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    I realize this was a negotiated decision but why couldn't Tyson simply have granted this holiday and had the muslim employees work Labor Day? The non muslim workers could still have Labor Day off and would work the muslim holiday. Although Labor Day is not a religious holiday it still holds great meaning. Could the majority require someone of the Jewish faith to work on the sabbath? I think this is a slippery slope. Your thoughts?

    Plant Drops Labor Day For Muslim Holiday
    More Than Half Of Tyson Plant's Workforce Muslim


    SHELBYVILLE, Tenn. -- Some workers at a local plant will no longer to be able to take their Labor Day holiday because of religious reasons.

    Workers at the Tyson Foods poultry processing plant in Shelbyville will no longer have a paid day off on Labor Day but will instead be granted the Muslim holiday Eid al-Fitr.

    According to a news release from the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union, a new five-year contract at the plant included the change to accommodate Muslim workers at the plant.

    Tyson's director of media relations Gary Mickelson said the contract includes eight paid holidays -- the same number as the old contract.

    Eid al-Fitr -- which falls on Oct. 1 this year -- marks the end of Ramadan, the Muslim holy month of fasting.

    Union leaders said implementing the holiday was important for the nearly 700 Muslims, many of them Somalis, who work at the plant that employs a total of 1,200 people.

    Nineteen-year plant veteran William Pentecost doesn’t agree with the decision.

    "I don’t think it's right. I really don't think it's right," he said.

    Tyson company spokeswoman Libby Lawson said by phone that, "This isn't a religious accommodation, this is a contractual agreement. The majority asked for it."

    The change didn’t bother some workers.

    "I think it's fine. I don’t have any problem with it. There's a whole bunch of them here, so they've got to do something for them," said worker John Smith.

    "It shouldn't happen. I mean, I think, we're in America, you're in America, I think that they should go with our holidays," Pentecost said.

    Channel 4's Cynthia Williams could not reach any of the plant’s Muslim workers, because Channel 4 News' crew was not permitted on the property.

    Former employee and Shelbyville resident Anthony Proctor said he thinks what's happening is wrong.

    He said he helped build a special Muslim prayer room that's located inside the plant and that no other Tyson facility has been that accommodating for any other religion.

    "If we want to go pray, we don’t have one for Christians," he said.

    Tyson is headquartered in Arkansas.

    Lawson said they consider religious accommodations on a case-by-case basis. She said that so far, no one has asked for any other type of religious prayer room.

    No one at the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union’s regional office answered phone calls placed by Williams on Friday.

    A representative in New York said that no one there knew specifics about the new contract with the workers, but a person in research told Williams that holidays aren't usually replaced and are more likely to be added on.

    The decision will only apply to workers at the plant who are union members. All other employees at the plant will still have their normal Labor Day holiday.
    Disclaimer: The writer does not represent any organization, employer, entity or other individual. The first amendment protected views/commentary/opinions/satire expressed are those only of the writer. In the case of a sarcastic, facetious, nonsensical, stirring-the-pot, controversial or devil's advocate-type post, the views expressed may not even reflect those of the writer.

  • #2
    Originally posted by BrickCop View Post
    I realize this was a negotiated decision but why couldn't Tyson simply have granted this holiday and had the muslim employees work Labor Day? The non muslim workers could still have Labor Day off and would work the muslim holiday. Although Labor Day is not a religious holiday it still holds great meaning. Could the majority require someone of the Jewish faith to work on the sabbath? I think this is a slippery slope. Your thoughts?

    Plant Drops Labor Day For Muslim Holiday
    More Than Half Of Tyson Plant's Workforce Muslim


    SHELBYVILLE, Tenn. -- Some workers at a local plant will no longer to be able to take their Labor Day holiday because of religious reasons.

    Workers at the Tyson Foods poultry processing plant in Shelbyville will no longer have a paid day off on Labor Day but will instead be granted the Muslim holiday Eid al-Fitr.

    According to a news release from the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union, a new five-year contract at the plant included the change to accommodate Muslim workers at the plant.

    Tyson's director of media relations Gary Mickelson said the contract includes eight paid holidays -- the same number as the old contract.

    Eid al-Fitr -- which falls on Oct. 1 this year -- marks the end of Ramadan, the Muslim holy month of fasting.

    Union leaders said implementing the holiday was important for the nearly 700 Muslims, many of them Somalis, who work at the plant that employs a total of 1,200 people.

    Nineteen-year plant veteran William Pentecost doesn’t agree with the decision.

    "I don’t think it's right. I really don't think it's right," he said.

