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  • #61
    Doing your homework...

    Originally posted by JPR View Post
    P.S. Still waiting on evidence that Bush lied.
    WHERE ARE THE WMD's? If you cannot provide the evidence that their were WMD's then it still seems to me that Bush lied. It does not matter if his "info" was wrong. He picked who he wanted in his staff to report information to him. Guess next time he will pick people who can acurately do their jobs huh?

    Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

    George W. Bush September 12, 2002


    I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein – because he had a weapons program.

    - George W. Bush, remarks to reporters, May 6, 2003


    Sounds like someone made a lot of statements that sound a lot like he is telling people there are WMD's... Let's read more shall we?

    Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

    - George W. Bush, speech to UN General Assembly, Sept. 12, 2002


    You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons....They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two [the labs were later judged to not contain any such weapons, that they most likely were used for weather balloons]. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on, But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong. We found them.

    - George W. Bush, remarks to reporters, May 31, 2003



    Oct. 5, 2002George W. Bush, Radio Address
    "Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons."

    Oct. 7, 2002 George W. Bush
    "The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."

    Jan. 28, 2003George W. Bush
    "Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent" and "upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents... "



    Bush: Change in Iraq Strategy 'Ideological Struggle of Our Time'
    By Scott Stearns
    Washington
    11 January 2007

    Stearns report - Download 465k
    Listen to Stearns report


    U.S. President George Bush is sending more troops to Iraq as part of what he says will be a new way forward. VOA White House Correspondent Scott Stearns looks at the president's changing approach to the conflict.


    President George Bush concludes his address to the nation from the White House Library, 10 Jan 2007
    Preparing the nation for war four years ago, President Bush said Iraqi weapons of mass destruction were a grave and gathering threat.

    "Our cause is just: the security of the nations we serve and the peace of the world. And our mission is clear: to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction," he said.


    Saddam Hussein said he had no weapons of mass destruction. Then White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said the Iraqi leader was lying.

    "President Bush has said Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. Tony Blair has said Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. Donald Rumsfeld has said Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. Richard Butler has said they do. The United Nations has said they do. The experts have said they do. Iraq says they don't. You can choose who you want to believe," Fleischer said.

    When U.S. inspectors found no weapons of mass destruction, the president's political opponents sought to use that against him. Massachusetts Senator John Kerry was the Democratic nominee for president in 2004.
    Last edited by Arkansas Red; 06-12-2007, 01:10 AM. Reason: helping the lil' lemming get knowledge...
    Ever feel like you live in the state of confusion?

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    • #62
      Originally posted by JPR View Post
      After that see the Washington Post link below....I trust you don't consider the WP to be "Heavily Neocon."
      P.S. Still waiting on evidence that Bush lied.
      Hey great for proving the fact that Iraq's border is FUBAR.... and where did this prove evidence as WMD in Iraq prior to invading?

      Boylan said the suspected lab was new, dating from some time after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. The Bush administration cited evidence that Saddam Hussein's government was manufacturing weapons of mass destruction as the main justification for the invasion. No such weapons or factories were found.

      Thank you for proving my point JPR...
      Ever feel like you live in the state of confusion?

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Bearcat357 View Post


        I bet you get all your news from CNN, MSNBC, and the Washington Post.....

        If you tell me with a straight face they aren't bias.....then I am done discussing this......and I am thinking others are as well.....
        And you get all yours from Fox eh? If you can tell me they are not biased then I agree this discussion makes about as much sense as yelling at a brick wall.
        Ever feel like you live in the state of confusion?

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        • #64
          Hmmm....you say GW lied....but you forget that 296 HOR members signed the Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq allowing this to happen.....

