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    I thought you might be interested in an article from a French newspaper that a friend who is a retired French police officer sent me. With luck it will scare the French into action. The translation is not 100% reliable, as I do not speak French all that well.

    Please note that this "article" is a reprint in the journal of a right-wing French political party of a much older interview, and the events described did not come to pass.

    Roubaix: First Occupied French Town?

    Here is what Mohamed Sabaoui, young sociologist at the Catholic University of Lille, of Algerian origin, naturalized French, is saying:

    “Our peaceful invasion of Europe is not yet finished. We intend to operate in all countries simultaneously. As you put us more and more in place, it would be stupid for us not to take advantage of that. We will be your Trojan horse. You have become hostages of the human rights that you proclaim. Thus, for example, if you were to make remarks in Algeria or Saudi Arabia to me like I am making to you, you would, in the best case, be arrested immediately. You other Frenchmen are not imposing respect on our young. Why would they respect a country that capitulates to them? One respects only that which one fears. When we have power, you will not again see a single Arab set fire to a car or target a store. The Arabs know the inexorable punishment that the thief deserves, the amputation of the hand.”

    In another interview, Mohamed Sabaoui said:

    “The laws of your Republic do not conform to those of the Koran, and should not be imposed on Muslims, who can only be governed by Sharia law. We are therefore going to seize the power that is our due. We will start in Roubaix, which is in currently a town with a Muslim population of over 60%. After the future municipal elections, we will mobilize our strength, and the next mayor will be Muslim. After negotiation with the state and the region, we will declare Roubaix an independent Muslim enclave, and we will impose Sharia (the law of God) on all the inhabitants.

    “The Chirstian minority will have the status of dhimmis [non-Muslims with fewer rights]. This will be a category in which you will be able to buy back your rights in exchange for a tax. Some tens of thousands of Frenchmen have embraced Islam of their own free will, why not the Christians of Roubaix? Today at the University of Lille, we are putting in place brigades of change, charged with converting the recalcitrant Christians or Jews who are residents of Roubaix, to make them join our religion, because that is what God wants! If we are the strongest, that is what God wanted. We will not have the constraints of the Christian obligation to provide assistance to orphans, the feeble and handicapped. To the contrary, we will be able to crush them if they are an obstacle, especially if they are infidels.”
    Last edited by DAL; 03-22-2008, 05:45 PM.
    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
    Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

  • #2
    I think it's too late for France, let alone Europe. They want too badly to be nice and accommodate people from the rest of the world that I'm afraid they're giving up their national identity.

    It's only going to get worse...
    “The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed."

    "You go for a man hard enough and fast enough, he don't have time to think about how many's with him; he thinks about himself, and how he might get clear of that wrath that's about to set down on him."

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    • #3
      Roubaix is hardly a suburb of Paris, being 140 miles to the north of that city. Sabaoui's comments are apparently quoted from "Le Paradoxe de Roubaix" by Phillipe Aziz, published in 1996. Sabaoui was not a sociologist at the time, he was a student, a third-year sociology major.

      Four years later, an article in The Atlantic called Roubaix "The Harlem of France". Looks like the French screwed the place up before the Algerians got there.

      Anyway, Sabaoui had his utopian vision in 1996. What's he doing now? Driving a cab, waiting tables?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Seventy2002 View Post
        Roubaix is hardly a suburb of Paris, being 140 miles to the north of that city. Sabaoui's comments are apparently quoted from "Le Paradoxe de Roubaix" by Phillipe Aziz, published in 1996. Sabaoui was not a sociologist at the time, he was a student, a third-year sociology major.

        Four years later, an article in The Atlantic called Roubaix "The Harlem of France". Looks like the French screwed the place up before the Algerians got there.

        Anyway, Sabaoui had his utopian vision in 1996. What's he doing now? Driving a cab, waiting tables?
        Thanks for the info. You are certainly correct about the location of Roubaix. It is near Lille. My error.

        The article seems to have been republished in France on more than one occasion. Much of the material was published recently at http://www.les-identitaires.com/aff_...d=1156&idrub=1, with a date of February 2007. It says that Sabaoui is 25 and a student at the Catholic University of Lille, but that seems to be outdated. The version I have, which has excerpts, is undated but was published in "Le National Radical" No. 11. It is the journal of the French National Radical Party, which is considered right-wing, and was founded in 2001.

        This makes me wonder whether this is being used as a scare tactic. Sabaoui does not seem to be mentioned in recent publications on the Internet. With luck, he is gone.
        Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
        Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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        • #5
          Uhh, yup, Europe is screwed. They did it to themselves and we are not far behind if a Obama/Hillary wins in November.

          And the award for the the third largest muslim city in the world goes to...................Berlin!! That's scary, and I've been there so I can assure you it's true!

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          • #6
            A close friend of mine who has family in Germany has been told by family that one of the effects of the rising problems with the Jihadists is a resurgance of the National Socialist Party......isnt that special....