    Tyson company spokeswoman Libby Lawson said by phone that, "This isn't a religious accommodation, this is a contractual agreement. The majority asked for it."

    The change didn’t bother some workers.

    "I think it's fine. I don’t have any problem with it. There's a whole bunch of them here, so they've got to do something for them," said worker John Smith.

    "It shouldn't happen. I mean, I think, we're in America, you're in America, I think that they should go with our holidays," Pentecost said.

    Channel 4's Cynthia Williams could not reach any of the plant’s Muslim workers, because Channel 4 News' crew was not permitted on the property.

    Former employee and Shelbyville resident Anthony Proctor said he thinks what's happening is wrong.

    He said he helped build a special Muslim prayer room that's located inside the plant and that no other Tyson facility has been that accommodating for any other religion.

    "If we want to go pray, we don’t have one for Christians," he said.

    Tyson is headquartered in Arkansas.

    Lawson said they consider religious accommodations on a case-by-case basis. She said that so far, no one has asked for any other type of religious prayer room.

    No one at the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union’s regional office answered phone calls placed by Williams on Friday.

    A representative in New York said that no one there knew specifics about the new contract with the workers, but a person in research told Williams that holidays aren't usually replaced and are more likely to be added on.

    The decision will only apply to workers at the plant who are union members. All other employees at the plant will still have their normal Labor Day holiday.

    I'm going to say there is much more to this story than what's on the surface. This is typical of the main stream media, to print a 'brief' on an internal company event, and leave the rest to our imagination. Why am I not surprised the news media wasn't allowed on company property?

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    • #3
      The union negotiated this agreement with management at the urging of a majority of their workers. If they want to work on Christmas too, it's with my blessing.

      No one outside the company should care. If they took off on Superbowl Sunday, would we raise an eyebrow?

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      • #4
        I'm with Lean, what's the big deal? It would be one thing if the company had forced the workers, but, it sounds like the majority wanted it.
        A Veteran is someone who at one point in their life wrote a blank check made payable to The United States of America, for an amount up to, and including their life. That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country today, who no longer understand that fact!

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        • #5
          I don't see a big deal at all with giving them the holiday off but I am leery of the minority being forced to work a holiday they've traditionally had off. At the end of the day it's their call but substitute Christmas for Labor Day. Chrsitians in this company would be screwed simply because there was a majority voting bloc of muslim workers.

          BTW They should've traded President's Day instead of Labor Day...
          Disclaimer: The writer does not represent any organization, employer, entity or other individual. The first amendment protected views/commentary/opinions/satire expressed are those only of the writer. In the case of a sarcastic, facetious, nonsensical, stirring-the-pot, controversial or devil's advocate-type post, the views expressed may not even reflect those of the writer.

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          • #6
            As long as it was not a patriotic holiday why should wbe care? Labor Day is for laborers.
            Last edited by DAL; 08-04-2008, 11:17 PM.
            Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
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            • #7
              Originally posted by BrickCop View Post
              I don't see a big deal at all with giving them the holiday off but I am leery of the minority being forced to work a holiday they've traditionally had off. At the end of the day it's their call but substitute Christmas for Labor Day. Chrsitians in this company would be screwed simply because there was a majority voting bloc of muslim workers.

              BTW They should've traded President's Day instead of Labor Day...
              I can see your point. But, where were the Christians? They didn't get religion until the Muslim workers organized and got the majority vote to change the holiday work schedule. Sounds to me, like a great democratic way of doing business.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DAL View Post
                As long as it was not a patriotic holiday why should be care? Labor Day is for laborers.
                [bold highlite mine]

                And God only knows we haven't got many of them left.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Stormy View Post
                  [bold highlite mine]

                  And God only knows we haven't got many of them left.
                  Except, obviously, those factory workers.

                  By the way, manufacturing is coming back to the U.S., thanks to the high cost of oil. Transportation costs are now so high that it is no longer economical to manufacture some things in Asia. Mexico is benefitting in that regard, too.
                  Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                  Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                  • #10
                    Originally Posted by Stormy View Post
                    [bold highlite mine]

                    And God only knows we haven't got many of them left.
                    Originally posted by DAL View Post
                    Except, obviously, those factory workers.

                    By the way, manufacturing is coming back to the U.S., thanks to the high cost of oil. Transportation costs are now so high that it is no longer economical to manufacture some things in Asia. Mexico is benefitting in that regard, too.
                    Well......it's about time. Now that the country is flat broke, stores are banging up shop, commercial vacancies all around town, and banks are beginning the downward spiral.