          Gary Ackerman (D-NY 5th)
          Robert Aderholt (R-AL 4th)
          Todd Akin (R-MO 2nd)
          Rob Andrews (D-NJ 1st)
          Dick Armey (R-TX 26th)
          Spencer Bachus (R-AL 6th)
          Richard Baker (R-LA 6th)
          Cass Ballenger (R-NC 10th)
          Jim Barcia (D-MI 5th)
          Bob Barr (R-GA 7th)
          Roscoe Bartlett (R-MD 6th)
          Joe Barton (R-TX 6th)
          Charlie Bass (R-NH 2nd)
          Ken Bentsen (D-TX 25th)
          Doug Bereuter (R-NE 1st)
          Shelley Berkley (D-NV 1st)
          Howard Berman (D-CA 26th)
          Marion Berry (D-AR 1st)
          Judy Biggert (R-IL 13th)
          Michael Bilirakis (R-FL 9th)
          Sanford Bishop (D-GA 2nd)
          Rod Blagojevich (D-IL 5th)
          Roy Blunt (R-MO 7th)
          Sherwood Boehlert (R-NY 24th)
          John Boehner (R-OH) 8th
          Henry Bonilla (R-TX 23nd)
          Mary Bono (R-CA 45th)
          John Boozman (R-AR 3rd)
          Bob Borski (D-PA 3rd)
          Leonard Boswell (D-IA 3rd)
          Richard Boucher (D-VA 9th)
          Allen Boyd (D-FL 2nd)
          Kevin Brady (R-TX 8th)
          Henry E. Brown, Jr. (R-SC 1st)
          Ed Bryant (R-TN 7th)
          Richard Burr (R-NC 5th)
          Dan Burton (R-IN 6th)
          Steve Buyer (R-IN 5th)
          Sonny Callahan (R-AL 1st)
          Ken Calvert (R-CA 43rd)
          David Lee Camp (R-MI 4th)
          Chris Cannon (R-UT 3rd)
          Eric Cantor (R-VA 7th)
          Shelley Moore Capito (R-WA 2nd)
          Brad Carson (D-OK 2nd)
          Michael N. Castle (R-DE At Large)
          Steve Chabot (R-OH 1st)
          Saxby Chambliss (R-GA 8th)
          Bob Clement (D-TN 5th)
          Howard Coble (R-NC 6th)
          Mac Collins (R-GA 3rd)
          Larry Combest (R-TX 19th)
          John Cooksey (R-LA 5th)
          Chris Cox (R-CA 47th)
          Robert Cramer (D-AL 5th)
          Philip Crane (D-IL 8th)
          Ander Crenshaw (R-FL 4th)
          Joseph Crowley (D-NY 7th)
          Barbara Cubin (R-WY At Large)
          John Culberson (R-TX 7th)
          Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-CA 51st)
          Jim Davis (D-FL 11th)
          Jo Ann Davis (R-VA 1st
          Tom Davis (R-VA 11th)
          Nathan Deal (R-GA 9th)
          Tom DeLay (R-TX 22nd)
          Jim DeMint (R-SC 4th)
          Peter Deutsch (D-FL 20th)
          Lincoln Diaz-Balart (R-FL 21st)
          Norman Dicks (D-WA 6th)
          Cal Dooley (D-CA 20th)
          John Doolittle (R-CA 4th)
          David Dreier (R-CA 28th)
          Jennifer Dunn (R-WA 8th)
          Chet Edwards (D-TX 11th)
          Vernon Ehlers (R-MI 3rd)
          Robert Ehrlich (R-MD 2nd)
          Jo Ann Emerson (R-MO 8th)
          Eliot L. Engel (D-NY 17th)
          Phil English (R-PA 21th)
          Bob Etheridge (D-NC 2nd)
          Terry Everett (R-AL 2nd)
          Mike Ferguson (R-NJ 7th)
          Jeff Flake (R-AZ 1st)
          Ernie Fletcher (R-KY 6th)
          Mark Foley (R-FL 16th)
          Randy Forbes (R-VA 4th)
          Harold Ford (D-TN 9th)
          Vito Fossella (R-NY 13th)
          Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-NJ 11th)
          Martin Frost (D-TX 26th)
          Elton Gallegly (R-CA 23rd)
          Greg Ganske (R-IA 4th)
          George Gekas (R-PA 17th)
          Dick Gephardt (D-MO 3rd)
          Jim Gibbons (R-NV 2nd)
          Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD 1st)
          Paul Gillmor (R-OH 5th)
