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  • #31
    Originally posted by pkagel
    Moral or immoral, why do we need to worry about it. Cheating on your spouse is immoral, do you propose we make it illegal. Their is lot of stuff that is immoral that is legal, why should people worry about what others do that doesn't hurt them in any way what so ever. FWIW, I'm quite right wing but I'm very libertarian so I really confuse my left wing friends.
    We've been fine without gay marriage since our country's founding, why do we need to start now? Besides, the majority oppose gay marriage and that's a fact. It's also a perversion.

    From: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in601828.shtml

    "In a CBS News poll conducted immediately after President Bush endorsed a constitutional ban on gay marriage, 59% of Americans said they would favor an amendment to the Constitution that would "allow marriage only between a man and a woman," up slightly from 55% last December.

    In a separate question that asked if they would support a constitutional amendment that would "allow marriage only between a man and a women and outlaw marriages between people of the same sex," support declines, but 51% would still support such an amendment."

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    • #32
      Sorry to take it further off topic

      Originally posted by savage4presiden

      So, all you liberal idiots have something to consider.
      Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm a liberal or an idiot. FYI I tend to vote Republican but I have middle in road views.
      Not to mention I do not agree with the Gay lifestyle but it doesn't hurt me, how does it affect you? You mnetion AIDS being a largely gay disease. Look outside fo your own borders, I'm sure the majoirty of the stricken people are gay.

      It's also a perversion.
      Please explain why it is?

      TGY
      Last edited by That Guy; 07-06-2005, 06:12 PM.
      Disclaimer: The writer does not represent any organization, employer, entity or other individual. The views expressed are those only of the writer. In the case of a sarcastic, facetious, nonsensical, stirring-the-pot, controversial or devil's advocate-type post, the views expressed may not even reflect those of the writer [This sig stolen from Brickcop who stole it from Frank Booth].

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      • #33
        Savage:It's also a perversion.

        That Guy:Please explain why it is?
        I really don't care to discuss what gays do in the bedroom. And I don't care to give them special rights either.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by savage4presiden
          I really don't care to discuss what gays do in the bedroom. And I don't care to give them special rights either.
          What special rights would you deny them?
          Retired

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          • #35
            Originally posted by retired
            What special rights would you deny them?
            Just gay marriage.

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            • #36
              So marriage is a special right. Plenty of people with no business getting married do it, need I say Brittany Spears. For you older guys, Elizabeth Taylor, LOL
              Why should two people dedicated to eachother not be able to visit eachother in the hospital and make decisions on their behalf. This country was founded with people of different races not being able to be married, not being able to fight next to eachother in WWII, ect, ect. Nobody said you have to approve of their lifestyle, heck, I don't approve of a lot of legal things out there. Helmet laws for one. Is somebody stupid to ride w/o one, yep, will I ticket them for it, yep, do I agree w/ the law, nope.
              "Respect for religion must be reestablished. Public debt should be reduced. The arrogance of public officials must be curtailed. Assistance to foreign lands must be stopped or we shall bankrupt ourselves. The people should be forced to work and not depend on government for subsistence." - Cicero, 60 B.C.

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              • #37
                I'll tell you why gay marriage is a special right and why it is totally different from interracial marriage.

                First of all, gays want the right to marry. Whoopiiiiiyyyyy KIAIAIAAAAA! You might say. But they already have the right to marry. They can marry any member of the opposite sex just like any straight can, and does, and loves. Therefore, there is no discrimination because all people, gay/straight, have the right to marry. Gays want gay marriage. That's what makes their right special and unequal. I thought America was about equality. You guys want to make it about getting what you want just because you want it, instead.

                Interracial marriage is not even related to this subject. It is still based on marrying someone of the opposite sex in the example you gave in colonial times.
                Last edited by savage4presiden; 07-06-2005, 07:11 PM.

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                • #38
                  That's funny because some of our pounding I mean founding fathers liked the cock.

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                  • #39
                    What are you talking about?

                    What's the matter? You can't bring up the founding fathers except to discredit their names?
                    Last edited by savage4presiden; 07-06-2005, 09:27 PM.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by savage4presiden
                      It's the moral right against the immoral/amoral left. What's new.
                      Yeah, because I don't have enough to do I want to be the bedroom police. Morals is a matter of personal belief. My morals are obviously not on par with yours. For example, I believe that anyone that tries to push their morals on me is violating one of my basic human freedoms. Fine, your religion says gays shouldn't marry. My religion (Zen-Buddhism) says that a man should not purchase or sell alcohol. Quid pro quo. I'll agree to your laws banning gay marriage if can get all the Christians to stop buying or selling liquor.

                      Originally posted by savage4presiden
                      Since when do you get to dictate the standards in America.
                      Since when do you?

