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  • British PM says multiculturalism has failed

    5 February 2011 Last updated at 09:24 ET

    David Cameron has criticised "state multiculturalism" in his first speech as prime minister on radicalisation and the causes of terrorism.

    At a security conference in Munich, he argued the UK needed a stronger national identity to prevent people turning to all kinds of extremism.

    He also signalled a tougher stance on groups promoting Islamist extremism.

    The speech angered some Muslim groups, while others queried its timing amid an English Defence League rally in the UK.

    As Mr Cameron outlined his vision, he suggested there would be greater scrutiny of some Muslim groups which get public money but do little to tackle extremism.

    Ministers should refuse to share platforms or engage with such groups, which should be denied access to public funds and barred from spreading their message in universities and prisons, he argued.

    "Frankly, we need a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism," the prime minister said.
    Human rights

    "Let's properly judge these organisations: Do they believe in universal human rights - including for women and people of other faiths? Do they believe in equality of all before the law? Do they believe in democracy and the right of people to elect their own government? Do they encourage integration or separatism?

    "These are the sorts of questions we need to ask. Fail these tests and the presumption should be not to engage with organisations," he added.

    More: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12371994
    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
    Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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    But the real question is did Britain go so far down the multicultural road that they can't repair the damage?
    "Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince" - Unknown Author
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    • #3
      Western Europe in general seems to be waking up to the problem that the values of the Islamic immigrants are inconsistent with modern Western values. The same is happening in Germany, France and Holland.
      Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
      Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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      • #4
        Didn't Germany say the same thing?...Seems like their problem is radical Islam, not multicultralism...
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Southflaguy View Post
          Didn't Germany say the same thing?...Seems like their problem is radical Islam, not multicultralism...
          Nope, they were decrying multicultralism as well. It was the ever growing expansion of Islam that sparked the remarks, but Merkel was broader in her statement.

          Multiculturalism in Germany has "absolutely failed," German Chancellor Angela Merkel told her party's youth wing at a conference Saturday.
          "The approach of saying, 'Well, let's just go for a multicultural society, let's coexist and enjoy each other,' this very approach has failed, absolutely failed," she said in a speech.


          The remarks echo a comment she made to CNN last month in response to a question from Becky Anderson about Germany's Muslim population.


          "We've all understood now that immigrants are a part of our country, (but) they have to speak our language, they have receive an education here," Merkel told CNN's "Connect the World" program September 27.



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          Germany's population is about 5 percent Muslim, the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life estimated last year. Its roughly 4 million Muslims make up the largest Muslim population in western Europe.

          http://articles.cnn.com/2010-10-17/w...im?_s=PM:WORLD


          Once again, we're heading down a road that everyone else is running back towards us on....
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          • #6
            Originally posted by SRT936 View Post

            Once again, we're heading down a road that everyone else is running back towards us on....
            Too true. But the American progressive elite are uber smart, just ask them.. They believe they can make it work and nothing will go wrong.
            "Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince" - Unknown Author
            ______________________________________________

            "That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves." - Thomas Jefferson
            ______________________________________________

            “There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.” - John Adams

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            • #7
              Originally posted by FNA209 View Post
              Too true. But the American progressive elite are uber smart, just ask them.. They believe they can make it work and nothing will go wrong.
              Muslims in America are (mostly) different than the Muslims in Europe. Ours are generally more educated, more affluent, and more moderate. So, we can't really compare ourselves to Europe.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by zr5667 View Post
                Muslims in America are (mostly) different than the Muslims in Europe. Ours are generally more educated, more affluent, and more moderate. So, we can't really compare ourselves to Europe.
                hahahahahahaha.....wow, I can't tell if you're joking around or are intentionally trying to get a response from someone. If you truly believe this then I feel sorry for you, because you are as blind as the liberal europeans about 20 years ago.

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                • #9
                  Good for the British PM, I just hope it isn't too little, too late.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by beachcop05 View Post
                    hahahahahahaha.....wow, I can't tell if you're joking around or are intentionally trying to get a response from someone. If you truly believe this then I feel sorry for you, because you are as blind as the liberal europeans about 20 years ago.
                    http://pewresearch.org/pubs/483/muslim-americans

                    It's perfectly alright to be wrong, Beachcop5... It tends to happen often with those who disagree with me.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by zr5667 View Post
                      Muslims in America are (mostly) different than the Muslims in Europe. Ours are generally more educated, more affluent, and more moderate. So, we can't really compare ourselves to Europe.
                      To some extent, I believe you may be right. At least in the areas of the country that are integrated. But there are some enclaves of Muslims in the US where it appears they are perfectly happy installing their culture from their old home. They don't seem to want to integrate.

                      The problems in Europe isn't just about the Muslims. I remember back in the late 70s and early 80s, Germany was taking in a lot of cheap labor from other countries and they spoke of the same problems- the failure of the new immigrants to embrace the norms of the new country.

                      So too here. We have a lot of Hispanic folks who don't exactly want to adapt to their new home. Sure, they are perfectly happy reaping the rewards this country has, but they will never be Americans in any sense of the word.
                      Last edited by FNA209; 02-06-2011, 06:48 AM.
                      "Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince" - Unknown Author
                      ______________________________________________

                      "That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves." - Thomas Jefferson
                      ______________________________________________

                      “There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.” - John Adams

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by zr5667 View Post
                        http://pewresearch.org/pubs/483/muslim-americans

                        It's perfectly alright to be wrong, Beachcop5... It tends to happen often with those who disagree with me.
                        You do not seem to understand the culture. It is not a culture of integration with other cultures. The Koran does not say to integrate. Go live in a Muslim country for two months, get a different perspective.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by FNA209 View Post
                          But the real question is did Britain go so far down the multicultural road that they can't repair the damage?
                          I'm sure the Angles, the Saxons, the Celts, the Normans, the Picts, the Scots, and Welsh have all asked this question. (If I forgot your tribe, I apologize.)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by zr5667 View Post
                            Muslims in America are (mostly) different than the Muslims in Europe. Ours are generally more educated, more affluent, and more moderate. So, we can't really compare ourselves to Europe.
                            Sure, those types of Muslim people exist. Probably in Europe, too. But it only took 19 rag-headed goat-boners to drag down the WTC on their second try. We import so many so-called students who are NOT well educated, affluent, and moderate. They overstay their welcome and maintain their hard core beliefs and grow in number.
                            "You're never fully dressed without a smile."

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                            Three things I know for sure: (1) No bad deed goes unrewarded, (2) No good deed goes unpunished, and (3) It is entirely possible to push the most devoted, loyal and caring person beyond the point where they no longer give a 5h!t.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by FNA209 View Post
                              But there are some enclaves of Muslims in the US where it appears they are perfectly happy installing their culture from their old home. They don't seem to want to integrate.
                              Make a quick stop in Dearborn, MI sometime.....
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