          Benjamin Gilman (R-NY 22nd)
          Virgil Goode (R-VA 5th)
          Bob Goodlatte (R-VA 6th)
          Bart Gordon (D-TN 6st)
          Porter Goss (R-FL 14th)
          Lindsey Graham (R-SC 3rd)
          Kay Granger (R-TX12th)
          Sam Graves (R-MO 6th)
          Gene Green (D-TX 29th)
          Mark Green (R-WI 8th)
          James Greenwood (R-PA 8th)
          Felix Grucci (R-NY 1st)
          Gil Gutknecht (R-MN 1st)
          Ralph Hall (R-TX 4th)
          James V. Hansen (R-UT 1st)
          Jane Harman (D-CA 36th)
          Melissa Hart (R-PA 4th)
          Dennis Hastert (R-IL 14th)
          Doc Hastings (R-WA 4th)
          Robin Hayes (R-NC 8th)
          J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ 6th)
          Joel Hefley (R-CO 5th)
          Wally Herger (R-CA 2nd)
          Baron Hill (D-IN 9th)
          Van Hilleary (R-TN 4th)
          Dave Hobson (R-OH 7th)
          Joe Hoeffel (D-PA 4th)
          Pete Hoekstra (R-MI 2nd)
          Tim Holden (D-PA 6th)
          Steve Horn (R-CA 38th)
          Steny Hoyer (D-MD 5th)
          Kenny Hulshof (R-MO 9th)
          Duncan Hunter (R-CA 52nd)
          Henry Hyde (R-IL 6th)
          Johnny Isakson (R-GA 6th)
          Steve Israel (D-NY 2nd)
          Darrell Issa (R-CA 48th)
          Ernest J. Istook (R-OK 5th)
          William J. Jefferson (D-LA 2nd)
          William Jenkins (R-TN 1st)
          Chris John (D-LA 7th)
          Nancy Johnson (R-CT 6th)
          Timothy V. Johnson (R-IL 15th)
          Sam Johnson (R-TX 3rd)
          Walter B. Jones (R-NC) 3rd)
          Paul Kanjorski (D-PA 11th)
          Ric Keller (R-FL 8th)
          Sue Kelly (R-NY 19th)
          Mark Kennedy (R-MN 2nd)
          Patrick J. Kennedy (D-RI 1st)
          Brian D. Kerns (R-IN 7th)
          Ron Kind (D-WI 3rd)
          Peter King (R-NY 3rd)
          Jack Kingston (R-GA 1st)
          Mark Steven Kirk (R-IL 10th)
          Joe Knollenberg (R-MI 9th)
          Jim Kolbe (R-AZ 5th)
          Ray LaHood (R-IL 18th)
          Nick Lampson (D-TX 11th)
          Tom Lantos (D-CA 12th)
          Tom Latham (R-IA 5th)
          Steve LaTourette (R-OH 14th)
          Jerry Lewis (R-CA 40th)
          Ron Lewis (R-KY 2nd)
          John Linder (R-GA 11th)
          Frank LoBiondo (R-NJ 2nd)
          Nita Lowey (D-NY 18th)
          Ken Lucas (D-KY 4th)
          Frank Lucas (R-OK 3rd)
          William Luther (R-MN 6th)
          Steve Lynch (D-MA 9th)
          Carolyn Maloney (D-NY 14th)
          Donald Manzullo (R-IL 16th)
          Ed Markey (D-MA 7th)
          Frank Mascara (D-PA 20th)
          Jim Matheson (D-UT 2nd)
          Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY 4th)
          Jim McCrery (R-LA 4th)
          John McHugh (R-NY 23rd)
          Scott McInnis (R-CO 3rd)
          Mike McIntyre (D-NC 7th)
          Howard McKeon (R-CA 25th)
          Michael McNulty (D-NY 21th)
          Martin T. Meehan (D-MA 5th)
          John Mica (R-FL 7th)
          Dan Miller (R-FL 13th)
          Gary Miller (R-CA 41st)
          Jeff Miller (R-FL 1st)
          Dennis Moore (D-KS 3rd)
          Jerry Moran (R-KS 1st)
          John Murtha (D-PA 12th)
          Sue Myrick (R-NC 9th)
          George Nethercutt (R-WA 5th)
          Bob Ney (R-OH 18th)
          Anne Northup (R-KY 3rd)
          Charlie Norwood (R-GA 10th)
          Jim Nussle (R-IA 2nd)
          Tom Osborne (R-NE 3rd)
          Doug Ose (R-CA 3rd)
