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  • Ellis Islands on the border?

    Why not have several Ellis Island towns on the border?

    The federal Government would only need to build roads, office and medical buildings for processing, a few barracks for those who can't afford a hotel, and a housing development for employees and there families, who will, of course, live outside one of the gates. Everything north-, east-, and westward will need to be walled and gated, so that passports, etc., can be checked.

    Food would be provided, both cheap and free, with coupons that are good throughout the year. Hotels will be built. Everyone will be glad to be associated with "Arriving Here." Credit, mortgage, and insurance businesses, as well as employment agencies, will of course need to go through a careful approval process, but they will be there.


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    Then, when legal entry is quick, easy, and doesn't require bribes inside of Mexico, the illegal influx will slow to mostly the dangerous criminals, there will probably be few enough for the border parole to deal with, and they should definitely be considered free to use more aggressive means, and can more safely combat those who are launching an OFFENCE! against anything in uniform near OUR BORDERS! .
    Last edited by pvtbuddie; 05-01-2006, 01:50 PM.
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    This Just In:
    They already exist! They are called Ports of Entry (POE), fully staffed with knowledgable, friendly, CBP officers. Most are open 24/7/365. If you have all the paperwork, you can be processed in hours, not days.

    The problem? Most of the Mexican immigrants don't want to be bothered with entering legally. This is the first migration that does not want to be AMERICANS. They want to speak Spanish, take from us (health care, welfare, etc.) and send money to Mexico, and not obey our laws about entry, smuggling, registering and insuring their cars, or any of our legal requirments. They want to violate our laws, and not be punished for it.
    In short their attitude is "Laws? We don't have to obey your stinking laws!"
    Last edited by Sleuth; 04-28-2006, 02:51 PM.
    "A man who has nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the existing of better men than himself."
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    • #3
      Are they well publicized? I've only heard of them as a place normally at an airport where you can go to pay your fine, and to get in line for citizenship.
      "The back of the line."

      How many miles apart are they on the border?

      What happens if you just show up, with nothing? With only a birth certificate?
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      • #4
        Yes, they are the places where persons wanting to legally enter this country go. They range from (and I have worked at) one lane POE like Sasabe, AZ (8AM to 10 PM), to the worlds largest land border crossing, San Ysidro CA with 18 lanes, 24/7/365.

        If you show up with a birth certificate and want to apply for legal residence, you will be turned away. They should start at a U.S. Consulate or the Embassy, and not even come to a POE until their application has been approved. Legal entrants know this. Illegals (Wets), don't want to be bothered.

        Have some fun, call the Mexican Consulate/Embassy, and see what they require to live in Mexico - like a job, for starters.
        "A man who has nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the existing of better men than himself."
        John Stuart Mill

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        • #5
          They should start at a U.S. Consulate or the Embassy, and not even come to a POE until their application has been approved.
          How long does that take?

          And how many are on the take?
          That could raise both the cost of getting here and the time needed. You would probably find out who wants bribes by your paperwork getting kicked back.
          Last edited by pvtbuddie; 05-01-2006, 01:46 PM.
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          • #6
            How many Mexican are on the take ? Most of them.

            How many U.S. Consular officers? Perhaps 1 in 500

            And you want us to build hotels for these applicants, and feed them at taxpayer expense? Not in my lifetime!

            How long does it take? Go to the BP or State Deptarment web site and ask.
            "A man who has nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the existing of better men than himself."
            John Stuart Mill

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            • #7
              No.


              The federal Government would only need to build roads, office and medical buildings for processing, a few barracks for those who can't afford a hotel, and a housing development for employees and there families, who will, of course, live outside one of the gates. Everything north-, east-, and westward will need to be walled and gated, so that passports, etc., can be checked.

