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  • #31
    Originally posted by FJDave View Post
    To quote Trace Adkins, "First Amendment? Son, the First Amendment protects you from the government, not from me. Say whatever you want to out there, but come within reach of me and I'll exercise my right to give you a good ol' Country ***-whoopin' is what I'll do....by God...." From the "Fighting Words" song.
    Dave,

    I believe that state laws should protect you from assaults, or at least provide consequences for the perpetrator of the assault.

    As a Leo do you support the public assaulting others for asserting a constitutional right?

    Now to perfectly clear! I personally find burning the American flag offensive, and I think it is in poor taste and bad judgement. I do not condone burning the flag. I do however support the constitution even though I may not like or agree with the SCOTUS ruling.
    Retired

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    • #32
      Was I to be working and some idiot protestors decided to burn a flag, I'd have to stand there and watch. I suppose I could become a you tube sensation and march over and take the flag away, but I'd probably get a spanking or something. I have a certain latitude I can't cross when I working and I try not to violate that limit even when the action ******es me off. On the job, I'm bound by law even when I believe the interpretation of the law is faulty.

      Was I not at work and present, I'd likely march over and take the flag away. Of course, I'd still get a spanking, but it would be the right thing to do. Off the job, I have more rights even though some off-duty actions can be used against me by my employer.

      Of course, should it happen when I'm working and someone else did that, I probably wouldn't be fast enough to catch someone punching the flag-burner upside the head and then fleeing with the flag either. Hey, I'm old and a lot slower these days. I might not even ID the suspect even after extensive man-hours of investigation. Transient crime is hard to solve.
      "Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince" - Unknown Author
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      • #33
        Originally posted by KJB View Post
        I have no problem with people burning our flag, provided they wrap themselves in it first.
        Or stuff most of it into your pants.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Scott941 View Post
          Or stuff most of it into your pants.
          Ouch!

          That would be appropriate though.
          "Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince" - Unknown Author
          ______________________________________________

          "That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves." - Thomas Jefferson
          ______________________________________________

          “There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.” - John Adams

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          • #35
            I have no problem with people burning the Flag....

            ...so long as no one has an issue with my habit of using a fire extinguisher to put it out. You're going to get very dirty, or very cold, if you're still holding it, BTW!
            "You're never fully dressed without a smile."

            Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

            Three things I know for sure: (1) No bad deed goes unrewarded, (2) No good deed goes unpunished, and (3) It is entirely possible to push the most devoted, loyal and caring person beyond the point where they no longer give a 5h!t.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Kieth M. View Post
              I have no problem with people burning the Flag....

              ...so long as no one has an issue with my habit of using a fire extinguisher to put it out. You're going to get very dirty, or very cold, if you're still holding it, BTW!



              "Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince" - Unknown Author
              ______________________________________________

              "That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves." - Thomas Jefferson
              ______________________________________________

              “There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.” - John Adams

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              • #37
                Originally posted by SRT936 View Post
                I didn't realize the Constitution forbid individuals from censoring each other...
                True. But nowhere does it say an individual can use force to censor another:

                "However I believe you should be willing to take the criticism/beatings that result."
                "And as has been said, flag burning deserves a good *** kickin........"
                "And yes, if you burn a flag around me, you deserve a beat down."
                "Was I not at work and present, I'd likely march over and take the flag away."
                "...so long as no one has an issue with my habit of using a fire extinguisher to put it out. You're going to get very dirty, or very cold, if you're still holding it, BTW!"
                "Of course, should it happen when I'm working and someone else did that, I probably wouldn't be fast enough to catch someone punching the flag-burner upside the head and then fleeing with the flag either. Hey, I'm old and a lot slower these days."

                All the above appear to advocate physical force to stop someone else's expression. Any of the above quotes, had those actions been done to an officer, would they be considered assault? And the last one advocates turning a blind eye to an assault.
                The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground." - Thomas Jefferson

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by eyesopen View Post
                  True. But nowhere does it say an individual can use force to censor another:

                  "However I believe you should be willing to take the criticism/beatings that result."
                  "And as has been said, flag burning deserves a good *** kickin........"
                  "And yes, if you burn a flag around me, you deserve a beat down."
                  "Was I not at work and present, I'd likely march over and take the flag away."
                  "...so long as no one has an issue with my habit of using a fire extinguisher to put it out. You're going to get very dirty, or very cold, if you're still holding it, BTW!"
                  "Of course, should it happen when I'm working and someone else did that, I probably wouldn't be fast enough to catch someone punching the flag-burner upside the head and then fleeing with the flag either. Hey, I'm old and a lot slower these days."