          C. L. Otter (R-ID 1st)
          Mike Oxley (R-OH 4th)
          Bill Pascrell(D-NJ 8th)
          Mike Pence (R-IN 2nd)
          Collin C. Peterson (D-MN 7th)
          John Peterson (R-PA 5th)
          Tom Petri (R-WI 6th)
          David D. Phelps (D-IL 19th)
          Chip Pickering (R-MS 3rd)
          Joseph Pitts (R-PA 16th)
          Todd Platts (R-PA 19th)
          Richard Pombo (R-CA 11th)
          Earl Pomeroy (D-ND At large)
          Rob Portman (R-OH 2nd)
          Deborah Pryce (R-OH 15th)
          Adam Putnam (R-FL 12th)
          Jack Quinn (R-NY 30th)
          George Radanovich (R-CA 19th)
          Jim Ramstad (R-MN 3rd)
          Ralph Regula (R-OH 16th)
          Denny Rehberg (R-MT At large)
          Tom Reynolds (R-NY 26th)
          Bob Riley (R-AL 3rd)
          Tim Roemer (D-IN 3rd)
          Harold Rogers (R-KY 5th)
          Mike Rogers (R-MI 11th)
          Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA 45th)
          Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL 18th)
          Mike Ross (D-AR 4th)
          Steve Rothman (D-NJ 9th)
          Edward R. Royce (R-CA 39th)
          Paul Ryan (R-WI 1st)
          Jim Ryun (R-KS 2nd)
          Max Sandlin (D-TX 1st)
          Jim Saxton (R-NJ 3rd)
          Bob Schaffer (R-CO 4th)
          Adam Schiff (D-CA 27th)
          Ed Schrock (R-VA 2nd)
          Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI 5th)
          Pete Sessions (R-TX 19th)
          John Shadegg (R-AZ 4th)
          Clay Shaw (R-FL 22nd)
          Christopher Shays (R-CT 4th)
          Brad Sherman (D-CA 24th)
          Don Sherwood (R-PA 10th)
          John Shimkus (R-IL 20th)
          Ronnie Shows (D-MS 4th
          Bill Shuster (R-PA 9th)
          Rob Simmons (R-CT 2nd)
          Michael K. Simpson (R-ID 2nd)
          Joe Skeen (R-NM 2nd)
          Ike Skelton (D-MO 4th)
          Nick Smith (R-MI 7th)
          Chris Smith (R-NJ 4th)
          Lamar Smith (R-TX 21th)
          Adam Smith (D-WA 9th)
          Mark Souder (R-IN 4th)
          John Spratt (D-SC 5th)
          Cliff Stearns (R-FL 6th)
          Charles Stenholm (D-TX 17th)
          John Sullivan (R-OK 1st)
          John E. Sununu (R-NH 1st)
          John E. Sweeney (R-NY 20th)
          Thomas G. Tancredo (R-CO 6th)
          John S. Tanner (D-TN 8th)
          Ellen Tauscher (D-CA 10th)
          Billy Tauzin (R-LA 3rd)
          Gene Taylor (D-MS 5th)
          Charles H. Taylor (R-NC 11th)
          Lee Terry (R-NE 2nd)
          Bill Thomas (R-CA 21st)
          Mac Thornberry (R-TX 2nd)
          John Thune (R-SD At large)
          Karen Thurman (D-FL 5th)
          Todd Tiahrt (R-KS 4th)
          Patrick Tiberi (R-OH 12th)
          Pat Toomey (R-PA 15th)
          Mike Turner (R-OH 3rd)
          Fred Upton (R-MI 6th)
          David Vitter (R-LA 1st)
          Greg Walden (R-OR 2nd)
          Jim Walsh (R-NY 25th)
          Zach Wamp (R-TN 3rd)
          Wes Watkins (R-OK 3rd)
          J.C. Watts (R-OK 4th)
          Henry Waxman (D-CA 29th)
          Anthony D. Weiner (D-NY 9th)
          Dave Weldon (R-FL 15th)
          Curt Weldon (R-PA 7th)
          Jerry Weller (R-IL 11th)
          Robert Wexler (D-FL 19th)
          Ed Whitfield (R-KY 1st)
          Roger Wicker (R-MS 1st)
          Heather Wilson (R-NM 1st)
          Joe Wilson (R-SC 2nd)
          Frank R. Wolf (R-VA 10th)
          Albert Wynn (D-MD 4th)
          Don Young (R-AK At-large)
          Bill Young (R-FL 10th)

