a Constable from performing his legally required duties you can be held accountable just as if you had intervened in the duties of a Police Officer, Sheriff's Deputy, or State Trooper. You can say such a thing would never happen but I have witnessed Law Enforcement arrest off duty cops for all kinds of reasons. The law does not prohibit it from happening just because one may be "on duty" at the time they breached the law. But normally it just results in a complaint being filed against the officer. You would never dare see a State Trooper make a traffic stop, then go tell him that he does not have to right to do that in your city, grab the citation, tear it up, and release the violator. I have read a report where that is just what is said to have happened to a Constable and if true is just appalling behavior on the part of the Peace Officer. If it had been a Trooper, and not a Constable we both know it would not have ended well, a Chapter 10, Article 1 would have been the lest of the interfering officers problems.


                            "Have I mentioned I could care less what your statutes say? Just making sure".


                            I am sorry to hear that since you have made it your life's work and have sworn an oath to enforce them.


                            "Before you open your mouth and begin to tell me what my agency is whining about concerning manpower or how we reject these "good hearted individuals" who just want to help, who in the hell do you think you are? Its this attitude of no respect and sheer indifferent arrogance by people who have any association with being a constable that give them such a negative reputation with the rest of us in law enforcement. For your information, we have more than enough resources in place without needing an unwanted, uncertified, untrained, uniformed deputy constable showing up in my back yard acting like my city is his responsibillity. If I need help with "escorts and public events", I'll ask the Boy Scouts to help. They are better trained and much more resepctful than any constable I've ever met. Putting untrained "deputies" out with the "powers" of a deputy constable is reckless, irresponsible and will get someone hurt or killed. But I guess that's ok because you have the "authority" right"?

                            It is good to hear that your Police Department "have more than enough resources" so " we reject these "good hearted individuals". However. many departments across the state are at minimum manning. Even here in Jefferson County the Sheriff's Department and local municipalities have been forced to lay off and reduce coverage. My brother is a Deputy in a rural county and he has told me that they only have about 6 deputies to cover the entire county on his shift. So, are you going to say that because your Department is so well funded that the other departments should not be able to use Constables for what really amounts to increased Security?


                            "I could honestly care less about the plights of those who are trying to gain acceptance when they wave the regulations in our faces and say they have a "right" to be there just like we do as opposed to trying to find a responsibility and enforcement nexus that can actually be of use to law enforcement and not attempt to be redundant in the field because local and county agencies have handled those responsibilities for years. Its all a pathetic attempt to try to remain relevant. All your energy could be put to much better use. You mentioning the relevance of the office of constable in the same sentence as the office of Sheriff is both laughable, and a complete insult to the duties of a Sheriff. Constables sir, are no Sheriff".

                            I agree with you Constables need to "find a responsibility and enforcement nexus that can actually be of use to law enforcement" However I must point out again that Constables are NOT Law Enforcement but they have some limited Law Enforcement authority in the area of Public Safety. The position of Constable is the oldest Keeper of the Peace position in the nation dating back to the time the nation was colonized, so it would be the other "local and county agencies" that are redundant since they are performing a duty that was already being performed by the Constables Office. "Constables sir, are no Sheriff". I never said they were just that the law requires that Constables meet the same requirements as a Sheriff to hold the office.


                            "If you want to be a real law enforcement officer, apply to be one. I mean a police officer, a deputy sheriff, a State Trooper, etc. While you are sitting here defending the noble office of constable and giving me your "law lesson", you could be a sworn officer with an established agency. Why don't you? Could you not make the cut or do you just like defending the plight of the constables in this state? Wasted effort and energy.
                            To win an election for an office that no one else runs against just for the benefit of being called a constable is a huge red flag to the rest of the professional law enforcement world. When you run for that office in a county where the Sheriff has handled the responsibilites of constables for decades, what do you expect to happen? Is there a burgeoning need for constables in Alabama law enforcement? Let me give you the answer of a 21 year veteran law enforcement officer, NO. Anyone who enters the campaign for anything pertaining to a constable in my area is a fool to think by being elected to an ancient, out of date office he will automatically be given the keys to an established and respected law enforcement agency and more importantly to internet law professors like yourself, respect".



