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    Hello, I am enrolled in a Procedures of the Criminal Justic system class and I am required to know in detail certain procedures of a criminal trial. I am now studying the Arraignment process, and I came across the different pleas the defendent could enter. One of these I cannot seem to clarify which is the plea of former judgement of conviction or aquittal. This means that if the defendent committed a crime that falls in state as well as federal jurisdiction, he or she may be tried by both jurisdictions without being in violation of the 4th ammendment double jeopardy rule.

    Ok, I understand the concept of Double Jeopardy in State jurisdiction alone, but it is not clear in my text book whether or not the defendent can be tried on the exact same charge in federal court as he/she was in state court. Does this mean that the defendent will be charged with the same crime in federal court as he/she was in state court, or does the 4th ammendment still protect the defendent and they have to try him/her for another different charge?

    sorry if this question is boring or if nobody knows. but thanks for looking lol.

  • #2
    Look up the Rodney King situation and you will see how they get around double jeopardy.

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    • #3
      There are three conditions set by the 5th amendment to envoke a double jeopardy standard.

      1) an earlier prosecution must progress to the point of jeapardy attachment
      2) the subsequent prosecution must involve the same offense
      3) and BOTH prosecutions must be brought by the SAME GOVERNMENT ENTITY

      Since both the federal government, and state government are sovereign, either and both can try a person for crimes within their jurisdiction.

      In the case of a bank robbery, both federal and state crimes are committed. The feds can try you under federal law for the same offense that the state can try you under, but even though the BG is being tried for the same offense...he is being tried by two separate and independently sovereign governments, therefore the three prong test of double jeopardy of the 5th amendment does not apply.

      ....your bank robber is up a #hit crick

      edit: Additionally...you will note that there are SEVERAL separate charges that can stem from a single illegal action...which would allow for multiple prosecutions by the SAME government entity as well....
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      • #4
        Yes, they can be charged...

        Originally posted by Toobs124
        Hello, I am enrolled in a Procedures of the Criminal Justic system class and I am required to know in detail certain procedures of a criminal trial. I am now studying the Arraignment process, and I came across the different pleas the defendent could enter. One of these I cannot seem to clarify which is the plea of former judgement of conviction or aquittal. This means that if the defendent committed a crime that falls in state as well as federal jurisdiction, he or she may be tried by both jurisdictions without being in violation of the 4th ammendment double jeopardy rule.

        Ok, I understand the concept of Double Jeopardy in State jurisdiction alone, but it is not clear in my text book whether or not the defendent can be tried on the exact same charge in federal court as he/she was in state court. Does this mean that the defendent will be charged with the same crime in federal court as he/she was in state court, or does the 4th ammendment still protect the defendent and they have to try him/her for another different charge?

        sorry if this question is boring or if nobody knows. but thanks for looking lol.
        ...in both jurisdictions. It's a different law broken, though by the same conduct. Same with civil and criminal trials.
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        • #5
          Thanks for the help guys, great info.

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          • #6
            http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/c...ment05/02.html

            DOUBLE JEOPARDY

            Development and Scope

            ''The constitutional prohibition against 'double jeopardy' was designed to protect an individual from being subjected to the hazards of trial and possible conviction more than once for an alleged offense. . . . The underlying idea, one that is deeply ingrained in at least the Anglo-American system of jurisprudence, is that the State with all its resources and power should not be allowed to make repeated attempts to convict an individual for an alleged offense, thereby subjecting him to embarrassment, expense and ordeal and compelling him to live in a continuing state of anxiety and insecurity, as well as enhancing the possibility that even though innocent he may be found guilty.'' 39 The concept of double jeopardy goes far back in history, but its development was uneven and its meaning has varied. The English development, under the influence of Coke and Blackstone, came gradually to mean that a defendant at trial could plead former conviction or former acquittal as a special plea in bar to defeat the prosecution. 40 In this country, the common-law rule was in some cases limited to this rule and in other cases extended to bar a new trial even though the former trial had not concluded in either an acquittal or a conviction. The rule's elevation to fundamental status by its inclusion in several state bills of rights following the Revolution continued the differing approaches. 41 Madison's version of the guarantee as introduced in the House of Representatives read: ''No person shall be subject, except in cases of impeachment, to more than one punishment or trial for the same offense.'' 42 Opposition in the House proceeded on the proposition that the language could be construed to prohibit a second trial after a successful appeal by a defendant and would therefore either constitute a hazard to the public by freeing the guilty or, more likely, result in a detriment to defendants because appellate courts would be loath to reverse convictions if no new trial could follow, but a motion to strike ''or trial'' from the clause failed. 43 As approved by the Senate, however, and accepted by the House for referral to the States, the present language of the clause was inserted. 44