          Further.....77 Senators also signed it.....

          Wayne Allard (R-CO)
          George Allen (R-VA)
          Max Baucus (D-MT)
          Evan Bayh (D-IN)
          Bob Bennett (R-UT)
          Joe Biden (D-DE)
          Kit Bond (R-MO)
          John Breaux (D-LA)
          Sam Brownback (R-KS)
          Jim Bunning (R-KY)
          Conrad Burns (R-MT)
          Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R-CO)
          Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
          Jean Carnahan (D-MO)
          Tom Carper (D-DE)
          Max Cleland (D-GA)
          Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
          Thad Cochran (R-MS)
          Susan Collins (R-ME)
          Larry Craig (R-ID)
          Mike Crapo (R-ID)
          Tom Daschle (D-SD)
          Mike DeWine (R-OH)
          Christopher Dodd (D-CT)
          Pete Domenici (R-NM)
          Byron Dorgan (D-ND)
          John Edwards (D-NC)
          John Ensign (R-NV)
          Mike Enzi (R-WY)
          Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
          Peter Fitzgerald (R-IL)
          Bill Frist (R-TN)
          Phil Gramm (R-TX)
          Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
          Judd Gregg (R-NH)
          Chuck Hagel (R-NE)
          Tom Harkin (D-IA)
          Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
          Jesse Helms (R-NC)
          Fritz Hollings (D-SC)
          Tim Hutchinson (R-AR)
          Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX)
          James Inhofe (R-OK)
          Tim Johnson(D-SD)
          John Kerry (D-MA)
          Herb Kohl (D-WI)
          Jon Kyl (R-AZ)
          Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
          Joe Lieberman (D-CT)
          Blanche Lincoln (D-AR)
          Trent Lott (R-MS)
          Richard Lugar (R-IN)
          John McCain (R-AZ)
          Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
          Zell Miller (D-GA)
          Frank Murkowski (R-AK)
          Bill Nelson (D-FL)
          Ben Nelson (D-NE)
          Don Nickles (R-OK)
          Harry Reid (D-NV)
          Pat Roberts (R-KS)
          Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)
          Rick Santorum (R-PA)
          Chuck Schumer (D-NY)
          Jeff Sessions (R-AL)
          Richard Shelby (R-AL)
          Robert Smith (R-NH)
          Gordon Smith (R-OR)
          Olympia Snowe (R-ME)
          Arlen Specter (R-PA)
          Ted Stevens (R-AK)
          Craig Thomas (R-WY)
          Fred Thompson (R-TN)
          Strom Thurmond (R-SC)
          Robert Torricelli (D-NJ)
          George Voinovich (R-OH)
          John Warner (R-VA)

