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  • #31
    Originally posted by That Guy View Post

    That's because of semi-treehuggers like myself don't mind if tax money is used to fund creative thinking and other points of views. Willing to bet that if the gov't funded hunting most wouldn't ask those to be axed. Oh wait the USDA gave 8 million to fund more public access to hunting/fishing areas.....Stop funding for NPR? Sure NEA? I have no problems giving them some of my money.
    We should be cutting the postal service in half, stop giving States highways funds for local projects,cut defense spending for needless projects (Joint fighter anyone?)taxing some business and churches?
    No one wants a program they benefit from or enjoy to be cut. And be weary becasue everyone likes to jump Alaska's $**** because of the amount of federal money being sent here.........
    I'm not against creative thinking by any means. I'm just not sure the government needs to fund it.

    I think the key is to quit focusing, as a country, on what benefits we might get from the government and start looking at what we really need the government to do to keep the country running and out of further debt. If we can manage that, which I doubt, then maybe we can worry about NEA and NPR and Joint Strike Fighters, or "green" fighters, or whatever else. It's long been a mystery to me why our government has to spend billions on space exploration, or finding out if Mars used to have water on it. There are more pressing matters.
    "All that is, ever
    Ever was, will be, ever
    Twisting, turning, through the never."--Metallica

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    • #32
      I don't understand the argument that it's just a small percent of the budget. We have an astronomically high budget! That's like spending many times more than you make and saying your art purchases are only a small part and won't help your budget anyway. We need to quit thinking that we deserve luxuries when we are borrowing our expenses.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by jasperst View Post
        i don't understand the argument that it's just a small percent of the budget. We have an astronomically high budget! That's like spending many times more than you make and saying your art purchases are only a small part and won't help your budget anyway. We need to quit thinking that we deserve luxuries when we are borrowing our expenses.
        ding ding ding!
        Pete Malloy, "The only thing black and white about this job is the car."

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Bearcat357 View Post
          Just google some of the "art" that the NEA has supported with my/your tax bucks.....

          One of them is called "Pi ssing on Christ".....
          Imagine if they had supported a similar work but with "Mohammed" in place of "Christ."
          Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
          Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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          • #35
            Originally posted by JasperST View Post
            I don't understand the argument that it's just a small percent of the budget.
            OK, let me explain it another way: Your on a sinking ship and that boat has THREE holes in the hull (medicaid, medicare, social security) each of those three holes are very large and water is rushing in at a rate of 1,000 gallons a minute at each of the holes. Combined the those three holes are letting in 3,000 gallons of water a minute. With me so far? As you survey the damage to the hull you observe 100 more smaller holes in the hull (the remaining federal budget); each of those holes are letting in 10 gallons of water a minute for a total of 1,000 gallons of water a minute.

            Which of the 303 holes do you start patching up first? That's kinda like our federal budget. While we need to reign in control on federal budget because if we don't this country will sink. But it's the big three (medicaid, medicare, social security) that will sink us first.

            Right now Congress is putting a big show with "balancing the budget"; they are trying to patch those 100 small holes in our sinking ship all the time ignoring the big three and the scary part is even if congress does balance the budget we will still sink because they didn't address medicaid, medicare, social security because those are not budgetary items.

            Originally posted by JasperST View Post
            We have an astronomically high budget! That's like spending many times more than you make and saying your art purchases are only a small part and won't help your budget anyway. We need to quit thinking that we deserve luxuries when we are borrowing our expenses.
            You are correct, my point is that we need to stop kidding ourselves and by pointing the finger at only part of the problem while ignoring the big problem.

            Once I had a person tell me that the war on terror was the cause for our financial woes, and this was their reason why the war was bad. OK, according to the CBO we have spent an estimated 1 trillion dollars on the war on terror since 2001. Yep, that's a lot of money! Now, how much do we spend on medicare, medicaid and social security? Do you know? in 2010 we spent 1.4 TRILLION dollars on medicare, medicaid and social security! That's right, we spent more in ONE YEAR on medicare, medicaid and social security that an ENTIRE DECADE OF WAR!

            You need to understand that the ENTIRE federal budget is broken up into two groups: mandatory spending (medicare, medicaid, social security and interest on the national debt) and Discretionary spending (Department of Defense, Department of Homeland Security, etc....everything else). The mandatory spending is what is killing this country. If we don't get that under control there is no point in trying to get discretionary spending under control because it won't matter, we will be bankrupt.

            Right now Congress is making a big show in trying to balance the budget, but they are only trying to balance discretionary spending. While that is important they are ignoring medicare, medicaid, social security. If they don't reform spending on those three items we will be bankrupt. Bankrupt! That sounds scary (it is) but what if we just took all the money from the rich....let's say anyone who has a net worth of 1 million or more and we used that to pay down the debt. Sounds like stealing to me but hey, this is an emergency right? Even if we did steal all that money it would add up to 1.3 trillion dollars....just enough to pay for ONE YEAR of medicare, medicaid, social security!

            If you haven't figured it out by now I am not a fan of medicare, medicaid, social security they are socialistic programs that are destroying our nation. These are just ponzi schemes and the house of cards is about to fall.