            Throughout most of its history, this clause was binding only against the Federal Government. In Palko v. Connecticut, 45 the Court rejected an argument that the Fourteenth Amendment incorporated all the provisions of the first eight Amendments as limitations on the States and enunciated the due process theory under which most of those Amendments do now apply to the States. Some guarantees in the Bill of Rights, Justice Cardozo wrote, were so fundamental that they are ''of the very essence of the scheme of ordered liberty'' and ''neither liberty nor justice would exist if they were sacrificed.'' 46 But the double jeopardy clause, like many other procedural rights of defendants, was not so fundamental; it could be absent and fair trials could still be had. Of course, a defendant's due process rights, absent double jeopardy consideration per se, might be violated if the State ''creat[ed] a hardship so acute and shocking as to be unendurable,'' but that was not the case in Palko. 47 In Benton v. Maryland, 48 however, the Court concluded ''that the double jeopardy prohibition . . . represents a fundamental ideal in our constitutional heritage. . . . Once it is decided that a particular Bill of Rights guarantee is 'fundamental to the American scheme of justice,' . . . the same constitutional standards apply against both the State and Federal Governments.'' Therefore, the double jeopardy limitation now applies to both federal and state governments and state rules on double jeopardy, with regard to such matters as when jeopardy attaches, must be considered in the light of federal standards. 49

            In a federal system, different units of government may have different interests to serve in the definition of crimes and the enforcement of their laws, and where the different units have overlapping jurisdictions a person may engage in conduct that will violate the laws of more than one unit. 50 Although the Court had long accepted in dictum the principle that prosecution by two governments of the same defendant for the same conduct would not constitute double jeopardy, 51 it was not until United States v. Lanza 52 that the conviction in federal court of a person previously convicted in a state court for performing the same acts was sustained. ''We have here two sovereignties, deriving power from different sources, capable of dealing with the same subject-matter within the same territory . . . Each government in determining what shall be an offense against its peace and dignity is exercising its own sovereignty, not that of the other.'' 53 The ''dual sovereignty'' doctrine is not only tied into the existence of two sets of laws often serving different federal-state purposes and the now overruled principle that the double jeopardy clause restricts only the national government and not the States, 54 but it also reflects practical considerations that undesirable consequences could follow an overruling of the doctrine. Thus, a State might preempt federal authority by first prosecuting and providing for a lenient sentence (as compared to the possible federal sentence) or acquitting defendants who had the sympathy of state authorities as against federal law enforcement. 55 The application of the clause to the States has therefore worked no change in the ''dual sovereign'' doctrine. 56 Of course, when in fact two different units of the government are subject to the same sovereign, the double jeopardy clause does bar separate prosecutions by them for the same offense. 57 The dual sovereignty doctrine has also been applied to permit successive prosecutions by two states for the same conduct. 58

            The clause speaks of being put in ''jeopardy of life or limb,'' which as derived from the common law, generally referred to the possibility of capital punishment upon conviction, but it is now settled that the clause protects with regard ''to every indictment or information charging a party with a known and defined crime or misdemeanor, whether at the common law or by statute.'' 59 Despite the Clause's literal language, it can apply as well to sanctions that are civil in form if they clearly are applied in a manner that constitutes ''punishment.'' 60 Ordinarily, however, civil in rem forfeiture proceedings may not be considered punitive for purposes of double jeopardy analysis. Supp.1