          (Note....it wasn't all those evil Repubs that signed it.....there are lots of Dems on there as well....including several that are running for President of the US right now....)......

          Plus, the Countries of UK, Australia, South Korea, Japan, Poland, Romania, Denmark, El Salvador, Georgia, Bulgaria, Azerbaijan, Mongolia, Latvia, Albania, Lithuania, Armenia, Republic of Macedonia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Estonia, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Fiji, Denmark, Canada. New Zealand, The Netherlands, and a few others have sent forces there to support this conflict......

          Damn....I knew GW was good....but didn't know he was good enough to lie to all those folks to get them on board for this.....just so we could have lower fuel prices.....

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Bearcat357 View Post
            Hmmm....you say GW lied....but you forget that 296 HOR members signed the Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq allowing this to happen.....

            [Deleted list to save space]

            (Note....it wasn't all those evil Repubs that signed it.....there are lots of Dems on there as well....including several that are running for President of the US right now....)......

            Plus, the Countries of UK, Australia, South Korea, Japan, Poland, Romania, Denmark, El Salvador, Georgia, Bulgaria, Azerbaijan, Mongolia, Latvia, Albania, Lithuania, Armenia, Republic of Macedonia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Estonia, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Fiji, Denmark, Canada. New Zealand, The Netherlands, and a few others have sent forces there to support this conflict......

            Damn....I knew GW was good....but didn't know he was good enough to lie to all those folks to get them on board for this.....just so we could have lower fuel prices.....


            Aww how cute the liberal backed you into a corner... this little vent session did not start out as "Bush lied, but the Dems did not" no my friend I recall I stated "Bush lied" and was asked by you and JPR to "prove it" and I just showed my cards and then some.

            Now, this whole thing would have been easier if I stated that "Bush and a few of his administration lied to the people."

            Overall I do not believe that all republicans or all democrats are to blame. We the people elected our leaders in the hopes they would make the correct decisions. Unfortunately they [both sides] did not.



            Besides if the war in Iraq was about lowering fuel prices then they failed that too cause last time I filled my tank it was $3 a gallon.
            Ever feel like you live in the state of confusion?

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            • #66
              Round 2: Fox

              Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.
              This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."


              Why am I not surprised?
              Ever feel like you live in the state of confusion?

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Arkansas Red View Post
                Aww how cute the liberal backed you into a corner... this little vent session did not start out as "Bush lied, but the Dems did not" no my friend I recall I stated "Bush lied" and was asked by you and JPR to "prove it" and I just showed my cards and then some.
                Backed me into a corner....??

                Once again....you pop off that Bush lied.....but yet when I post the names and countries of all those supporting the War.....you continue to babble on that he lied...... You really want me to believe that all those folks thought that Bush was lying at the time of the invasion...?

                The US and Collation Forces still haven't searched the entire country (which happens to be the 58th largest country in the world at1 69,234 sq miles) .....on top of the reports that WMDs could have been moved to other countries prior to the Invasion.......

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                • #68
                  Doing my homework huh?....Thx, but no thx...I'll do my own

                  Originally posted by Arkansas Red View Post
                  Hey great for proving the fact that Iraq's border is FUBAR.... and where did this prove evidence as WMD in Iraq prior to invading?

                  Boylan said the suspected lab was new, dating from some time after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. The Bush administration cited evidence that Saddam Hussein's government was manufacturing weapons of mass destruction as the main justification for the invasion. No such weapons or factories were found.

                  Thank you for proving my point JPR...
                  Well we know this part(highlighted) of the article is false, but what can i say, it's the Washington Post. I was hoping to use a source you would read.....I noticed you cherry picked the Fox article too.

                  You apparently didn't read the WP article to the end. The last paragraph states that Al Queda announced that they were looking for Bio,Rad and Chem weapons and later CNN aired an Al Queda videotape showing the killing of three dogs with what were believed to be nerve agents. This was in 2001/2002.( ya gotta love these warm hearted guys.....I can't imagine why anyone would want to make them suffer by holding them in Gitmo.....Poor guys. ) Is it really such a stretch to realize the possibility (more likely probability) of these goons getting Bio or Chem weapons from a like-minded warm fuzzy hearted guy like Saddam who had in the past USED CHEM WEAPONS ON HIS OWN PEOPLE?