                            I wish to serve in an interesting "Criminal Justice" position not necessarily a "Law Enforcement" position. The Criminal Justice system is made of many parts, you need Law Enforcement, Detention, Judicial Process (Which as a server of process a Constable is a part of), and Corrections. Without any of these parts the system will not function. The Constable has become a kind of hybrid that sets between Law Enforcement and Judicial Process. It is all of neither, but part of both, and I find it interesting.


                            "Let me tell you something Mr. Know it All, when one constable shows up with his hat in his hand, has a professional sit down meeting with the Chiefs and Sheriff's and asks "how can we help?" as opposed to people like you who act like you are the red headed step child of law enforcement and DEMAND not only respect but telling people this IS what you will be doing, I will maintain my mindset in that it is a useless office that should have been eliminated years ago. Long gone are the days of just pinning a badge on your chest and going out to work. You need to get your attitude in check, learn about how the real world works, and leave the business of law enforcement to the professionals".


                            I will tell you what Sir, when I am elected Constable I will do just that. It is well past time that these two parts of the system get together and work out their differences. It is time for the Constables ignorance of the law come to an end, and that their training issues be addressed.


                            You do offer some good recommendations such as:

                            •Establish a line of communication with local agencies.

                            •Develop mutual aid agreements.

                            •Develop policy and procedures that conform as much as practical to established interagency protocols.

                            All of this can be summed up as follows: The State Law gives the Constables the authority to perform their duties but leaves their training up to each respective County, and each County in turn say that the State Law does not mandate training for Constables so they are not going to be responsible for the unnecessary expense. So, perhaps one way out of this dilemma would be for the Sheriffs Department to inter into a MOA/MAA which each Constable as they are elected that says something to the effect of "We will provide you with the necessary training but in return you have to perform X services for my Department". This way it would be a win/win the Constables would receive training that is accepted by the Criminal Justice community and the Departments would receive extra man power should they require it or at lest some surge capability.


                            I am looking forward to working with experienced Professionals as yourself and perhaps though more dialogs such as this one a satisfactory solution can be found and implemented. I am sorry that you have had some negative interactions with Constables in the past but perhaps with your help and the help of people like you the Constable system can be reformed to become a more useful Criminal Justice tool.
                            Thank you again for your field prospective, it has been good to talk with you.
                            Elihu
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                            Last edited by Elihu; 04-30-2015, 07:00 PM.

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                              Really Kimble?

                              You are aware that this is a open forum for all Criminal Justice professionals to discuss various topics? DubyaB is an adult and more then capable of holding his own in a debate or conversation. The fact your so "sensitive" and easily upset because someone wishes to discuss another members stated position on a subject is just sad.

                              Criminal Justice members, especially Law Enforcement should not be afraid to speak their minds but likewise they should be ready to defend there position on a subject. If you read DubyaB's initial post that I responded to, it sounded as if he was just blasting his local Constable because he dared showed up and offered to help but in his response to me he clarified that it was not the offer to help that he had a problem with but the lack of training of most Constables and in that I agree with DuyaB. I quoted the State Law because many Law Enforcement Officers that I have talked with really are not aware of what a Constable can or cannot do (to be honest most don't really care) and at first I thought DubyaB's distain was a misunderstanding of what the duties of Constable were but now I know it's a training issue and as I have already said I agree with him, they do need more training.

                              If you wish to join in on our conversation then do so but you are disrespecting DubyaB by acting as if he is incapable of stating his own opinion without you there to "Help" him.
                              Elihu
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                              Last edited by Elihu; 04-19-2015, 03:31 PM.

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