            Because one prime purpose of the clause is the protection against the burden of multiple trials, a defendant who raises and loses a double jeopardy claim during pretrial or trial may immediately appeal the ruling, a rare exception to the general rule prohibiting appeals from nonfinal orders. 61

            During the 1970s especially, the Court decided an uncommonly large number of cases raising double jeopardy claims. 62 Instead of the clarity that often emerges from intense consideration of a particular issue, however, double jeopardy doctrine has descended into a state of ''confusion,'' with the Court acknowledging that its decisions ''can hardly be characterized as models of consistency and clarity.'' 63 In large part, the re-evaluation of doctrine and principle has not resulted in the development of clear and consistent guidelines because of the differing emphases of the Justices upon the purposes of the clause and the consequent shifting coalition of majorities based on highly technical distinctions and individualistic fact patterns. Thus, some Justices have expressed the belief that the purpose of the clause is only to protect final judgments relating to culpability, either of acquittal or conviction, and that English common law rules designed to protect the defendant's right to go to the first jury picked had early in our jurisprudence become confused with the double jeopardy clause. While they accept the present understanding, they do so as part of the Court's superintending of the federal courts and not because the understanding is part and parcel of the clause; in so doing, of course, they are likely to find more prosecutorial discretion in the trial process. 64 Oth ers have expressed the view that the clause not only protects the integrity of final judgments but, more important, that it protects the accused against the strain and burden of multiple trials, which would also enhance the ability of government to convict. 65 Still other Justices have engaged in a form of balancing of defendants' rights with society's rights to determine when reprosecution should be permitted when a trial ends prior to a final judgment not hinged on the defendant's culpability. 66 Thus, the basic area of disagreement, though far from the only one, centers on the trial from the attachment of jeopardy to the final judgment.

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            • #7
              Footnotes

              [Footnote 39] Green v. United States, 355 U.S. 184, 187 -88 (1957). The passage is often approvingly quoted by the Court. E.g., Crist v. Bretz, 437 U.S. 28, 35 (1978); United States v. DiFrancesco, 449 U.S. 117, 127 - 28 (1980). For a comprehensive effort to assess the purposes of application of the clause, see Westen & Drubel, Toward a General Theory of Double Jeopardy, 1978 Sup. Ct. Rev. 81.

              [Footnote 40] M. Friedland, Double Jeopardy (1969), part 1; Crist v. Bretz, 437 U.S. 28, 32 -36 (1978), and id. at 40 (Justice Powell dissenting); United States v. Wilson, 420 U.S. 332, 340 (1975).

              [Footnote 41] J. Sigler, Double Jeopardy--The Development of a Legal and Social Policy 21-27 (1969). The first bill of rights which expressly adopted a double jeopardy clause was the New Hampshire Constitution of 1784. ''No subject shall be liable to be tried, after an acquittal, for the same crime or offence.'' Art. I, Sec. XCI, 4 F. Thorpe, The Federal and State Constitution, reprinted in H.R. Doc. No. 357, 59th Congress, 2d Sess. 2455 (1909). A more comprehensive protection was included in the Pennsylvania Declaration of Rights of 1790, which had language almost identical to the present Fifth Amendment provision. Id. at 3100.

              [Footnote 42] 1 Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789).

              [Footnote 43] Id. at 753.

              [Footnote 44] 2 Bernard Schwartz, The Bill of Rights: A Documentary History 1149, 1165 (1971). In Crist v. Bretz, 437 U.S. 28, 40 (1978) (dissenting), Justice Powell attributed to inadvertence the broadening of the ''rubric'' of double jeopardy to incorporate the common law rule against dismissal of the jury prior to verdict, a question the majority passed over as being ''of academic interest only.'' Id. at 34 n.10.

              [Footnote 45] 302 U.S. 319 (1937).

              [Footnote 46] Id. at 325, 326.

              [Footnote 47] Id. at 328.