                  Also, sorry to burst your "I GOTCHA" bubble but your posts prove nothing that the president and the rest of your opponents here have not already conceded, namely, that the president relied on information that he believed was reliable at the time. Seriously, if you think about it, what motive would he have had to lie? So he could look like a fool later? I give him credit for later admitting that the intel was flawed. Lesser men would probably have had the stuff planted there so that no one would find out the intel was bad. Which is more evidence that he didn't lie. A liar would have tried to cover his tracks.

                  In the interest of FAIR and BALANCED we also need to sort out the apparent double standard working here. The link below contains the following, but I think it needs to appear here and now:

                  Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY): "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." (Sen. Hillary Clinton, Congressional Record, 10/10/02, p. S10288)

                  Sen. John Kerry (D-MA): "When I vote to give the president of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security...." (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/9/02, p. S10174)

                  Sen. John Kerry (D-MA): "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real." (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At Georgetown University, Washington, DC, 1/23/03)

                  Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA): "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." (Sen. Edward Kennedy, Remarks At The Johns Hopkins School Of Advanced International Studies, 9/27/02)

                  Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV): "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." ("Threats And Responses," The New York Times, 10/4/02)

                  Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV): "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." (Sen. Jay Rockefeller, Congressional Record, 10/10/02, p. S10305)

                  Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI): "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." (Sen. Carl Levin, Committee On Armed Services, U.S. Senate, Hearing, 9/19/02)

                  Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA): "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process. The responsibility of the United States in this conflict is to eliminate weapons of mass destruction, to minimize the danger to our troops and to diminish the suffering of the Iraqi people." (Rep. Nancy Pelosi, "Statement On U.S. Led Military Strike Against Iraq," Press Release, 12/16/98)

                  Former Vice President Al Gore: "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." (Former Vice President Al Gore, Remarks At The Commonwealth Club, San Francisco, CA, 9/23/02)

                  And last but certainly not least, our beloved Philanderer in Chief

                  Former President Bill Clinton: "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." ("US: Clinton Says Diplomatic Solution Preferable In Iraq," AAP Newsfeed, 2/5/98)

                  Lastly, in the interest of FAIR and BALANCED the following link needs to be read in IT'S ENTIRETY.

                  http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0060412-8.html

                  And now you have both sides of the story.

                  Looks like you don't have a winning hand after all......Better luck next time.

                  P.S. Still waiting on evidence that Bush lied.
                  Last edited by JPR; 06-12-2007, 03:22 AM.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Bearcat357 View Post
                    Backed me into a corner....??

                    Once again....you pop off that Bush lied.....but yet when I post the names and countries of all those supporting the War.....you continue to babble on that he lied...... You really want me to believe that all those folks thought that Bush was lying at the time of the invasion...?

                    The US and Collation Forces still haven't searched the entire country (which happens to be the 58th largest country in the world at1 69,234 sq miles) .....on top of the reports that WMDs could have been moved to other countries prior to the Invasion.......

                    You mention those names like you want to justify that it was okay. I am not going to debate wether or not each person thought that Bush lied. That was not the point at the time when I stated, "I believe Bush lied..."

                    You do a nice job of using classic Neocon "slight of hand" in an attempt to change the subject, but you have yet to say anything about the quotes.

                    As for the Dems and Repubs that voted for the war, many have admitted they were wrong to authorize the war. They admitted they were wrong, yet Bush has not stated that he was wrong.

                    The "Coalition Forces" have decided to pack it in:

                    Countries which had troops in or supported operations in Iraq at one point but have pulled out since: Nicaragua (Feb. 2004); Spain (late-Apr. 2004); Dominican Republic (early-May 2004); Honduras (late-May 2004); Philippines (~Jul. 19, 2004); Thailand (late-Aug. 2004); New Zealand (late Sep. 2004); Tonga (mid-Dec. 2004) Portugal (mid-Feb. 2005); The Netherlands (Mar. 2005); Hungary (Mar. 2005); Singapore (Mar. 2005); Norway (Oct. 2005); Ukraine (Dec. 2005); Japan (July 17, 2006); Italy (Nov. 2006); Slovakia (Jan 2007).

