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  • FNA209
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    Supposedly, part of obama's plan is this:

    "Obama’s scheme would automatically raise taxes if politicians spend too much. According to the talking points distributed by the White House, the automatic tax increase would take effect “if, by 2014, the projected ratio of debt-to-GDP is not stabilized and declining toward the end of the decade.”

    Haven't seen a good explanation of his plan so I don't know if that is a good inference. But it sounds like a progressive mindset.

    "We need money- raise taxes. There need not be any input from the taxpayers. Who are they anyway? We know what's best for you."

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  • BigPat
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    Originally posted by -Erik- View Post
    Doesn't Paul Ryan's plan just flat out remove Social Security and Medicare? If so I want to stop paying for those things right now if I am not going to ever get to use them.
    His plan from last year reformed Social Security, the current one doesn't really address it. The new plan preserves Medicare as is for those 55 and older, and then pretty much gives the rest of us the chorizo and phases it out almost completely for those under 55.

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  • BigPat
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    Originally posted by 1042 Trooper View Post
    That's the problem - there's nothing SPECIFIC in the plan! So, one cannot take exception to any of it. Wait a minute ... maybe he's stupid like a fox?!?!?!
    Ryan's plan is also very short on specifics, especially dealing with the tax changes that he wants. It also relies on some very fuzzy math from the Heritage foundation, including absolutely ludicrous predictions for economic growth and unemployment (they assume 2.8% unemployment). The truth is that neither plan is very good, neither is going to eliminate the deficit, and neither one is even likely to be passed. The Simpson-Bowles plan is flawed but would provide a good starting point (both Ryan's and Obama's plan take some aspects of the Simpson-Bowles plan.

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  • M-11
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    I'd be happy if they called it a "Saving" plan instead of a "Spending" plan.

    hey, I'm easily pleased.

    M-11

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  • DAL
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    Originally posted by -Erik- View Post
    Can you explain what is wrong with his plan specifically?
    Do you need to ask? It is Obama's plan, and anything he says is ipso facto bad.

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  • -Erik-
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    Originally posted by 1042 Trooper View Post
    That's the problem - there's nothing SPECIFIC in the plan! So, one cannot take exception to any of it. Wait a minute ... maybe he's stupid like a fox?!?!?!
    I do not know enough about either plan to support one or the other. I would have to see the pros vs the cons.. Or even yet what third option may exist out there.

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  • jcioccke
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    If congress would follow basic business rules. If we could all just band together and tighten our belts and shut our mouths blaming each other we can beat this. Republicans and democrats BOTH did this and it's going to take BOTH to get us out of it.
    Well said Brother!!

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  • OneAdam12
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    Originally posted by Rifleguy View Post
    Unfortunately even if SS is not removed, you may not get anything after all those decades of money you put in. Serious reform on the entitlements and how they are administered and what purpose is going to have to take place and I just don't feel we have any politicians that have what it takes to lead the way.
    +1
    You do know that the congress just couldn't leave all that beautiful money just sitting in the SS fund don't you? I don't know how many times they "dipped" into it, not repaying it back. Municipalities and state governments do the same thing. The lottery was supposed to cure our education funding for our state. Instead of leaving that income just for education, they use it for any pet project they want. Now they want more taxes "earmarked" for education. I cannot print the words I'm thinking to tell them what to do with their new tax proposals.

    Our city voted for a new tax to do some more urban development, all the while the mayor was saying we will not furlough cops and firemen. Guess what? Our city is over 600 cops down from what they need to handle the calls. I talked to a MSG in the PD last night. He said he was the only cop on his beat in a section of town 20 miles by 20 miles roughly with a population of 200,000
    He said they are just going from one 911 call to the next. There is no proactive policing.



    If congress would follow basic business rules. If we could all just band together and tighten our belts and shut our mouths blaming each other we can beat this. Republicans and democrats BOTH did this and it's going to take BOTH to get us out of it.

    I also feel the presidency is not an OJT job. I heard people I would have never dreamed of voting for Obama before the election saying they were voting for him to just because they were not voting for McCain. I couldn't freaking believe it. You voted for his butt, you are now paying for it. Problem is, you're making us all pay for it.


    PERIOD!

    Sorry for the rant, my meds just hit.

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  • 1042 Trooper
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    That's the problem - there's nothing SPECIFIC in the plan! So, one cannot take exception to any of it. Wait a minute ... maybe he's stupid like a fox?!?!?!
    Originally posted by -Erik- View Post
    Can you explain what is wrong with his plan specifically?

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  • Southflaguy
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    Originally posted by jcioccke View Post
    I think some are waking up to what's going on. My Brother who voted for this train wreck of a President admitted that he is not a great President. I almost choked on my beer when he admitted that. Left me with some hope.
    Not everyone is waking up...

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  • Rifleguy
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    Originally posted by -Erik- View Post
    Doesn't Paul Ryan's plan just flat out remove Social Security and Medicare? If so I want to stop paying for those things right now if I am not going to ever get to use them.
    Unfortunately even if SS is not removed, you may not get anything after all those decades of money you put in. Serious reform on the entitlements and how they are administered and what purpose is going to have to take place and I just don't feel we have any politicians that have what it takes to lead the way.

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  • -Erik-
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    Originally posted by BigPat View Post
    Are you mistaking this for a forum where you might expect to have a reasoned and intelligent discussion?
    Doesn't Paul Ryan's plan just flat out remove Social Security and Medicare? If so I want to stop paying for those things right now if I am not going to ever get to use them.

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  • BigPat
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    Originally posted by -Erik- View Post
    Can you explain what is wrong with his plan specifically?
    Are you mistaking this for a forum where you might expect to have a reasoned and intelligent discussion?

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  • -Erik-
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    Can you explain what is wrong with his plan specifically?

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  • retired
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    Originally posted by 1042 Trooper View Post
    Well, at least that's what he called it. Motivated only by his poll numbers and not giving an honest damn about the U.S., he "revised" his budget vision yesterday.

    What it was was a re-election speech chock full of lies, half-truths, deception and vitriol.

    The more he changes, the more he stays the same.

    What a loser. What a pathetic, ego-driven beginner we have as our president.

    Work against him. Spead the word. With the ill-informed and ignorant voters out there, he could still win. Then we're REALLY screwed.
    Can you take some time and tell how you feel about Obama?

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