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    Recently visited Niagara Falls and crossed the bridge into Canada. The Canadian immigration/customs official kept asking questions so I finally told her I was a US cop.
    I thought that would have settled it but now she started asking questions whether I had a gun or mace on me etc. When I told her I wasn't carrying (I was honest) she started asking trick questions like "Do you usually travel unarmed...etc"?
    My point is: why don't the Candadians focus on parolees, drug couriers and other crooks instead of worrying about a cop being possibly armed? I'm assuming this has something to do with their naive socialist system where the cops are seen as the problem, but that's another discussion.
    Any Canadian cops here wanna address this?

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    Because you have no right to carry armed in their country?
    For the cops out there: You are an adult. If you want to write someone, write them. If you don't want to write someone, then don't write them.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bastogne1 View Post
      Recently visited Niagara Falls and crossed the bridge into Canada. The Canadian immigration/customs official kept asking questions so I finally told her I was a US cop.
      I thought that would have settled it but now she started asking questions whether I had a gun or mace on me etc. When I told her I wasn't carrying (I was honest) she started asking trick questions like "Do you usually travel unarmed...etc"?
      My point is: why don't the Candadians focus on parolees, drug couriers and other crooks instead of worrying about a cop being possibly armed? I'm assuming this has something to do with their naive socialist system where the cops are seen as the problem, but that's another discussion.
      Any Canadian cops here wanna address this?
      How about because it isnt unreasonable for a cop to want to carry their weapon. Before HR218 how many cops carried there weapon into other states despite knwing how states like NJ, WI and others might act. Its like a mexican cop getting ticked off because he cant carry in the US. One would think that we as cops who generally take the conservative route tell people on the street....."its the law" shouldnt be as surprised when someone else focuses on the minor stuff. When the citizen tells you that you should be out "chasing murderers and rapists instead of harassing good people",,,,,
      You cant arrest me...I know my Commandments!!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bastogne1 View Post
        Recently visited Niagara Falls and crossed the bridge into Canada. The Canadian immigration/customs official kept asking questions so I finally told her I was a US cop. I thought that would have settled it but now she started asking questions whether I had a gun or mace on me etc. When I told her I wasn't carrying (I was honest) she started asking trick questions like "Do you usually travel unarmed...etc"?
        My point is: why don't the Candadians focus on parolees, drug couriers and other crooks instead of worrying about a cop being possibly armed? I'm assuming this has something to do with their naive socialist system where the cops are seen as the problem, but that's another discussion.
        Any Canadian cops here wanna address this?
        Customs normally ask questions to all who are entering/leaving a country. The part where you ID'd yourself as a US cop....doesn't mean anything to them.

        When I exchanged my CDL for a NY DL..they wanted several types of ID to make up 6 pts...I gave them my passport, birth cert, SS # and my police ID.....she handed me back my ID and said..uhh that's not worth any points on the point chart.

        My guess was you basically flunked their "attitude" test......and being a cop you know how that goes!
        This profession is not for people looking for positive reinforcement from the public. Very often it can be a thankless job and you can't desire accolades, because those are not usually forthcoming. Just do your job to the best of your ability and live with the decisions you've made.

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        • #5
          My issue isn't with their right to sovereignty and having their own restrictions etc. I respect that. That's why I wasn't carrying in the first place.
          My issue is with the amount of time she wasted "investigating" a fellow officer who was with his wife and children. How many child molesters and drug runners went by during that time? If she's that good at wasting valuable energy and resources then I'm sure she'll make lieutenant in no time...
          Sidebar: HR218 was long overdue. Even prior to HR218 I remember coming into contact with out of state cops. I knew they were carrying. Why in the world would I have a problem with that. I was working in a rural environment at that time and for all practical purposes they were my closest backup.

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          • #6
            I don't really get why you're so upset about it. Maybe she had a bunch of American cops previously try to get guns in and they are concerned about it. Whats with the drug runners and child molester comment? Doesn't mean they can't worry about other things too.
            For the cops out there: You are an adult. If you want to write someone, write them. If you don't want to write someone, then don't write them.