            Its only going to get alot worse.....hope it gets confined to Europe.....
            The posts on this forum by this poster are of his personal opinion, and his personal opinion alone

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            • #7
              Letting the French and British colonies in the middle east and north Africa have their independence were huge mistakes. Some cultures are not ready for self-rule.
              Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. - Ronald Reagan

              I don't think It'll happen in the US because we don't trust our government. We are a country of skeptics, raised by skeptics, founded by skeptics. - Amaroq

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ateamer View Post
                Letting the French and British colonies in the middle east and north Africa have their independence were huge mistakes. Some cultures are not ready for self-rule.
                Allowing their residents immigrate to their former colonial masters was an even bigger mistake, because they do not support Western values.
                Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                • #9
                  Gents, its happening here as well.
                  I make my living on Irish welfare.

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                  • #10
                    SemiMBA:

                    Do you really think that Zimbabwe (albeit not in North Africa) was ready for self rule? Or that Iraq, which was a nation in name only, consisting of warring factions, was ready for self-rule?

                    The imperial nations should have done a better job in drawing boundaries and in preparing the countries for democratic institutions -- or at least for peaceful coexistence among the different sects and tribes. Kenya provides another example, as does Somalia. The colonials failed to educate the populace, did not instill a culture of tolerance, and did not raise the standard of living sufficinetly to support stability.

                    I don't see anything racist or intolerant in this view. And I don't believe you are serious about asserting that you are afraid to drive through the South.
                    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                    Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lt1z28 View Post
                      Uhh, yup, Europe is screwed. They did it to themselves and we are not far behind if a Obama/Hillary wins in November.
                      There are many reasons why people emigrate from one country to another. War and economics top the list. Another set of factors determine where emigrants go. People don't close their eyes, jab a finger at a world map and tell the family they're moving to .... Belgium! No, for the most part they following existing linkages.

                      Europeans established many of theses linkages through colonization. That's why Algerians head for France, Moroccans for Spain, and Indonesians for Holland. Vietnamese once gravitated toward France until another link was formed. In deference to our revolutionary founding principles the United States doesn't have colonies. We have commonwealths, territories, or strategic partners in the war on terrorism.

                      If you are worried about immigration, ask yourself which candidate, if elected, is more likely to create linkages to parts of the world where people have a lot of reasons to leave.


                      And the award for the the third largest muslim city in the world goes to...................Berlin!! That's scary, and I've been there so I can assure you it's true!
                      Not even close! There are more Muslims in Casablanca than in all of Germany.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Seventy2002 View Post
                        There are many reasons why people emigrate from one country to another. War and economics top the list. Another set of factors determine where emigrants go. People don't close their eyes, jab a finger at a world map and tell the family they're moving to .... Belgium! No, for the most part they following existing linkages.

                        Europeans established many of theses linkages through colonization. That's why Algerians head for France, Moroccans for Spain, and Indonesians for Holland. Vietnamese once gravitated toward France until another link was formed.
                        You might say that Morrocans established the link with Spain, because they invaded Spain and established Islam there. I believe France more directly intervened in Morocco in the 19th and 20th centuries. In any event, this illustrates another factor in emigration choices: proximity. One should not neglect economic benefit, or laws facilitating immigration, either.
                        Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                        Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SemiMBA
                          Yes, I have found the least tolerant people in the world (and I have been to many countries) is from the deep south. Alabama, parts of Arkansas, and even from where some of my forefathers came from - Mississippi. The myth about "southern hospitality" only applies if

                          1. You are southern
                          2. You are christian
                          3. You are white.

                          If you don't fall into all these catagories, you might as well hang out in the South Bronx.
                          That's odd. I feel safer in the South than in Bedford-Stuyvesant, South Los Angeles, Oakland, NorthEast DC or Berkeley for that matter, even though I was raised in New York and have lived half my life in California. My mother lives in Arkansas, I visit her frequently, and have found the people there perfectly friendly. I simply don't discuss religion and politics -- always good topics to avoid.
                          Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                          Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SemiMBA
                            The die-hard Christians and die-hard Muslims are the same creature.
                            Perhaps in how fervently they believe in their religion. But I think that's where the similarities stop.

                            I haven't met a die-hard Christian suicide bomber yet...
                            “The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed."

                            "You go for a man hard enough and fast enough, he don't have time to think about how many's with him; he thinks about himself, and how he might get clear of that wrath that's about to set down on him."

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                            • #15
                              Wow, so I guess they weren't really being friendly to me when I went through the South. And everyone seemed so nice and welcoming. I'm an atheist from Calfornia, so by SemiMBA's declaration, they didn't like me and I wasn't safe.
                              Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. - Ronald Reagan

                              I don't think It'll happen in the US because we don't trust our government. We are a country of skeptics, raised by skeptics, founded by skeptics. - Amaroq

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