                    Denmark plans on a pullout in Aug 07, Poland wants to pull out in mid summer '07.

                    I guess we should have made better use of the eleven troops Slovenia sent us eh?
                    Ever feel like you live in the state of confusion?

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                    • #70
                      Again with the tripe...

                      Once when I was an MP I pulled over a motorist for speeding. As I was explaining the citation to the individual another vehicle whizzed by. The motorist, who was receiving his citation, stated, "Hey that guy was speeding... why don't you go after him!?"

                      This is the same scenario: You both have yet to show me 1) The WMD and 2) That Bush did not lie. It is nice to flash up quotes about the Dems and Reps that voted for the war. But again I remind you that I was not attempting to prove that Hillary, Edwards, or whoever, lied. I was trying to prove Bush lied. I did.

                      Truthfully I think all of our represenatives owe a big, "Sorry, but we screwed up!" to America and the world. They owe a debt to our wounded and dead Servicemembers that will never be repayable. All because they wanted to play petty games to get reelected.

                      JPR- AGAIN you wish to sway the conversation by talking about Al-Qaeda... stay on track. Everyone knows that people meaning to kill us are going to try and get their hands on the stuff, but remember what we were talking about.

                      Also the bigger man would have admitted his wrongness and took his lumps whereas the weaker man would have blamed "faulty intelligence".

                      P.S. Still waiting for you to prove that Bush did not lie and to show me the WMD's! (Preferably the ones that we went over there for.)
                      Last edited by Arkansas Red; 06-12-2007, 04:17 AM.
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                      • #71
                        I'm not sure that Bush and his cronies lied, but I personally believe that he manipulated the intelligence about the WMD so he could attack Iraq.
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                        • #72
                          Hey! How about that patriotism in law enforcement? Wasn't that the question?

                          Just call me....TABLESPOON!

                          And...Arkansas Red...pass me the KoolAid you're drinking, so I can sir that up, too. It's an old flavor and getting stale. Got any fresh or original mix?

                          Friggin' libs. JPR, Bearcat, I gotta hand it to you guys, you got tenacity. That said, I believe AR is a hopless "surrender" case. Let him live in his world. He's never going to move into ours.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by 1042 Trooper View Post
                            .........Friggin' libs. JPR, Bearcat, I gotta hand it to you guys, you got tenacity. That said, I believe AR is a hopless "surrender" case. Let him live in his world. He's never going to move into ours. Peace to all.

                            Like I said before, for those who understand no explanation is necessary, and for those who don't, no explanation is possible........
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by 1042 Trooper View Post
                              Hey! How about that patriotism in law enforcement? Wasn't that the question?

                              Just call me....TABLESPOON!

                              And...Arkansas Red...pass me the KoolAid you're drinking, so I can sir that up, too. It's an old flavor and getting stale. Got any fresh or original mix?

                              Friggin' libs. JPR, Bearcat, I gotta hand it to you guys, you got tenacity. That said, I believe AR is a hopless "surrender" case. Let him live in his world. He's never going to move into ours.

                              Peace to all.

                              Need new koolaid flavor eh? How about a sweet blend I call "imPEACHment"? I would give the recipe, but "I don't recall" how it is made. But of course I am sure there is "no confidence" that I will be able to get it done right.

                              Please leave me in my own world. I would do the same for your side except your side seems rather bent on some form of world wide empire. Which makes me wonder why you state "peace to all" when you clearly enjoy saber rattling this country into war all the time.

                              What amazaes me is the fact that a large majority of people who saber rattle never even served in the Armed Forces in peace time...
                              Ever feel like you live in the state of confusion?

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Arkansas Red View Post
                                What amazaes me is the fact that a large majority of people who saber rattle never even served in the Armed Forces in peace time...
                                Funny....I served during peace time and duirng war.....and support what is going on now.

                                Hell, when Slick Willie was Prez and we invaded Bosnia, I supported him due to the fact he as my CIC.....

                                But some of us can handle that.......supporting a CIC we might not like.....but do it anyway because it's our job.....and we don't run off to the media to whine about ****.....

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