            "Jeff, you are the best cop on this board"-Anonymous Post

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            • #7
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bastogne1 View Post
                My issue isn't with their right to sovereignty and having their own restrictions etc. I respect that. That's why I wasn't carrying in the first place.
                My issue is with the amount of time she wasted "investigating" a fellow officer who was with his wife and children. How many child molesters and drug runners went by during that time? If she's that good at wasting valuable energy and resources then I'm sure she'll make lieutenant in no time...Sidebar: HR218 was long overdue. Even prior to HR218 I remember coming into contact with out of state cops. I knew they were carrying. Why in the world would I have a problem with that. I was working in a rural environment at that time and for all practical purposes they were my closest backup.
                You may feel she was wasting her time.....SHE was doing her job....if she didn't....then I'm sure we would have heard how lacks the female custom official was up in Canada. Damn if she did or didn't.

                You're starting to sound like the peeps who show up here and bitch about...why are you stopping me...why don't you catch the real criminals? And who is to say that everyone else in line didn't get the same questions?

                Fellow officer? Not in their eyes...you are a individual atttempting to cross into or out of their country.

                HR218 only pertains to the USofA. Any interaction with LEO's carrying within the USofA is perfectly fine....We are talking about another country.
                Last edited by deputy x 2; 05-02-2011, 01:13 PM.
                This profession is not for people looking for positive reinforcement from the public. Very often it can be a thankless job and you can't desire accolades, because those are not usually forthcoming. Just do your job to the best of your ability and live with the decisions you've made.

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                • #9
                  OKAY, let's rumble a little among STREET COPS, if there are any here. Just to make a distinction with most desk cops, climbers and other politically correct types.... All in good spirits, of course.
                  Maybe I didn't do a very good job sketching the situation. Maybe my report writing skills since retirement haven't exactly improved. For obvious reasons I didn't wanna go into too much detail to begin with.
                  Maybe she didn't like my ugly grey balding head. I don't know. I can share she wasn't half badlooking I must admit. ;-)
                  Back before you 21st century internet "laptop cops" came along our FTO's would teach us something called BASIC COMMON PROFESSIONAL COURTESY. I'm sure that Canadian customs woman never heard of professional courtesy. Then again, I'm pretty sure she never was an old fashioned basic STREET COP to begin with. I'm not sure what the "LAPTOP FTO"S" teach these days. I hope someone (probably a litle older) here gets my point about common professional courtesy.
                  Wasn't my intention to start a brawl here. But we're all big boys and girls...I would hope. Just my 2 cents and I'll leave it at that.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bastogne1 View Post
                    OKAY, let's rumble a little among STREET COPS, if there are any here. Just to make a distinction with most desk cops, climbers and other politically correct types.... All in good spirits, of course.
                    Maybe I didn't do a very good job sketching the situation. Maybe my report writing skills since retirement haven't exactly improved. For obvious reasons I didn't wanna go into too much detail to begin with.
                    Maybe she didn't like my ugly grey balding head. I don't know. I can share she wasn't half badlooking I must admit. ;-)
                    Back before you 21st century internet "laptop cops" came along our FTO's would teach us something called BASIC COMMON PROFESSIONAL COURTESY. I'm sure that Canadian customs woman never heard of professional courtesy. Then again, I'm pretty sure she never was an old fashioned basic STREET COP to begin with. I'm not sure what the "LAPTOP FTO"S" teach these days. I hope someone (probably a litle older) here gets my point about common professional courtesy.
                    Wasn't my intention to start a brawl here. But we're all big boys and girls...I would hope. Just my 2 cents and I'll leave it at that.
                    Thanks for visiting my profile page...all in good spirits of course.

                    Since you just drove up you have no idea who has street experience and who doesn't...who is LE and who isn't. Yes there are plenty of street cops here.

