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    Can anyone tell me how an aussie bloke can become a copper in england or the us. My parents are english citizens (good east end blood from leyton) they have not become australians I was born over here so any info in regards to this would be greatly appreaciated.

    cheers

    Skip08

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    Basically fill in a passport application from your local British consulate, you should get one , no problem.
    Then look at different UK Police service websites and apply away.

    As for the USA , I can't help you.

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    • #3
      The following link should give you all the information you need.

      http://www.police.uk/default.asp

      Providing you have the right to remain permanently in the UK, your citizenship would not be a problem. I would imagine that you would hold dual nationality? In any case you are a Commonwealth citizen which makes applying for residency easier if you are not a British, Irish or European Union citizen.

      In my Division we have amoungst other nationalities, Australians serving as police officers.


      Lobster.
      Last edited by Sgt Lobster; 09-27-2005, 05:24 PM.

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      • #4
        Most US agencies require citizenship. Some allow you to join IF (big IF) you have a "Resident Alien Identification Card (formerly a 'green card'). The trick is, you cannot get the green card unless you have a means to support yourself in this country - you have to have a job!

        If you have some special skills, not available in the US job force, a department could sponsor you for your Green Card with the promise of a job. This was done a few years ago, for Royal Hong Kong Police who spoke Chinese and had investigated Tongs. San Francisco PD hired a number of them, LAPD too, IIRC.

        Speaking The Queen's English does not qualify as a specialized skill.

        Check some of the older threads in this area for more information.
        "A man who has nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the existing of better men than himself."
        John Stuart Mill

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        • #5
          British Migrants Chasing Aussie Dream

          Originally posted by Skip08
          Can anyone tell me how an aussie bloke can become a copper in england..........
          Jeez Skip08, from what I'm reading, you're going to be caught in the rush from people coming the other way.

          Here is a report courtesy of AAP News Service and this doesn't mention the Websites that have Forums dedicated to discussions on Migration to Australia and there is even a Website dedicated to UK Police Officers wishing to migrate to Australia.

          In the final scene of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Butch tries to persuade his partner to move to Australia.

          As the characters face imminent death, Butch's reasoning is that Australians speak English, the beaches are great and the banks are easy.

          It's a long way from fictional Bolivia to real-life London, but prospective migrants had much the same things on their mind as they queued up outside Australia House for a migration recruiting drive.

          Except for the bit about robbing banks, hopefully.

          The long line of English people snaking down The Strand were attending a Skills Expo put on by Australian employers trying to plug skill gaps that in the Australian workforce.

          Those in the queue may have been in suits and ties and clutching CVs, but they were imagining themselves in cossies on sun-drenched beaches on weekends rather than pacing wards or fixing cars from nine to five.

          The exhibitors and the job seekers had in mind lifestyle more than dollars as they squeezed through the crowded exhibits.

          Robert, a London specialist electrician, had received confirmation that the Victorian government will sponsor his visa application, and was on the lookout at the Expo for work.

          "It's mainly for the children, it's really for them that we wanted to do this," Robert said.

          "We've got three children and I don't like the way this country is going.

          "I wanted to have a better quality of life, and I just worry about the way society is going in this country."

          On a lighter note, he is also a big cricket fan and wants to get in his gloating while the opportunity exists.

          Darin, completing a PhD in medical research, was also smitten with Australia's lifestyle.

          "My wife and I have been to Sydney and in Queensland and absolutely loved it," Darin said.

          "I grew up in California, so it reminded me of all the good parts of home.

          "The whole thing, the lifestyle, the weather, it's great, and professionally, moving to Australia would be great."

          Sharin Taplin, a consultant trying to lure GPs and health professionals to Port Augusta in South Australia, summed up what the prospective migrants were looking for.

          "They want to practice what they're qualified in and they just want to get out of London," Ms Taplin said.

          "They're just looking for a sea-change a lot of them, somewhere where they can be happy and free and have that relaxed lifestyle that they hear about.

          "They can buy a really nice house in Port Augusta for $120,000. What are they going to get for that in London? A bedroom?"

          Maybe in the outer suburbs.

          The Australian government is seeking an additional 20,000 skilled migrants in this financial year, above the usual intake of 70-80,000.

