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    Ok I searched for this and maybe I missed it but here it goes. I know this is a bit old but I have to rant since it's on my mind. Thank you Sen. Dick Durbin (D) IL. for getting the ball started on having the secret service protect Obama. Ok in case you can't guess thats sarcasm. What? why are my tax dollars going to protect a canidate for president. Due to his "popular status" and since good old Dick Durbin found some post on the internet about people sending threats due to the fact he is African American. I can't stand this. He is a canidate big deal! Any one of the people could face this problem. Well I am done I guess my tax dollars go for so many things that are stupid but this just seems to really boil my blood. Oh and last I heard it is costing 200 million dollars for this protection. I hope my dollar amount is not off to much. Any thoughts from others on this.
    Last edited by TommyF; 05-09-2007, 10:51 AM. Reason: Had to add more.
    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

    I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6
    .

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    I am in agreement with you. There is no justifiable cause to spend tax $$on a cadidate who "chose" to run for the office. The only reason one should be protected in politics is because he feels so threatend that he simply should withdraw from the game and yet there is evidence of possible bad motive to do harm to him or her even so. Those who want to play the game should be ready to dodge or duck the territory that goes with it. It's called John Q Public on the assault so be ever so VIGILANT! Or, hire your own protection!

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    • #3
      So far as I know, the Secret Service protects every declaired candidate for President of the US. It's not a special perk for Obama.
      "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
      -Friedrich Nietzsche

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bing_Oh View Post
        So far as I know, the Secret Service protects every declaired candidate for President of the US. It's not a special perk for Obama.
        Bingo.....we have a winner......

        One only needs to check out Public Law 90-331 which was passed by Congress in 1968 after RFK's assassination.

        It authorizes the protection of major presidential and vice presidential candidates and nominees. This same law also covers protection of the widows of presidents until death or remarriage, and their children until age 16.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bing_Oh View Post
          So far as I know, the Secret Service protects every declaired candidate for President of the US. It's not a special perk for Obama.

          Usually not quite this early though...Apparently though they had enough credible information to start his coverage early. Better off this way, if someone DID hit him all we'd hear is about how he was hung out with no protection beacuse of his race.

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          • #6
            Margaret and Tommy...this has got to among the most stupid posts I have read on this site. Bravo.

            Having a beef with federal protection for our legislators and public government figures. That tops some things.

            There are morons in this country that think he went to a MADRASSA and is a FANATICAL MUSLIM! Morons! I have to underscore MORONS. Do you honestly think in a country with almost 300 million people that a couple might be motivated to harm him for just that reason? Now I can't imagine how many foaming at the mouth racists there are that hate black people in this country. I don't think it is overreaction or an unnecessary expense to protect people who are in field of public service at such high levels. Our money pays for the president's protection. I don't like what this administration has done in office at all but it does not bother me one bit that my money protects their lives.

            Some people need to grow up. Some things are more important that political bickering.
            -I don't feel you honor someone by creating a physical gesture (the salute). You honor them by holding them in memory and, in law enforcement, proceeding in vigilant, ethical police work. You honor this country or deceased soldiers or whatever you're honoring when you salute a flag by thinking, feeling, and continuing a life of freedom.

            --ArkansasRed24

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bearcat357 View Post
              One only needs to check out Public Law 90-331 which was passed by Congress in 1968 after RFK's assassination.

              It authorizes the protection of major presidential and vice presidential candidates and nominees. This same law also covers protection of the widows of presidents until death or remarriage, and their children until age 16.
              But notice that Secret Service protection does not go on for former Vice-Presidents.

              An officer in my previous squad has a husband who is a manager for a major sporting goods chain here in L.A. One night, Al & Tipper Gore walk in to shop. I asked her how many were in the protection detail...she said, according to her husband, there were NONE! The Gores arrived and drove away in their own, personal car.

              I was incredulous and immediatly looked up the USSS website and, sure enough, unless the current Prez orders it, no former VP is given a protection detail.

              So that guy, in line ahead of you at any fast-food drive-through, or thumbing through the soft-porn magazines at the 7-11, may at one time, been just a heartbeat away from being the leader of the free world!
              "You're never fully dressed without a smile."

              Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

              Three things I know for sure: (1) No bad deed goes unrewarded, (2) No good deed goes unpunished, and (3) It is entirely possible to push the most devoted, loyal and caring person beyond the point where they no longer give a 5h!t.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by djack16 View Post
                Some people need to grow up. Some things are more important that political bickering.
                Quite a statement, given that particular avatar...oh, well.:rolleyes

                Why is it that people who mock Bush are "patriotic dissenters" while those who mock the left/(so-called) progressives/liberals are "mean-spirited"...or in the vernacular of the streets "haters."
                Last edited by Kieth M.; 05-10-2007, 06:22 PM. Reason: Wasn't finished!
                "You're never fully dressed without a smile."

                Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

                Three things I know for sure: (1) No bad deed goes unrewarded, (2) No good deed goes unpunished, and (3) It is entirely possible to push the most devoted, loyal and caring person beyond the point where they no longer give a 5h!t.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kieth M. View Post
                  But notice that Secret Service protection does not go on for former Vice-Presidents.

                  An officer in my previous squad has a husband who is a manager for a major sporting goods chain here in L.A. One night, Al & Tipper Gore walk in to shop. I asked her how many were in the protection detail...she said, according to her husband, there were NONE! The Gores arrived and drove away in their own, personal car.

                  I was incredulous and immediatly looked up the USSS website and, sure enough, unless the current Prez orders it, no former VP is given a protection detail.