                    Question: what will they manufacturer? America has all the junk China made in the past 20 years. What is it we didn't buy?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DAL View Post

                      '...By the way, manufacturing is coming back to the U.S., thanks to the high cost of oil. Transportation costs are now so high that it is no longer economical to manufacture some things in Asia. Mexico is benefitting in that regard, too.
                      Check out this report. Why am I not surprised that manufacturing returning to the US, is a day too late?;

                      Hundreds of banks will fail, Roubini tells Barron's
                      Sun Aug 3, 2008 3:52pm EDT

                      NEW YORK, Aug 3 (Reuters) - The United States is in the second inning of a recession that will last for at least 18 months and help kill off hundreds of banks, influential economist and New York University Professor Nouriel Roubini told Barron's in Sunday's edition.

                      Taxpayers will pay a big price for helping bail out the rest of the financial services industry as well, Roubini said -- at least $1 trillion and more likely $2 trillion.

                      The banks will become insolvent because of mounting losses as a result of the housing bust and because they have only written down their subprime loans so far, he said. Still in front of them are their consumer-credit losses, for which they lack the reserves, Barron's reported.

                      He also said there are hundreds of millions of dollars outstanding in home-equity loans that could be worth zero, too.

                      U.S. consumers, meanwhile, are "shopped out" and saving less, while the Federal Reserve's performance in handling the crisis has been poor, Roubini said, because it failed to see that the problem extended beyond subprime mortgage debt.

                      Now, Roubini told Barron's, the government is overregulating, bailing out troubled participants and intervening in every market.

                      "The regulators should investigate themselves for bailing out Fannie Mae (FNM.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) and Freddie Mac (FRE.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz), the creditors of Bear Stearns and the financial system with new lending facilities. They have swapped U.S. Treasury bonds for toxic securities," he told Barron's. "It is privatizing the gains and profits, and socializing the losses as usual. This is socialism for Wall Street and the rich."

                      He said that sometimes it is necessary to use public money to rescue institutions, but in a way that does not bail out the people who made the mistakes. "In each one of these episodes, the government bailed out the shareholders, the bondholders, and to some degree, management," Roubini told Barron's.

                      As for the banks that will go bankrupt, they will include community banks that finance homes, stores, downtown areas, commercial real estate and other mainstays of U.S. towns and cities, Roubini said.

                      "Of three dozen or so medium-sized regional banks, a good third are in distress," he told Barron's, saying half of the group could go bankrupt. Some big banks could wind up insolvent, he added, but said they might be deemed too big to fail.

                      Nouriel stressed that he is "quite bullish" about the state of the global economy and that he is positive about the medium and long term.

                      (Reporting by Robert MacMillan, editing by Martin Golan)

                      http://www.reuters.com/article/bonds...080803?sp=true

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                      • #12
                        What will they manufacture? Cars, machinery, steel, consumer electronics, solar panels, even furniture. Foreign companies are building plants in the US. We are also exporting more finished products.

                        See http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/bu...324&ei=5087%0A
                        Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                        Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DAL View Post
                          What will they manufacture? Cars, machinery, steel, consumer electronics, solar panels, even furniture. Foreign companies are building plants in the US. We are also exporting more finished products.

                          See http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/bu...324&ei=5087%0A
                          In order to bring this economy back to life, I'd have to dig up an article which described how Hitler brought back Germany's economy to life, from depression, and how Germany prospered in the 30's, while the rest of the world did not.

                          It's more than building cars, machinery, and consumer electronics. Americans are broke. They have no more money to spend on junk. All of the items you mentioned are considered 'junk'; buying 'junk' does not feed America, nor pay it's taxes, which provide much needed services to the private sector.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Stormy View Post
                            dig up an article which described how Hitler brought back Germany's economy to life, from depression, and how Germany prospered in the 30's, while the rest of the world did not.

                            It's more than building cars, machinery, and consumer electronics. Americans are broke. They have no more money to spend on junk. All of the items you mentioned are considered 'junk'; buying 'junk' does not feed America, nor pay it's taxes, which provide much needed services to the private sector.
                            Hitler brought them back by building cars, planes, tanks and warships. He also stole from FDR because they had projects very similar to our WPA.

                            America is not broke, she is hurting though. You are correct though, buying junk does not feed us. BUILDING junk will, just ask China
                            A Veteran is someone who at one point in their life wrote a blank check made payable to The United States of America, for an amount up to, and including their life. That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country today, who no longer understand that fact!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Stormy View Post
                              It's more than building cars, machinery, and consumer electronics. Americans are broke. . . . All of the items you mentioned are considered 'junk'.
                              Your definition of junk must be quite strange.

                              Besides, Americans don't have to buy the goods. We can sell them abroad, and are doing so.
                              Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                              Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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