          The jobs on offer at the Expo were largely in the medical profession and trades, taking in everything from obstetricians and speech pathologists to brickies and hairdressers.

          "The difficulty is finding Australian GPs and specialists that want to live in (Port Augusta) - they all want to live in Cairns, where the beaches and palm trees are," Ms Taplin said.

          Terry Hayes, who was trying to attract motor mechanics and technicians to Perth car dealerships, said his company also had struggled for two years to find experienced and qualified staff as many blue-collar workers were lured to WA's mining and building industries.

          "Trying to find experienced technicians in Australia is virtually impossible," Mr Hayes said.

          "A lot of the people here are after the lifestyle that Western Australia, and all of Australia, presents.

          "Lifestyle's driving a lot of people, and that's always been the case, but this is the first time that people have got together with this Expo.

          "We're quite excited, there's a lot of people coming through."

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          • #6
            Trust me Skip, the grass is not really greener on the other side. I have relations and a number of friends in policing in the UK, Ive been on a few ride alongs and completed a training course in the UK.

            I think you will find there are more of them wanting to come here then the other way around.

            Winter in the UK is not fun, it makes it one of the most miserable places on gods earth.

            Dave

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DaveNT
              Winter in the UK is not fun, it makes it one of the most miserable places on gods earth.

              Dave
              True the weather isn't brilliant, but it's not that bad.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bobbycop
                True the weather isn't brilliant, but it's not that bad.
                Mate, not meant as a put down, Ive been to the UK several times, My family is from Scotland and my wife still has family living in UK. That said Ive always enjoyed my visits in the warmer months, but having lived the past 28 years in the tropics I find the onset of winter in the UK the pits, time to pack up and go home quick. I think our English friends and relations would love to join us!!

                Dave

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                • #9
                  Sleuth is partially right. You don't need specialist skills to be sponsored by a US LE dept, you need only prove that there are no US citizens available to work for the dept. This isn't easy or cheap but neither is it impossible. You don't indicate whether you are an Aussie cop. If you are NOT, then you have no chance of being sponsored by a US LE dept. The only other ways here are via family, marriage or the green card lottery.
                  It is not the critic who counts...

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                  • #10
                    Skip08

                    Originally posted by Skip08
                    to all

                    Can anyone tell me how an aussie bloke can become a copper in england or the us. My parents are english citizens (good east end blood from leyton) they have not become australians I was born over here so any info in regards to this would be greatly appreaciated.

                    cheers

                    Skip08
                    If you look into the larger department in the us a green card or what ever it is called now will most likely be all you need to be hired. New York, Boston, LA, and Chicago would be a good place to start. Here in Chicago you can start the hiring process with out being a citzen, but i believe you have to either start the process of becomming a citizen by the first day of hire, or you need to have become one before your first day. The web sites for the departments should let you know.

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                    • #11
                      Wind-city, that's a nice idea, but it takes years to even qualify for a Resident Alien Identification Card.
                      "A man who has nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the existing of better men than himself."
                      John Stuart Mill

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                      • #12
                        Actually Wind-City the complete opposite is true. Large agencies like those you cited have no problems attracting local applicants. If they can hire then they cannot sponsor him for a job as there are plenty of US citizens to take the jobs. He needs to look into smaller depts with high hiring standards (degree requirement etc) which cannot hire local people. The other flaw in your plan is that NY and Boston cannot hire non-citizens by state law.
                        It is not the critic who counts...

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                        • #13
                          Exchange

                          Couldnt an Australian officer go on an exchange program with an English force and see how he likes it first?

                          I know we were told that the exchange program is Australia, Canada, N Ireland and mainland UK. Its feasible that our force will be included in some form of exchange system however the pilot scheme with the PSNI uis only starting.

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                          • #14
                            Skip08,

                            My firts post:
                            Its to bad we can't switch jobs for a bit. I am just about to send off my application for the Queensland Police. My father is a Yank and my mum was Australian. So I have the dual citizenship.

                            I agree with slueth, most agencies in the US require US citizenship.



                            Originally posted by Skip08
                            to all

                            Can anyone tell me how an aussie bloke can become a copper in england or the us. My parents are english citizens (good east end blood from leyton) they have not become australians I was born over here so any info in regards to this would be greatly appreaciated.

                            cheers

                            Skip08

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