                  So that guy, in line ahead of you at any fast-food drive-through, or thumbing through the soft-porn magazines at the 7-11, may at one time, been just a heartbeat away from being the leader of the free world!

                  Get this...in 1998, Congress passed a law (Public Law 103-329) that make it so that a sitting Prez only gets 10 years of protection after leaving office.

                  Slick Willie is grandfathered in......but Bush won't be. In 2019 he will lose USSS protection.......

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                  • #10
                    Wow djack16 way to articulate your point on being a stupid post. I could stoop to your level and make some stupid remark about how dumb liberals are and I would rather jump off a cliff that vote for a DemoRAT but I won't. As for what the others have said I learned something new today. I guess I was unaware that USSS protection was given to the canidates. I am just fired up due to the fact that it's early in the race or I should say real early in the race and such a stink is made over this guy. My own political views aside part of the beauty of this country is people are allowed to speak their mind no matter how outrageous or even stupid it may sound. Does that really justify this type of protection?

                    I will ask another question? Does anyone really think this type of protection this early would be provided to a canidate had he not been so far out in the public eye. It just seems at least here in Illinois he was and is all over the news. If he was just "Joe Blow" who was a canidate for president and he received a handfull of death threats would the same courtesy be extended?

                    As if this needs to be said I just noticed your age djack and that your NOT the police. That expalins a great deal. IF you ever do become the police your political views may change.
                    Last edited by TommyF; 05-11-2007, 06:34 PM. Reason: Had to add a note.
                    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

                    I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6
                    .

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TommyF View Post
                      I will ask another question? Does anyone really think this type of protection this early would be provided to a canidate had he not been so far out in the public eye. It just seems at least here in Illinois he was and is all over the news. If he was just "Joe Blow" who was a canidate for president and he received a handfull of death threats would the same courtesy be extended?
                      I guess the question you should ask is, logically, would a candidate who isn't "so far out in the public eye" need or ask for this kind of protection this early in the race? I mean, if you think about it, the kind of nutjob that would assassinate a persidential candidate usually chooses a high-profile candidate. Adolph from the National Nazi Restoration Party, who's sure to garner all of three votes at election time, isn't going to attract the psychos like Obama because of the simple differences in recognition.

                      I would assume that the USSS has criteria for when, where, and in what force they protect presidential candidates leading up to the election. I would also assume that those criteria are well-guarded secrets and that they wouldn't discuss them, so we can only speculate what it would take to get USSS protection for a candidate this far before the election.
                      "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
                      -Friedrich Nietzsche

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                      • #12
                        Good point Bing, I would be curious to know what degree this whole threat issue has, or was taken to as to receive such protection already but as you stated for obvious reasons we will not know.
                        "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

                        I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6
                        .

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kieth M. View Post
                          Quite a statement, given that particular avatar...oh, well.:rolleyes

                          Why is it that people who mock Bush are "patriotic dissenters" while those who mock the left/(so-called) progressives/liberals are "mean-spirited"...or in the vernacular of the streets "haters."
                          A statement that is true. Certain people here think it's wrong to fund protection for Obama because he's on "the other side." I don't think sides matter when someone's safety is in jeopardy.

                          Get off the cross pal, Bush mockers and liberal mockers have been called everything under the sun by their adversaries.
                          As if this needs to be said I just noticed your age djack and that your NOT the police. That expalins a great deal. IF you ever do become the police your political views may change.
                          I spent my teenage years into adulthood volunteering with the department in my hometown and learned enough to make the decision to enter the field. There is obviously still a lot to learn but as far as political views changing, I doubt that. The people I met were either liberal or conservative when they went in and stayed that way.
                          -I don't feel you honor someone by creating a physical gesture (the salute). You honor them by holding them in memory and, in law enforcement, proceeding in vigilant, ethical police work. You honor this country or deceased soldiers or whatever you're honoring when you salute a flag by thinking, feeling, and continuing a life of freedom.

                          --ArkansasRed24

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by djack16 View Post
                            Certain people here think it's wrong to fund protection for Obama because he's on "the other side." I don't think sides matter when someone's safety is in jeopardy.
                            So the posters criticizing Obama, or the practice of protecting him, didn't realize it was a federal law. Okay, many of us who don't like a couple of the Dem candidates, and could be considered "on the right", have taken steps to reasonably and respectfully inform the others as to the law.

                            On the other hand, you gotta' wonder, that any declared, viable, candidate of substance, no doubt, has the $$$ to pay for his/her own security. No doubt they already have private gun-toters working for them, in addition to, or alongside, the USSS.

                            Okay, pal?
                            Last edited by Kieth M.; 05-15-2007, 08:02 AM. Reason: Check my own factoid...I was wrong!
                            "You're never fully dressed without a smile."

                            Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

                            Three things I know for sure: (1) No bad deed goes unrewarded, (2) No good deed goes unpunished, and (3) It is entirely possible to push the most devoted, loyal and caring person beyond the point where they no longer give a 5h!t.

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                            • #15
                              Okay, so Obama has protection. Big deal. You don't see anyone getting all peeved over the fact that Bush has screwed this country into the ground faster than a redneck on their sister. Left, right, who cares. I vote for the person I personally feel is the best choice, period. Obama is the favorite in the democratic party, so they're inclined to push alittle harder for him to have protection. Hilary obviously has hers still from the Oval Office Pimp husband of hers. Why don't you go worry if Rudolph or McCain or the lackey's in the republican tent have protection. If tax money is being "wasted" on them too. I would rather my money pay for his protection anyways since then it means less money for Bush to screw up with.

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