              [Footnote 48] 395 U.S. 784, 794 -95 (1969).

              [Footnote 49] Crist v. Bretz, 437 U.S. 28, 37 -38 (1978). But see id. at 40 (Justices Powell and Rehnquist and Chief Justice Burger dissenting) (standard governing States should be more relaxed).

              [Footnote 50] The problem was recognized as early as Houston v. Moore, 18 U.S. (5 Wheat.) 1 (1820), and the rationale of the doctrine was confirmed within thirty years. Fox v. Ohio, 46 U.S. (5 How.) 410 (1847); United States v. Marigold, 50 U.S. (9 How.) 560 (1850); Moore v. Illinois, 55 U.S. (14 How.) 13 (1852).

              [Footnote 51] Id. And see cases cited in Bartkus v. Illinois, 359 U.S. 121, 132 n.19 (1959), and Abbate v. United States, 359 U.S. 187, 192 -93 (1959).

              [Footnote 52] 260 U.S. 377 (1922).

              [Footnote 53] Id. at 382. See also Hebert v. Louisiana, 272 U.S. 312 (1924); Screws v. United States, 325 U.S. 91, 108 (1945); Jerome v. United States, 318 U.S. 101 (1943).

              [Footnote 54] Benton v. Maryland, 395 U.S. 784 (1969), extended the clause to the States.

              [Footnote 55] Reaffirmation of the doctrine against double jeopardy claims as to the Federal Government and against due process claims as to the States occurred in Abbate v. United States, 359 U.S. 187 (1959), and Bartkus v. Illinois, 359 U.S. 121 (1959), both cases containing extensive discussion and policy analyses. The Justice Department follows a policy of generally not duplicating a state prosecution brought and carried out in good faith, see Petite v. United States, 361 U.S. 529, 531 (1960); Rinaldi v. United States, 434 U.S. 22 (1977), and several provisions of federal law forbid a federal prosecution following a state prosecution. E.g., 18 U.S.C. Sec. Sec. 659, 660, 1992, 2117. The Brown Commission recommended a general statute to this effect, preserving discretion in federal authorities to proceed upon certification by the Attorney General that a United States interest would be unduly harmed if there were no federal prosecution. National Commission on Reform of Federal Criminal Laws, Final Report 707 (1971).

              [Footnote 56] United States v. Wheeler, 435 U.S. 313 (1978) (dual sovereignty doctrine permits federal prosecution of an Indian for statutory rape following his plea of guilty in a tribal court to contributing to the delinquency of a minor, both charges involving the same conduct; tribal law stemmed from the retained sovereignty of the tribe and did not flow from the Federal Government).

              [Footnote 57] Grafton v. United States, 206 U.S. 333 (1907) (trial by military court-martial precluded subsequent trial in territorial court); Waller v. Florida, 397 U.S. 387 (1970) (trial by municipal court precluded trial for same offense by state court). It was assumed in an early case that refusal to answer questions before one House of Congress could be punished as a contempt by that body and by prosecution by the United States under a misdemeanor statute, In re Chapman, 166 U.S. 661, 672 (1897), but there had been no dual proceedings in that case and it seems highly unlikely that the case would now be followed. Cf. Colombo v. New York, 405 U.S. 9 (1972).

              [Footnote 58] Heath v. Alabama, 474 U.S. 82 (1985) (defendant crossed state line in course of kidnap murder, was prosecuted for murder in both states).

              [Footnote 59] Ex parte Lange, 85 U.S. (18 Wall.) 163, 169 (1874). The clause generally has no application in noncriminal proceedings. Helvering v. Mitchell, 303 U.S. 391 (1938).

              [Footnote 60] The clause applies in juvenile court proceedings which are formally civil. Breed v. Jones, 421 U.S. 519 (1975). See also United States v. Halper, 490 U.S. 435 (1989) (civil penalty under the False Claims Act constitutes punishment if it is overwhelmingly disproportionate to compensating the government for its loss, and if it can be explained only as serving retributive or deterrent purposes); Montana Dep't of Revenue v. Kurth Ranch, 114 S. Ct. 1937 (1994) (tax on possession of illegal drugs, ''to be collected only after any state or federal fines or forfeitures have been satisfied,'' constitutes punishment for purposes of double jeopardy).