                  All the above appear to advocate physical force to stop someone else's expression. Any of the above quotes, had those actions been done to an officer, would they be considered assault? And the last one advocates turning a blind eye to an assault.

                  If someone I worked with pulled such an ignorant stunt as to burn the American flag that most of my co-workers risked their life to defend...

                  I would kick them in the nuts... If the people I work with didn't get there first.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Hoosier_Boy View Post
                    If someone I worked with pulled such an ignorant stunt as to burn the American flag that most of my co-workers risked their life to defend...

                    I would kick them in the nuts... If the people I work with didn't get there first.
                    People like flag burners thrive on attention, negative or positive. Deprive them of that attention and their voice is heard by no one. I'd walk away disgusted but would give them none of the attention they seek. Not everyone can resist taking the bait. I assume you swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution?
                    Last edited by eyesopen; 05-17-2011, 12:05 PM.
                    The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground." - Thomas Jefferson

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by M1garand View Post
                      There are limitations already put in place to your constitutional rights.

                      Can you walk into elementary school with a shirt that has print of naked man/woman?
                      Can you say anything in threatening manner to your politicians and not be arrested?
                      Can you walk around with your loaded gun anywhere and everywhere (if you are not HR218 eligible, especially)?
                      Can you finger your own butt while you are at your local park and claim that that is how you want to express yourself?

                      Constitution does not offer exclusively nor absolute freedom, but rather comes with limitations.
                      Yes you can but no you may not.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by M1garand View Post
                        There are limitations already put in place to your constitutional rights.

                        Can you walk into elementary school with a shirt that has print of naked man/woman?
                        Can you say anything in threatening manner to your politicians and not be arrested?
                        Can you walk around with your loaded gun anywhere and everywhere (if you are not HR218 eligible, especially)?
                        Can you finger your own butt while you are at your local park and claim that that is how you want to express yourself?

                        Constitution does not offer exclusively nor absolute freedom, but rather comes with limitations.

                        LMAO!!


                        Originally posted by FNA209 View Post


                        Awesome! Noone should have the right to burn the flag. The second they do their rights should be taken away...especially no police escort/protection...ON OUR F'N DIME TO BOOT!!




                        World_So_Cold

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by eyesopen View Post
                          All the above appear to advocate physical force to stop someone else's expression. Any of the above quotes, had those actions been done to an officer, would they be considered assault? And the last one advocates turning a blind eye to an assault.
                          Go ahead and express yourself. Just don't be surprised when there is consequences for your expression. Me shoving that burning flag down your throat is me expressing myself. I'm fully aware that I'll probably get arrested and charged for my expression. If you really believe in what you're expressing, you should be willing to take what's coming to you.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by SRT936 View Post
                            Go ahead and express yourself. Just don't be surprised when there is consequences for your expression. Me shoving that burning flag down your throat is me expressing myself. I'm fully aware that I'll probably get arrested and charged for my expression. If you really believe in what you're expressing, you should be willing to take what's coming to you.
                            Thanks for explaining it. Its much clearer now: Someone is free to express to express themselves around you, an LEO, if they are willing to risk having you assault them. I'm truly glad I don't see most officers making statements like that - its not exactly what I consider a positive message.
                            Last edited by eyesopen; 05-17-2011, 01:35 PM.
                            The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground." - Thomas Jefferson

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                            • #44
                              My mistake M-11....Class act M-1garand.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by retired View Post
                                Dave,

                                I believe that state laws should protect you from assaults, or at least provide consequences for the perpetrator of the assault.

                                As a Leo do you support the public assaulting others for asserting a constitutional right?

                                Now to perfectly clear! I personally find burning the American flag offensive, and I think it is in poor taste and bad judgement. I do not condone burning the flag. I do however support the constitution even though I may not like or agree with the SCOTUS ruling.
                                Yup, state law protects people from assault. I was merely quoting my favorite lyrics out from a favorite singer.

                                Also, Calif state law has a section for unlawful fires (no coffee yet...too lazy to look it up)....seems we have a small issue with forest fires here, so fires are regulated. Burning a flag would net at least one stat for me for the day (cite or arrest).

                                If nothing else, the more they try to light MY flag on fire, the more water I'd spill on it. Weird...water seems to put out fires.
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                                Originally posted by Smurfette
                                Lord have mercy. You're about as slick as the business side of duct tape.
                                Originally posted by DAL
                                You are without doubt a void surrounded by a sphincter muscle.

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