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  • Legitimize Drug Users, Jail Pushers; Argentina

    Hotdamn, why don't we have a hot babe like her for president. Instead, we've got.......(barf, puke)

    Anyway, Argentine President makes a whole lot of sense; decriminalize drug use, and give them healthcare, but jail drug pushers, and throw away the key.

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    Argentine president calls for decriminalization of drug use


    President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner says she doesn't like to "condemn someone who has an addiction."

    BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (CNN) -- President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner repeated her call this week to decriminalize personal drug use and crack down on traffickers and dealers.

    "I don't like it when people easily condemn someone who has an addiction as if he were a criminal, as if he were a person who should be persecuted," she told a meeting of the National Investigation into the Consumption of Alcohol, Tobacco, Psychopharmaceuticals and Illegal Drugs.

    "Those who should be persecuted are those who sell the substances, those who give it away, those who traffic in it."

    A poll shows 2 percent of Argentines have tried cocaine, but some people believe decriminalization of drugs could result in wider drug use.

    Regardless, the Argentine government is pushing Congress to pass the decriminalization legislation by the end of the year.

    "Decriminalization of the consumer should include what are called second-generation human rights, but at the same time there should be a strong policy of prevention, so that no one falls in the situation of consuming any substance," said Anibal Fernandez, the minister of security and justice.

    Ethan Nadelmann, founder and executive director of the New York-based Drug Policy Alliance, said such policies have been adopted throughout Europe and other parts of Latin America.

    "The evidence generally shows that the decriminalization of possession is not clearly associated with any increase in illicit drug use," he said.

    A few years ago, then-Mexican President Vicente Fox proposed decriminalizing possession of drugs combined with a crackdown on traffickers, but a harsh reaction from the Bush administration caused him to retreat, Nadelmann said.

    Brazil and Colombia have passed laws decriminalizing drug use in an effort to combat the spread of HIV among injecting drug users, he said.

    Politicians recognize that "you basically need to get those people out of the underground and into health systems," Nadelmann said.

    "This would be part of a growing number of countries in Latin America where there is, either for political or judicial reasons, a push toward decriminalization of personal possession, sometimes combined with initiatives to crack down harder on bigger drug traffickers," he said.

    "It typically involves both lessening the criminal sanction for possession of cannabis while also providing for alternatives to incarceration for people addicted to drugs who are arrested for drug possession or other minor offenses."

    The concept has gained followers in the United States, too, he said, citing statistics that show two-thirds of Americans support drug treatment instead of jail time for first-time drug offenders.

    On Wednesday, Rep. Barney Frank announced a proposal to end federal penalties for Americans carrying fewer than 100 grams, or almost a quarter-pound, of marijuana.

    "The vast amount of human activity ought to be none of the government's business," Frank said on Capitol Hill. "I don't think it is the government's business to tell you how to spend your leisure time."

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americ...ugs/index.html

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    How do we differentiate? Almost all pushers are users, do we only jail those who are caught in the act of sales, or those carrying x amount which would normally be used for sales?

    Also, many users sell to some extent even if it is just to friends. How do we differntiate sellers?
    A Veteran is someone who at one point in their life wrote a blank check made payable to The United States of America, for an amount up to, and including their life. That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country today, who no longer understand that fact!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ray8285 View Post
      How do we differentiate? Almost all pushers are users, do we only jail those who are caught in the act of sales, or those carrying x amount which would normally be used for sales?

      Also, many users sell to some extent even if it is just to friends. How do we differntiate sellers?
      I'm not a LEO, but, I'd guess the higher up the ladder of pusher you go, the less likely they are users. It would stand to reason, yes? There is an old saying; 'The magician does not believe in magic' may hold true in this case. The fact a user pushes, only means to me he needs money to buy more for his own need, rather than conducting an illegal business venture.

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      • #4
        The decriminalzation part would be tricky. I've heard good points on both sides of that arguement. I do, however, totally agree with harsher treatment of dealers, suppliers, etc. I've said this before on O.com, drug dealing is a capitol offence. Drugs have destroyed lives, families, nieghborhoods and cities. Too many have died because someone wanted to get rich. I know that could be applied to many ventures, however, with drug dealing, everyone knows that someone will die.

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        • #5
          I may be considered a right winger for this satement, but I think dealing should get the death penalty. A dealer is truly and knowingly killing people and our society.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Stormy View Post
            I'm not a LEO, but, I'd guess the higher up the ladder of pusher you go, the less likely they are users. .
            not necessarily. The mob families were decimated because of drug use by higher than street level members.

            My point would be, though, how do you determine who gets the tougher sentence? Is it just based on sales, or quantity of sales.

            I don't have a problem with the concept, but how do you administer it with out being accused of bias?
            A Veteran is someone who at one point in their life wrote a blank check made payable to The United States of America, for an amount up to, and including their life. That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country today, who no longer understand that fact!

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            • #7
              Sweet, all I have to do to get free health care is drugs? Glad its another country. Sounds like a bad idea. By their #'s they don't have a big drug problem anyway. 2% is very low.
              The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by PB3021 View Post
                I may be considered a right winger for this satement, but I think dealing should get the death penalty. A dealer is truly and knowingly killing people and our society.
                So is anyone manufacturing and selling cigarettes - legally...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jellybean400 View Post
                  So is anyone manufacturing and selling cigarettes - legally...
                  He's not talking about tobacco......
                  For every one hundred men you send us,
                  Ten should not even be here.
                  Eighty are nothing but targets.
                  Nine of them are real fighters;
                  We are lucky to have them, they the battle make.
                  Ah, but the one. One of them is a warrior.
                  And he will bring the others back.

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                  • #10
                    Haven't we tried this strategy before?
                    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                    Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                    • #11
                      which strategy?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PB3021 View Post
                        which strategy?
                        Not prosecuting drug users and providing them free medical care.

                        I alsway find it amusing that drug dealers are called "pushers." Although I have been offered drugs, I have never had anyone try to induce me to buy them, and all have readily accepted my lack of interest.

                        The problem exists not because of "pushers" but rather because there is a huge market out there. Users seek out dealers.
                        Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                        Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                        • #13
                          By the way, the proposal is a great deal for users. In fact, I think it would b much cheaper to buy marijuana and become a "user" than to buy health insurance. I could buy a couple rocks of crack per day for less than the cost of health insurance. Fantastic incentive for increasing drug use!
                          Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                          Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DAL View Post
                            Not prosecuting drug users and providing them free medical care.

                            I alsway find it amusing that drug dealers are called "pushers." Although I have been offered drugs, I have never had anyone try to induce me to buy them, and all have readily accepted my lack of interest.

                            The problem exists not because of "pushers" but rather because there is a huge market out there. Users seek out dealers.
                            I agree to an extent. The term pusher came about because some did and do "push" their product. However, you're right, there is a huge market out there. How did it get so large? Pushers. Seriously though, what do you, or anyone here think what would happen or if worthwhile to destroy the supply? I don't mean education, or sanctions against "drug freindly" gov'ts (are'nt they all?) but a real effort to eradicate the network that supplys illegal drugs. Yes, I'm talking about forceful action against any and all persons/entities who pose a risk to our society...

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                            • #15
                              I do not think that destroying the supply is politically or practically feasible. The requisite measures are incompatible with personal freedom.

                              A more effective way to eliminate drug use would be to taint the supply so that drug use would be fatal within a short time. You could even announce that that was being done, thereby scaring away the casual users and eliminating the addicts. That is not feasible either.
                              Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                              Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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