              Food would be provided, both cheap and free, with coupons that are good throughout the year. Hotels will be built. Everyone will be glad to be associated with "Arriving Here." Credit, mortgage, and insurance businesses, as well as employment agencies, will of course need to go through a careful approval process, but they will be there.
              It's called commercialism. It's what they're coming here for.
              Last edited by pvtbuddie; 05-01-2006, 01:45 PM.
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              • #8
                I don't know if you studied our system of Governemnt, but when the Government builds, it uses my tax dollars - and yours! And who pays for the "free (or cheap) food"? Taxpayers, again. So, you would have us provide free lodging and food to folks who would then have NO incentive to leave!
                Since the illiagls have no money, who pays to stay in the hotels? They have no credit, so no mortgages (I do mortgage loans), and with no ties to this country and no jobs, they can't get any credit.
                PVT., go back and study American History, Economics 101, and then consider your agrument.

                Edited to add: This is the first migration of people who do NOT want to become part of our country - to learn English, become citizens, etc. They want what we can provide (jobs, welfare benifits, health care), but they want to keep their Mexican identity. Let them - IN MEXICO!
                Last edited by Sleuth; 04-30-2006, 02:45 PM.
                "A man who has nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the existing of better men than himself."
                John Stuart Mill

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                • #9
                  McDonald's, Pizza Hut, and Golden Corral will be glad to provide the food to that many future faithful customers! I suspect that there will also be many pro-immigration groups doing the welcome wagon thing.

                  Some will show up needing free lodging, and I don't see the current USA voters leaving that job to charity, but cheap barracks will suffice.

                  And you can get 0 down, 0 interest for the first five months, as soon as you get your first job with direct deposit. Or maybe stick a twenty in the bank, but I'm not sure that I would let those companies into the compound.
                  Last edited by pvtbuddie; 05-01-2006, 01:44 PM.
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                  • #10
                    Pvt, those "Zero down Zero Interest" loans go to people with 800+ credit scores and cash in the bank, and jobs. These people have none of that. And fast food chains will feed them once, but not forever.
                    If the pro-immigration groups want to do these, let them - IN MEXICO! That way we don't have to pay for their medical care. Plus, if they want tpo leave the "compound" in Mexico, they can. Up here, they would just disappear into our society.
                    WHY should my tax dollars go to house & feed people who do not want to be part of this country? You still are avoiding that question.
                    "A man who has nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the existing of better men than himself."
                    John Stuart Mill

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                    • #11
                      Try spell check pvt! That would be a good place to start.

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                      • #12
                        Done. Is that easier to read?
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                        • #13
                          They are coming. Whether they come legally or not, they are coming.
                          To get them to come legally, we have to compete with the coyotes.

                          Yes, this means deterrents. Yes, I think there should be felony results for second illegal entry, especially when done in such a way that (inadvertently, and probably ignorantly, I'll gladly concede that) provides cloud cover for drug dealers. And the fact that they are making these people hard to find and harder to fight should be advertised to them before they come here, and certainly made clear during their first deportation, before they have a chance to do the same thing again.

                          But if we want to compete, we still need to provide a reasonably low cost and user friendly product. It's just like free range chicken. Anyone who looks can see that our 2' X 2' "factory" chicken coops and our mass slaughter houses are wrong, but unless 1. these places are shown to us, 2. the free range and kind kill chicken is put in the Wal-Mart, not the health store, fridges, and 3. the price is at least affordable, people simply will not buy it. And most of us won't simply stop buying the factory chicken, either. Yes, illegal entry endangers other people's lives, but if this expense is accrued in an attempt to improve your children's future, and to such a degree, it still makes the decision harder than whether to put a certain bird on your table. Especially when you're used to the idea that the bureaucracy is there to help the bureaucrats, and at your great expense.
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                          • #14
                            uh,...bump
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                            • #15
                              Compete for immigration? You need to do some research. The 7 year wait legal migrants endure is because so many people WANT to come here. Wetbacks come because they are not concerned with our laws - any of our laws. Let them join the line of thousands of drug free, non-criminal, educated people waiting to enter this country, rather than try to make it more attractive to those who decide to violate our laws.

                              They should stay in Mexico and improve THAT country, rather than taking from OUR country.
                              "A man who has nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the existing of better men than himself."
                              John Stuart Mill

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