                      Originally posted by savage4presiden
                      Btw, gay marriage legislation was voted on in eleven states and only Mass., the bastion of liberal virtues (vices actually), passed it.
                      Call me crazy, but I like to pause and look at both sides of an issue and form a rational, logical opinion about it rather than vomit up what pundits in my favorite political party tell me to think. *shrug*

                      Originally posted by savage4presiden
                      Everywhere else it was voted down overwhemlingly.
                      Freedom of Slaves was voted down in it's day as well. Does that mean it's wrong?

                      Originally posted by savage4presiden
                      So, all you liberal idiots have something to consider. Either you are vastly outnumbered and are on the brink of extinction, or, you must realize that liberal and conservative alike do not like gay marriage.
                      First off, I consider myself conservative more than anything, and you're making us look bad. I've said it once and I'll say it again: In a friendly debate, the insult is the last refuge of a weak arguement. Quit trying to sound like Michael Savage (who I believe is a moron, btw) and think for yourself for once. I'm conservative. Most of my friends are conservative and guess what? I have better things to do than worry about what two consenting adults decide to do. If two people love each other, let them get married. If it offends you be a good Christian and turn the other cheek.
                      And don't give me any crap about marriage being a sacred institution. I got 3 words for you: Jacko and Lisa Marie. Now tell me how sacred marriage is.
                      The importantance or unimportance of anything relies on the individuals.
                      You have no right to take away those freedoms. You want a Theocracy? Move to the middle east.
                      Last edited by Centurion44; 07-06-2005, 11:17 PM.
                      You have no right to not be offended.-Neal Boortz

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Stonie
                        That's funny because some of our pounding I mean founding fathers liked the cock.

                        Stop it Stonie, you are going to kill him!

                        TGY
                        Disclaimer: The writer does not represent any organization, employer, entity or other individual. The views expressed are those only of the writer. In the case of a sarcastic, facetious, nonsensical, stirring-the-pot, controversial or devil's advocate-type post, the views expressed may not even reflect those of the writer [This sig stolen from Brickcop who stole it from Frank Booth].

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                        • #42
                          Yeah, because I don't have enough to do I want to be the bedroom police. Morals is a matter of personal belief. My morals are obviously not on par with yours. For example, I believe that anyone that tries to push their morals on me is violating one of my basic human freedoms. Fine, your religion says gays shouldn't marry. My religion (Zen-Buddhism) says that a man should not purchase or sell alcohol. Quid pro quo. I'll agree to your laws banning gay marriage if can get all the Christians to stop buying or selling liquor.
                          Centurion, I am not single-handedly trying to force any morals down anyones throat. About 60-70 percent of all Americans are (I wouldn't call it forcing though). Btw, if you want gay marriage so much then try your luck in congress. It won't happen not in this lifetime because the American people won't have it. There's nothing more that can be said. Face up to the truth, stop acting like you have the support of everyone in America, and realize the American people don't want gay marriage.

                          To allude to my second sentence, the American people say pretty much what you do, "I don't care what gays do with each other." That's what I say. I do have a problem with them wanting gay marriage. Why should we give 1-3 percent of the total population in America rights that the other 97-99 percent can't have? Why should we bend to special interest? Why should we even get uptight when we talk about the subject?

                          Since when do you?
                          Since when do I get to dictate the standards in America? I'm just part of the 60-70 percent that believes gay marriage should not be allowed.

                          Call me crazy, but I like to pause and look at both sides of an issue and form a rational, logical opinion about it rather than vomit up what pundits in my favorite political party tell me to think. *shrug*
                          I've thought about it plenty of times. I don't need your useless comments, they detract from the exchange.

                          Freedom of Slaves was voted down in it's day as well. Does that mean it's wrong?
                          If you think gays are under such oppression that they needed to be married yesterday, then I have one word for you: Europe.

                          First off, I consider myself conservative more than anything, and you're making us look bad.
                          How are you conservative? Are you socially conservative? Financially conservative? What sort of proof can you give me that you're conservative? Because from where I stand I don't see it. Look around, 100 percent of all conservatives agree: no gay marriage. Maybe you're just a libertarian, but that would mean you're dishonest.

                          I have better things to do than worry about what two consenting adults decide to do. If two people love each other, let them get married. If it offends you be a good Christian and turn the other cheek.
                          I guess you didn't know that most of the great society's from the past have been brought down by the degradation of family values, which gay marriage undermines.

                          In a friendly debate, the insult is the last refuge of a weak arguement. Quit trying to sound like Michael Savage (who I believe is a moron, btw) and think for yourself for once. I'm conservative.
                          If you took offense to my "liberals are idiots" phrase, then I would strongly suspect that you are not the conservative you profess to be. Sounds like you're being intellectually dishonest.