              [Footnote 1 (1996 Supplement)] United States v. Ursery, 116 S. Ct. 2135 (1996) (forfeitures, pursuant to 19 U.S.C. Sec. 981 and 21 U.S.C. Sec. 881, of property used in drug and money laundering offenses, are not punitive). The Court in Ursery applied principles that had been set forth in Various Items of Personal Property v. United States, 282 U.S. 577 (1931) (forfeiture of distillery used in defrauding government of tax on spirits); One Lot Emerald Cut Stones v. United States, 409 U.S. 232 (1972) (per curiam) (forfeiture of jewels brought into United States without customs declaration); and United States v. One Assortment of 89 Firearms, 465 U.S. 354 (1984) (forfeiture, pursuant to 18 U.S.C. Sec. 924(d), of firearms ''used or intended to be used in'' firearms offenses). A two-part inquiry is followed. First, the Court inquires whether Congress intended the forfeiture proceeding to be civil or criminal. Then, if Congress intended that the proceeding be civil, the court determines whether there is nonetheless the ''clearest proof'' that the sanction is ''so punitive'' as to transform it into a criminal penalty. 89 Firearms, supra, 465 U.S. at 366.

              [Footnote 61] Abney v. United States, 431 U.S. 651 (1977).

              [Footnote 62] See United States v. DiFrancesco, 449 U.S. 117, 126 -27 (1980) (citing cases).

              [Footnote 63] Burks v. United States, 437 U.S. 1, 9 , 15 (1978). One result is instability in the law. Thus, Burks overruled, to the extent inconsistent, four cases decided between 1950 and 1960, and United States v. Scott, 437 U.S. 82 (1978), overruled a case decided just three years earlier, United States v. Jenkins, 420 U.S. 358 (1975).

              [Footnote 64] See Crist v. Bretz, 437 U.S. 28, 40 (1978) (dissenting opinion). Justice Powell, joined by Chief Justice Burger and Justice Rehnquist, argued that with the double jeopardy clause so interpreted the due process clause could be relied on to prevent prosecutorial abuse during the trial designed to abort the trial and obtain a second one. Id. at 50. All three have joined, indeed, in some instances, have authored, opinions adverting to the role of the double jeopardy clause in protecting against such prosecutorial abuse. E.g., United States v. Scott, 437 U.S 82, 92-94 (1978); Oregon v. Kennedy, 456 U.S. 667 (1982) (but narrowing scope of concept).

              [Footnote 65] United States v. Scott, 437 U.S. 82, 101 (1978) (dissenting opinion) (Justices Brennan, White, Marshall, and Stevens).

              [Footnote 66] Thus, Justice Blackmun has enunciated positions recognizing a broad right of defendants much like the position of the latter three Justices, Crist v. Bretz, 437 U.S. 28, 38 (1978) (concurring), and he joined Justice Stevens' concurrence in Oregon v. Kennedy, 456 U.S. 667, 681 (1982), but he also joined the opinions in United States v. Scott, 437 U.S. 82 (1978), and Arizona v. Washington, 434 U.S. 497 (1978) (Justice Blackmun concurring only in the result).

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              • #8
                Originally posted by zap
                In the case of a bank robbery, both federal and state crimes are committed. The feds can try you under federal law for the same offense that the state can try you under, but even though the BG is being tried for the same offense...he is being tried by two separate and independently sovereign governments, therefore the three prong test of double jeopardy of the 5th amendment does not apply.

                ....your bank robber is up a #hit crick
                Yeah! That made my day reading that. Sad, I know. But after working 8 hours and then going to school myself, anything will float my boat.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by savage4presiden
                  Yeah! That made my day reading that. Sad, I know. But after working 8 hours and then going to school myself, anything will float my boat.
                  LOL glad I was able to help!
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