                    You asked a question...you got several answers. Apparently everyone else doesn't see it your way. The female customs official is not a street cop and probably never ever wanted to be a street cop. She is also from another country.

                    Yes there is such a thing as professional courtesy amongst LEO's. Again attitude is everything....and being an "OG" you should know it's a privilege not a right.

                    Bottom line is she did her job....


                    PS.....you aren't the only "OG" here!
                    This profession is not for people looking for positive reinforcement from the public. Very often it can be a thankless job and you can't desire accolades, because those are not usually forthcoming. Just do your job to the best of your ability and live with the decisions you've made.

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                    • #11
                      Sorry, Bastogne1, but, unfortunately, a LOT of USA LEO/PO, both still active but not on official duty and retired, have, over the years, "forgotten" to leave their handguns back at their station, home, or at the US CBP post before crossing into The Great White North, and been caught doing so. Further, unfortunately, it IS a criminal offence, and the USA LEO/PO *have to be* processed. USA off-duty and retired carry laws end at the border (and going from the lower 48 to Alaska does NOT count).

                      Fortunately, I no longer have to worry about being involved in such matters, but my son (RCMP) does, as does a daughter of one of my cousins (CBSA), and that is just how it is. Canadian LEO/PO have little, if any, need to be armed off-duty, so non-Canadian LEO/PO have NO need.

                      Please, come up, visit, and relax, but be COMPLETELY off the clock and in Condition: white; guns not required.
                      #32936 - Royal Canadian Mounted Police - 1975-10-27 / 2010-12-29
                      Proud Dad of #54266 - RCMP - 2007-02-12 to date
                      RCMP Veterans Association - Regina Division member
                      Mounted Police Professional Association of Canada - Associate (Retired) member
                      "Smile" - no!

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                      • #12
                        Also, keep in mind that in Canada (i could be wrong, but been told by a Canadian officer who was attending firearms training with me) doesn't even trust most of their cops carrying while off duty, so what makes you think they will honor or like you to carry in their country? When in Rome, do as Romans do. When I visited Canada many moons ago, inspecting officer asked me how much money I had on me and I told her the amount and then she asked me if I had a credit card, name of the friend I was visiting and so on. I was on their soil, entering into their ground, so I didn't mind answering questions.

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                        • #13
                          I was on a cruise.......that stopped in Vancouver, BC. An all call went over the PA for a list of people that needed to check in with the front desk.....apparently they had something in their background...and were told they couldn't get off the ship! Yikes!!

                          Note to self: when crossing the border....present your document...answer their questions with a yes or no...don't get into details or provide additional information that may delay your entry.
                          Last edited by deputy x 2; 05-04-2011, 11:58 AM.
                          This profession is not for people looking for positive reinforcement from the public. Very often it can be a thankless job and you can't desire accolades, because those are not usually forthcoming. Just do your job to the best of your ability and live with the decisions you've made.

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                          • #14
                            Again, seems that this DEMAND for "professional courtesy" is some kind of East Coast thing. You EARN the courtesy, you don't get it automatically. And yeah, I'm an old school cop. Get over yourself. How many child molesters and drug runners got by while the OFFICER had to deal with you and your ****ing attitude? Your fault if any.
                            Free Deke O'Mally!!!

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                            • #15
                              You got off easy. I got to spend 3 hours at a checkpoint N of Seattle simply because I have a TX DL and the 2 people that tore apart the pickup and all our luggage were certain I had to have had a gun in there somewhere. (hint: i didn't)

                              They asked a lot of nosy questions too. They were polite about it and the questions they asked you were probably a subset of those they asked me and my friend.

                              On thing I learned from another friend is that anyone with even a single DUI (regardless of how long ago) will be turned back at the border unless they present their certificate of rehabilitation (or whatever it's called). His DUI was more than 20 years ago but he has to have the form on him all the time he's in Canookiland.
                              Last edited by Bounce; 05-04-2011, 09:03 AM.

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