                          The importantance or unimportance of anything relies on the individuals. You have no right to take away those freedoms. You want a Theocracy? Move to the middle east.
                          You want gay marriage move to Europe.

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                          • #43
                            Hmm, and all this time I thought it was excessive taxes, LOL.

                            How can not agreeing with you make a person not conservative. Does everyone in the Republicrat party have to agree with everyone else. Where in the Constitution does congress draw it's power to regulate who marries whom? Why is marriage even sanctioned at the constitution, forgot, they left that to the states. Why do we have a Federal department of Education. Where does the Federal Gov't draw the power to mandate that my car has airbags? That isn't in there. The Federal Gov't shouldn't have any of those powers and many more than I can think of at this time. My friend, you are not truelly conservative if you think the Fed has any more power than the Constitution allows them. Read the Constitution and when your done, read the Federalist Papers then go back and re-read the Constitution. Then and only then will you find out what conservative means. The word has been so misused by the Republicrats and Democrans that neither liberal or conservative have much meaning any more. I therefore am libertarian but am not party affiliated.

                            Originally posted by savage4presiden
                            I guess you didn't know that most of the great society's from the past have been brought down by the degradation of family values, which gay marriage undermines.
                            "Respect for religion must be reestablished. Public debt should be reduced. The arrogance of public officials must be curtailed. Assistance to foreign lands must be stopped or we shall bankrupt ourselves. The people should be forced to work and not depend on government for subsistence." - Cicero, 60 B.C.

                            For California police academy notes go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CABasicPolice/

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by savage4presiden
                              Centurion, I am not single-handedly trying to force any morals down anyones throat. About 60-70 percent of all Americans are (I wouldn't call it forcing though). Btw, if you want gay marriage so much then try your luck in congress. It won't happen not in this lifetime because the American people won't have it. There's nothing more that can be said. Face up to the truth, stop acting like you have the support of everyone in America, and realize the American people don't want gay marriage.
                              I don't think it's matter of what the American people want. It's what the politicians want. To be honest, I think the majority of Americans don't really care one way or another, at least enough to get involved (I know I don't).

                              On either side of the mediocre you have the religious right and the gays. Of these two, I don't have gays trying to tell me how to live my life.

                              I do have a problem when a government tries to tell me what I can and can't do. Again, as long as I'm not intruding on anyone's life, liberty, or property, it should be legal.


                              Originally posted by savage4presiden
                              I've thought about it plenty of times. I don't need your useless comments, they detract from the exchange.
                              I agree. We could both do without them.

                              Originally posted by savage4presiden
                              If you think gays are under such oppression that they needed to be married yesterday, then I have one word for you: Europe.
                              I'm not pessimistic to the point where I think the rights for gays to be married is hopeless. At least within most states.


                              Originally posted by savage4presiden
                              How are you conservative? Are you socially conservative? Financially conservative? What sort of proof can you give me that you're conservative?
                              I don't feel the need to prove myself to you or anyone else. You can take me at my word or not, I don't care.

                              Originally posted by savage4presiden
                              Because from where I stand I don't see it. Look around, 100 percent of all conservatives agree: no gay marriage. Maybe you're just a libertarian, but that would mean you're dishonest.
                              Libertarian and Conservative are not mutually exclusive. I know Libertarians that are Liberal and I know Libertarians that are Conservative.


                              Originally posted by savage4presiden
                              I guess you didn't know that most of the great society's from the past have been brought down by the degradation of family values, which gay marriage undermines.
                              Well, again, "moral" and "value" is a relative term. Maybe I read from a different History book in school, but I thought most of our great societies of the past were brought down by self-centered dictatorships. Maybe you can cite specific examples how a breech of family values brought down a soceity?
                              But again, people have been saying the same rhetoric about pornography, television, video games, rock music, fast cars, railroads, industrialization, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and chocolate.


                              Originally posted by savage4presiden
                              If you took offense to my "liberals are idiots" phrase, then I would strongly suspect that you are not the conservative you profess to be. Sounds like you're being intellectually dishonest.
                              I am not easily offended. My point was it was too early in the ball game to start lobbing insults. Being called anything by a zealot is hardly insulting



                              Originally posted by savage4presiden
                              You want gay marriage move to Europe.
                              I would much rather fight to keep my country free, thanks.
                              You have no right to not be offended.-Neal Boortz

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                              • #45
                                Marijuana - Yes, legalize it, and tax it. I would never use it myself, but I couldn't care less if it was legalized. I would much rather deal with someone who just smoked a bowl, versus someone who just drank a 12-pack.

                                ANY other drugs.....cocaine, heroin, OC's, meth, etc., should remain forever illegal. Anyone who advocates the legalization of those drugs is either mentally ill, or has never seen the end result of them.
                                Talk sense to a fool, and he will call you foolish - Euripides

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