            I understand the argument that the government has entered into a social contract with america on these programs and since we have paid into them we deserve to get something out of them. I understand. The same argument was made by the investors that got duped by Bernie Madoff.

            Don't kid yourselves medicare, medicaid, social security will go away...the question is when? Before or after a financial collapse?

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            • #36
              I see funding NPR and the NEA as issues that deal primarily with the proper role of government. Not only are they not basic government functions, but they provide an opportunity for the government to further particular viewpoints.
              Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
              Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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              • #37
                I agree that we have to face up to the liabilities of our entitlement programs. Nonetheless, if people won't tolerate cuts in inessential programs, how are you going to convince them to stomach the larger cuts? The U.S. is going the way of Greece.
                Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by DAL View Post
                  I agree that we have to face up to the liabilities of our entitlement programs. Nonetheless, if people won't tolerate cuts in inessential programs, how are you going to convince them to stomach the larger cuts? The U.S. is going the way of Greece.
                  They don't have a choice. Either we will deal with the problem now when there is still a chance to salvage something out of the programs. Or we wait until the bitter end and the programs snuff themselves out in their massive debt.

                  Either way the programs won't pay out what they have been promised to do.

                  I agree we are heading down the same path that Greece did, unfortunately our calamity will be much worse because of our influence on the world market. Compare the GNP of Greece to the GNP of California....see how little impact Greece has? And look what happened to the world market during Greece's financial collapse. Now imagine what will happen to the world market when the America's financial system collapses.

                  Have no doubt that unless we change our course (spend less and pay down our debt) our financial system WILL collapse.

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                  • #39
                    I expect the American public to act like the Greeks: Do not face the crisis until our credit is cut off, and then riot. We have been conditioned to believe that money will magically appear. We base our spending decisions on what we think we "need" rather than on what we can afford.
                    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                    Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by DAL View Post
                      Imagine if they had supported a similar work but with "Mohammed" in place of "Christ."
                      Yeah, I could see the sh**storm that would cause.




                      "Artist and NEA Threatened to be Beheaded due to Inappropriate Art."

                      Washington Post

                      Government officials approached by Muslim groups are appalled by the recent "artwork" produced by Yankee Go Homely and are considering the defunding of NEA if "changes" aren't met.
                      Last edited by OneAdam12; 03-18-2011, 01:51 PM.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Bearcat357 View Post
                        Just google some of the "art" that the NEA has supported with my/your tax bucks.....

                        One of them is called "Pi ssing on Christ".....
                        The NEA provides funding to artists and art groups.
                        But its largely decentralized through state agencies
                        And the NEA doesn't have a panel that approves what artists will ultimately do with that funding

                        They provide funds, and artists then pursue their particular endeavors

                        Can't blame the NEA for an individual's poor taste

                        If the USDA provides farm subsidies, and some unscrupulous farmer decides to grow pot instead of corn,
                        You can't blame the USDA for "trying to promote a pot growing agenda"

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by DAL View Post
                          I expect the American public to act like the Greeks: Do not face the crisis until our credit is cut off, and then riot. We have been conditioned to believe that money will magically appear. We base our spending decisions on what we think we "need" rather than on what we can afford.
                          +1. As I said in another thread, the events of the past month have convinced me that the American people will not tolerate any cuts to programs that they feel are "important". Since every program is held dear by different groups, and Congress lacks the guts to take a stand, nothing will substantive will get cut.
                          Originally posted by kontemplerande
                          Without Germany, you would not have won World War 2.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by dlo View Post
                            If the USDA provides farm subsidies, and some unscrupulous farmer decides to grow pot instead of corn,
                            You can't blame the USDA for "trying to promote a pot growing agenda"
                            Except that the USDA maintains a certain level of control and accountability over the farmers that receive the subsidies. The NEA does not....
                            Originally posted by kontemplerande
                            Without Germany, you would not have won World War 2.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by dlo View Post
                              The NEA provides funding to artists and art groups.
                              But its largely decentralized through state agencies
                              And the NEA doesn't have a panel that approves what artists will ultimately do with that funding

                              They provide funds, and artists then pursue their particular endeavors

                              Can't blame the NEA for an individual's poor taste
                              Correct me if I'm wrong. You are saying that a federal agency that distributes taxpayers dollars without any oversight is a good thing and that agency shouldn't be accountable if the outcome of that unregulated distribution is contrary to the will of the people the agency shouldn't be held responsible. While the NEA panel does not exercise prior approval of an individual work the do make value judgements of individual artists. More often than not the NEA panel makes those value judgements based on the political statements that the artists have made with their previous works.
                              When Society makes war on its police, it better be prepared to make friends of its criminals.

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                              • #45
                                I think the arguments that the budgets of NPR, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and the NEA are an attempt to deflect this discussion from the real issue. I would ask the defenders of these expenditures to explain why the government should be in the business of attempting to influence public opinion on political issues? Before you respond consider this; Would your opinion be the same if those public funds were pushing an agenda that you didn't agree with. I personally object to public funding that promotes any political agenda whether from the right or the left. I also fail to see how government support for a political point of view is any different than government support of religion. If the 1st Ammendment prohibits one it should prohibit the other.
                                When Society makes war on its police, it better be prepared to make friends of its criminals.

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